cd 25 masimum gross weight ?

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ajens

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We have just purchased a 2006 cd 25 and have been reading the boat owners manual.
According to the manual maximum gross weight is 4500 lbs and "normal" running weight is 3800 lbs.

The hull dry weight is 3602 lbs now if you add a 135HP outboard at 550 lbs and fuel at 640 lbs plus water of 200 lbs I am at 4992 lbs and no one is on the boat yet! What am I missing?

By the way I just came from the scale and boat and trailer weight is 6500 Lbs
 
Lori Ann":3fjn4n92 said:
So is it true that the warranty has been reduced from the industry-standard 5 years to 2 years?
Warren
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Hi Warren..........Not True........on 9/7/07 Scot Reynolds posted on the thread entitled "Reduction of C-Dory Warranties" the following "the hull warranty remains at 5 years and is not being changed".
 
The "Factory" addressed this warranty thing over a week ago on one of these threads, and assured us everything was still 5 years.

Many times when reading through this stuff and in response's to some of my own post, I see where someone responded with out clear understanding of the topic. I have to assume this was the case here which resulted in an unfounded rumor flying.

If you try to, you can make a lot out of that weight thing with it looking like your real close to the upper limit. Once I realized my King Trailer has 3500 lb axels; times 2 = 7,000 lb, I quit worrying about the rating! I believe the trailer rating on mine is 5400lb but like I said those axels are heavier. If I remember correctly from earlier research they use that same axel up through the 6000 lb models.

I don't believe anyone worries about stupid stuff more than me, but I have real peace about the trailer after having pulled it over 3000 miles over Alaskan frost heaved roads during the last 2 seasons. I did service the wheel bearings this year which only required new seals and grease after cleaning everything up.

Mike
 
ajens":27jbrh9m said:
We have just purchased a 2006 cd 25 and have been reading the boat owners manual.
According to the manual maximum gross weight is 4500 lbs and "normal" running weight is 3800 lbs.

The hull dry weight is 3602 lbs now if you add a 135HP outboard at 550 lbs and fuel at 640 lbs plus water of 200 lbs I am at 4992 lbs and no one is on the boat yet! What am I missing?

By the way I just came from the scale and boat and trailer weight is 6500 Lbs
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You can overload the shit out of your C-Dory like the rest of us do and never suffer any ill effects. Other than droping down 1 size in prop pitch :mrgreen: :beer Had the new boat over to lake poinsett yet. My Dad & his wife live on the lake she works in Brookings.(small world) Welcome to the C-Dory world!!
 
Alasgun":2iwgbt9r said:
The "Factory" addressed this warranty thing over a week ago on one of these threads, and assured us everything was still 5 years.

Many times when reading through this stuff and in response's to some of my own post, I see where someone responded with out clear understanding of the topic. I have to assume this was the case here which resulted in an unfounded rumor flying.
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Mike
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The text of the warranty has changed dramatically. I have copies of the "new" warranty placed on the website two weeks ago and the old warranty. Take a look at page 65 on the new Tomcat manual. Find anything interesting? Very discouraging...

We all know there is a difference between the written warranty (designed to give C-Dory a legal means of denying ALL coverage if you read it closely including gel coat, dry rot, wet rot, and condensation damage), and the warranty coverage in practice. I find it discouraging they will not put in writing a warranty that matches their reputation for warranty coverage. I'm personally very discouraged and hope my experience matches those of long time owners should I require a warranty repair...
 
Well, to answer the original question, the factory has established a maximum gross weight that is as described: empty of any payload: passengers, fishing or cruising gear, and anything else.

Now as to why they did it is open to question. It certainly isn't because the boat isn't capable of hauling more, as I certainly run Journey On at between 5500 and 6000 #. So maybe it's for liability? Who knows?

Anyway, the C-25 is capable of floating anything you can get on it, without being overweight. The performance and/or gas mileage will certainly suffer at the top weight, but it doesn't become unstable or tend to sink.

