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davehogue555

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I've been on the water for 50 years. There's been several boats, from a 14' outboard to, for the last 21 years, a 20' Kayot with a 260 hp Mercruiser but all have had a "pointable prop". I have just bought a 2005 Ranger R21 Classic with a 30hp Yanmar diesel and I have never operated a fixed screw and rudder boat ( with the exception of 6 years in the Submarine Service). Any recomendations as to books to read or old posts on this forum to read before I put it in the water? Thanks!

Dave
 
Since this site has been primary devoted to C-Dorys and since the C-Rangers are a bit new to the site, I doubt you'll find much in the way of relevant previous posts to answer your questions. There's some old salts here who can certainly help you out with specific questions. As for books, the old standard of Chapman Piloting:Seamanship and Small Boat Handling has extensive writing on how to handle all types of boats including single screw/rudder combo.
 
Congratulations on the C Ranger. I had the opportunity to one one for a few hours and they are very well behaved. If you get the thruster options, you can almost stand the boat on its head! Generally the thrust of the prop wash against the rudder is what kicks the stern around. In reverse the boat will "walk" one way--this is because the water is denser on the lower blade of the prop, than the top blade, thus it will kick the boat sideways. (I'll confess I am not posititive if the boat had right hand prop or not). Although the boat has a fair amount of windage, there is enough keel and boat in the water, that it does not blow around as easily as some of the outboard boats.

When backing the boat will start to one direction because of the prop walk effect, but you can either use a thruster, or put the rudder over the opposite way from the way the stern is turning and give a short burst ahead to swing the stern back to the direction you want. My experience was that the C Ranger 25 backed quite consistantly and was fairly easy to master. Good luck with the new boat--and welcome!

Get out and practice. In another post I mentioned putting a couple of fenders in the water, tide to a boat look, so they will keep a constant relationship to each other. Practice backing the boat, bringing the boat along side etc. First on a calm day, then when there is a little wind.


Boat docking (Close quarter maneuvering) by Charles T. Low is an escellent book on maneuvering both single and twin screw inboard boats.
 
Dave:

My first boat was a single screw 33-foot trawler. In addition to the book Bob has mentioned above, I found "Dockmanship" by David Owen Bell helpful.

There were also a couple of useful chapters in "Getting started in Powerboating" by Bob Armstrong (you can probably read through them while sitting at your local bookstore- with your experience, its probably not worth buying the book).

Some things I learned as a new boater driving a single screw diesel (this is probably all old stuff for you):

I learned to use the wind and current as my friends...The flag on my boat was more than just a decoration...

I did not have a bow or stern thruster... I learned to turn while backing by first lining up the boat at the correct angle using a slight burst in forward gear, then backing the boat...(single screw power boats generally back like a brick)...

I learned to use spring lines a LOT when docking or coming alongside, and I learned to back out using a bow line when the wind was unfavorable (first go forward with the wheel turned towards the dock and a fender in place, then straighten the wheel and back off...). The C Ranger 21 is probably much easier to just push from the dock using hand-power, but is pleasing to see a single screw boat manuver gracefully!

I learned to walk to the stern and see good "water" coming from the exhaust as soon as I started the engine...

I also always added biocide to the diesel...some owner 10 years from now will thank you for having less sludge in the bottom of the tank.

The R-21 is a beautiful boat. Have a great time!
 
The Ranger 21 is a great handling boat. Large rudder well aft, and she turns on a dime. She will back either direction (not always true with a single screw), and very well balanced. Good choice.

Dusty
 
Thanks for the replies..........got several books on order now, can't wait to get her in the water. Think I'll also get some 10"X26" fenders, just in case!

Dave
 
Sawdust":35wsr09q said:
The Ranger 21 is a great handling boat. Large rudder well aft, and she turns on a dime. She will back either direction (not always true with a single screw), and very well balanced. Good choice.

Dusty

Dave, Dusty is right on (as usual). That Ranger 21 backs in either direction because of the big rudder. As you get a little sternway, the water action on the rudder has a greater effect than the prop does and it will swing the stern in either direction.

