140 hp on 22c

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cbull

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I will be replacing my honda 90 soon. Seems that I seen a photo of a 22 with a 140 on it at some time. Does anyone know the boat name. I seen it on the site about a year ago.
 
The boat is rated at 115HP. I wouldn't put more than that on it unless you like lawsuits and are willing to self insure it. An insurance company wouldn't take kindly to what you propose... :shock:
Charlie
 
While the 140 Suzuki weighs what the 115 does, I would advise against putting it on a 22C.

The boat is not designed for that kind of power. The 22 Center Console was rated for 150, but it had a full stringer system.
 
To answer your question I think it will probably take it just fine. I have seen transoms build less sturdy rated for far more. I have an old bayliner trihull at my folks home that basically has a piece of plywood encased with some fiberglass that is rated for 150 hp. It has had a 130 V4 Evinrude on it for ages. There have been no problems because of the motor. Yet, I think are bigger reasons to not do it than there is in worrying about the structure.

For example, the CD 22 is pretty hard to control going over 30 mph and even feels somewhat unsafe in my opinion going that fast. I imagine the 140 would make it scoot into the upper 30s and maybe even 40 with a light load. I can't even imagine how busy you'd be trying to keep her running straight as most of the boat would be out of the water at that speed. I can imagine the chine walking that seems to start at about 28-30 mph would becom more apparent at higher speeds when dealing with crossing wakes and winds. You may very well lose control of her at those speeds and even broach. I know I don't want to find out and I don't really want to read about it happening to you either.

I run my boat on the ocean most of the time and wonder when in the heck it would be smooth enough for that kind of speed as a good deal of the time I am dealing with 4 foot chop and swell and just plugging along through it all. With more power I am not going to go any faster in the conditions that I face 90 percent of the time as I am not in the market for a kidney transplant and back surgery (lol)....

Lots of folks have brought up insurance, the fact the boat was not designed for that kind of power, and there are other reasons too that others will surely note sooner rather than later. Let's face it, the CD 22 is not a speed boat and it doesn't have the hull design for it. Save the extra money the 140 costs and buy yourself some cool electronics or some fishing gear. You'll be glad you did :)

Just my two cents that I offered for completely free. Later :wink

Tim
 
What's the point? The Honda BF90D on our boat does very well even with very heavy loads (think 6 people, 2 Golden Retrievers, and gear for a weekend at the cabin). Of course, this is at sea level, but I think a 115 Suzuki would be adequate for operation at higher altitudes. A 140 is more than a lot of people have on 25's...
 
A 140 or more is what a lot of people on a 25 should have. Did you see that motor on a 22 c-dory or a 23 cape cruiser. the cape cruiser at the gathering this weekend had a 150 on the back. There is enough difference in the hull design and weight to make it a good choice. I would like more horse power but would like less weight on the transom. a e-tec would be a good choice or even a FI honda 90, which is ligther and has more power. I say get as much for the lest weight that you can.
 
In addition to the issue of possibly not being able to insure a boat that is powered over the posted rating, there's another problem with too much H.P. on a 22. The hull is fairly flat and at speeds above about 30MPH, the handling gets squirrelly. So over power if you wish but if you can't get insurance and don't like the way the boat handles at full throttle, you heard here in advance.
 
rogerbum":25dc4bh3 said:
In addition to the issue of possibly not being able to insure a boat that is powered over the posted rating, there's another problem with too much H.P. on a 22. The hull is fairly flat and at speeds above about 30MPH, the handling gets squirrelly. So over power if you wish but if you can't get insurance and don't like the way the boat handles at full throttle, you heard here in advance.
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I second that one! And the "squirrelly" handling is likely due to the fact that the only left in the water are the screws.....
 
my 2004 rating is 90hp. I think in 2008 it went to 115. Some have said the factory will send a new sticker upon request. Maybe. maybe not. I am not thinking about the 140 for speed only. a lot to do with more torque, hole shot and ability to run lower rpm on plane. The speed would be nice if needed. My 90 pushes 30mph just as stable as could be. 40mph would be no problem in my opinion with the trim tabs adjusted correctly. I could be wrong. I have owned boats in the 80mph range. Knowing how far to bow up at speed is key. My dory does best with water at rear window motor tilted 3-5 degrees and tabs down 1". I will most likly go with the 115. Still a problem if no sticker is available. I could be wrong on this also but I do not think a cd22 is even required to have hp/cap rating sticker.
 
Looking at the other end of the HP spectrum, has anyone ever found 80 hp to be not enough? Is there a compelling reason to go to 90, 100, 115?

Warren
 
cbull":3c9b0g25 said:
You need more hp to chase down them #$%^ snow birds to throw a egg at them after throwing 5 footers at the dock.
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I'll help with the gas if I can ride and throw too! :lol:

It ain't just the snowbirds either...we have a HUGE "No Wake" sign at the campground...even idiot campground residents pay it no mind. Jet skis are the worst offenders.
 
For additional hole shot and torque look at Evinrude E-Tec. 2 Stroke engines ahve more torque from having power stroke every revolution. They are also lighter; 40 pounds lighter than the Suzuki.
 
In this thread in 2007 - Thataway Bob posted "My experience with the CD 22 (I have not owned a 25, yet)--is that 30 is about the desirable top speed--they get a little skitterish above that speed and with 90 hp our 22 would get into the low 30's even loaded for cruising. "

You might want to get his opinion about 140hp on a 22.

Also, here's a thread in 2004 that also discusses putting a lot of HP on a 22CD. RedFox does have a 140HP engine on his but his boat is heavily loaded and has the older style "classic" hull. He's also just a little different than most folks so his recommendations may or may not apply to all.
 
I konw red had a bigger outboard on his boat and it held up just fine under tough usage. It is not the holding up I would worry about, but more in how the boat handles.
 
I doubt that the weight of the 140 (depending on brand= how much weight) on the transom would be an issue--or the strength of the transom.
My concern would be handling of the boat--as noted the C Dory is not a speed boat--and our 22 did get a bit squirlley over 30 mph. I would not opt for a 140. The 25 is OK with 130--and that is a much heavier and a bit beamier boat.
 
thataway":3eh7z5yq said:
...Iand our 22 did get a bit squirlley over 30 mph. ..
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That's putting it mildly. With the 115 I was able to get mine to 32 one time. Dang near lost it. Never again will I ever get it over 30. 28 is about the most I feel is safe. Even then it has to glass slick.
 
My boat is a 2007 CD22. At that time the boat was rated for 100hp. I asked the factory about putting a Suzuki DF115 on mine and they said they could and would leave off the placard. They said that boats over 20 feet are not required to have the placard. I checked with my insurance company and they didn't have a problem. I put the 115 on mine for altitude. I thought I might see lower rpms and more fuel economy in the midrange. That did not happen. The only place I see a difference is on the top end at high altitude. 28 mph is the fastest the boat has gone. I probably could beat that if I would throw away some of the gear I drag around with me. I have never ran at sea level at WOT.
 
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