Boris
 
I personally would not accept a vessel without written assurance that it is capable of operating safely as advertised. If the max engine size, full fuel, and full water is over capacity before adding any passengers or gear...something is terribly wrong. Either they are over-rated or there is a mistake in the documentation. I believe it's the latter...but they are responsible for their information.
 
Well, regarding the Tomcat 255, the owners manual lists the following weights:

Hull (no engines) 6000 #
Full tank of fuel 900 #
Tank of water 250 #

Max Weight 8000 #

Add 2 ea Honda 150s @ 450 # ea, for a total of 8050 # and the Tomcat has the same problem that the C-25 has.

The factory certainly is consistent: their max weight doesn't allow crew or gear.

Boris
 
The concensus seems to be that we can load well beyond the 4500# because the manual seems to be ultra conservative and no one has reported a problem with overloading.
By the way - anyone going to be in the Florida Keys for the winter months? We will be at Mangrove Marina in Tavernier at that time. Anybody heading over to the Bahamas?
 
I believe the recently distributed max capacity is wrong for the C-25. Thankfully the printed capacity for the Tomcat in the new manual was wrong (I verified this with the company).

Considering insurance and legal liability should an accident occur, I would get something in writing.

I suspect they will eventually update the information on the website as well.
 
matt_unique":cgttg2wf said:
Considering insurance and legal liability should an accident occur, I would get something in writing.
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This is NOT directed at you personally, Matt, but I've heard folks talk about legal and insurance liability regarding overweight conditions for decades, especially in the RV forums and not once in over 30 years have I ever heard of a suit or could anyone send me a cite on such an action involving a recreational boat or vehicle. Like the thread about water condensation in fuel tanks, I'm beginning to believe it's a myth or an urban legend.

That's not to say it doesn't happen, and it does happen in the commercial carrier world, but I have a feeling that if any cases involving recreational boat or RV weight issues could be cited they would involve grossly overloading a boat with people or a blatant RV overload like trying to tow a 35 foot travel trailer with a Yugo in Colorado....

Don
 
Sneaks":1umwist3 said:
This is NOT directed at you personally, Matt, but I've heard folks talk about legal and insurance liability regarding overweight conditions for decades, especially in the RV forums and not once in over 30 years have I ever heard of a suit or could anyone send me a cite on such an action involving a recreational boat or vehicle. Like the thread about water condensation in fuel tanks, I'm beginning to believe it's a myth or an urban legend.

That's not to say it doesn't happen, and it does happen in the commercial carrier world, but I have a feeling that if any cases involving recreational boat or RV weight issues could be cited they would involve grossly overloading a boat with people or a blatant RV overload like trying to tow a 35 foot travel trailer with a Yugo in Colorado....

Don
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I'm sure you're quite right Don.

My thinking is to address as many contingencies as possible. I would hate to have some issue arise and present someone (or an insurance company or an attorney, etc.) with an opportunity to say "the owner was negligent because he overloaded the boat" or something like that. Probably an over kill of contingency planning. I personally would not get in a boat that was overloaded, per the factory safe operating limits, for safety concerns if nothing else. Again, we all know they are not overloaded with normal passengers, gear, fuel, etc. but we would have no way of knowing that based on the recent user manuals. I hope they just update them with the correct information and put this to bed.
 
I say we address the real issues and forget about all the Chicken Little issues “The Sky is falling” or some other possible far off issue that may some day happen if the sum and moon are in alignment with mars and a cow sits on a mushroom.

The theories and possibilities are endless. Why even discuss the one chance in ten million when there’s more important issues.
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oldgrowth":29moc7bj said:
I say we address the real issues and forget about all the Chicken Little issues “The Sky is falling” or some other possible far off issue that may some day happen if the sum and moon are in alignment with mars and a cow sits on a mushroom.

The theories and possibilities are endless. Why even discuss the one chance in ten million when there’s more important issues.
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I would rather be talking about trim and electronics too! For a brand new customer like me, I was not about to sit still after reading a new manual that said the boat was overweighted and the warranty was cut in half. That is a big deal for someone who just purchased a boat. You have the reassurance of a history with your vessel and the company and I look forward to the same. I received the information I needed from the company.
 
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