I know that first hand because when I was on my Guided Missile Destroyer in the early '80s (1980's for those of you who will say you didn't have engines on sailing vessels!!) we did it and to stop had to drop the anchor in the harbor next to the pier. Unfortunately, it was the wrong anchor and it was dropped ON the pier, right on top of a phone booth... :shock: :oops:

Fortunately I was not the OOD (Officer of the Deck) but I was the Chief Engineer and had to figure out how to get the anchor out of the phone booth and back into the water.... :disgust

Charlie
 
Captains Choice":3qd5oeve said:
I know that first hand because when I was on my Guided Missile Destroyer in the early '80s (1980's for those of you who will say you didn't have engines on sailing vessels!!) we did it and to stop had to drop the anchor in the harbor next to the pier. Unfortunately, it was the wrong anchor and it was dropped ON the pier, right on top of a phone booth... :shock: :oops: Charlie

Sea story time, Charlie - and Dave will definitely relate: After torpedo tests, our 425 ft. nuclear submarine approached the Christiansted, BWI pier unaided by tug or thrusters, with the skipper on the bridge and yours truly down below as diving officer. On final approach, someone in engineering accidentally shut the valve supplying hydraulics to the rudder. Fortunately the rudder was amidships but it made for a few pretty exciting moments and a chance for the skipper to demonstrate some pretty awesome seamanship.

For the non-submariners, you can get an idea of what it's like in a sub by putting a blindfold on while sitting at the C-Dory helm and having someone else talk you into a slip with rudder and engine control commands only. Try it some time....

Don
 
I started out on the diesel boats (SS303) in New London, Conn. and we routinely steamed up the Thames River and tied up to one of the piers at the Sub Base without the aid of tugs or anything else. The combination of river flow, tide and wind sometimes made it a challenge to twist the boat to line up with your assigned place and then get up next to the pier. I stood maneuvering watch helmsman watches and was one busy dude. I remember approaching the mouth of the Thames going home one time and the railroad drawbridge across the river had a derailed train on it...... couldn't open for us, so we flooded down till the deck was awash and went on in under it. A little off topic here but I can't resist sea stories!

Dave
 
Hey Dave congratulations on your new boat,

Your question is a good one. Far better to prepare for handling your new vessel ahead of time than through the expensive "school of hard knocks". One thing I would recommend is be generous with your fenders. Even the best boat drivers will have an occasional "oops". Far better to bounce off a good sized fender than your shiny new gelcoat. It always amuses me to see an expensive boat approaching with undersized Walmart fenders.

Although not a book, a resource that I have recommended for some of my students is the Stentec Motorboat Simulator for the PC.

http://www.stentec.com/motorboatsimulator_i/

It is a nice method to practice some of your dockside skills, especially during the too-long off seasons. They model inboard single and twin boats and even include bow thrusters. Just remember this software was developed in the Netherlands so "red, right, returning" does not apply.

Enjoy,

Chris
 
davehogue555":2ykqoxk5 said:
A little off topic here but I can't resist sea stories!
Dave

Hey, you started the thread and you're satisfied with the answers, so why not sit back and share a few.

SS303? I might have run into you down on Bank Street, Dave. :twisted: Kind of an old boat but not as old as my dad's. He's the big guy closest to the bow.

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...so why not sit back and share a few.

By all means, please. As much as I enjoy reading this stuff and seeing pics like Don's, it is a pretty safe bet that a bunch of us young fellers do. Too cool - thanks.
 
I ordered the download version of Motorboat Simulator. Had no idea how much 29,95 Euro was till this morning when the charge showed up......$41 US....not bad I guess.
 
Hey Dave, since this is apparently a European product, don't forget that many of them drive on the wrong sides of the road... :shock:

P.S. You're lucky on the Euro, without knowing how much it was, could have been a real surprise!! :roll:

Charlie
 
davehogue555":3dpr4xia said:
Now, that is an old boat! Any idea of the year that picture was made?

Probably taken in 1919, Dave. Pop was discharged off the USS N-3, hull number 55, in late 1919 as a Boatswain's mate second class, and he's a BM2 in the photo. I have several photos of the N-3 taken on the Thames and those boats routinely flooded down to pass under that same railroad bridge your boat flooded down to pass under. I don't know if their periscopes were as "retractable" as later boats.

Interestingly, the 147 ft. N-3 was built by the Seattle Construction & Drydock Co. as were many early submarines. Wonder what that morphed to eventually?

I also have photos (somewhere around here) of a boat of similar vintage that went aground off the Oregon/Washington coast. Pop's "sea story" was that they simply cut it apart, trucked it up to Seattle and put it back together again. True story, though I don't remember any info about it.
The photos I have are of the boat "ankle deep" in sand with lines leading ashore.

For credibility purposes I should mention that pop was 44 when he married my mother (who was only 2 years old when the earlier photo was taken) and "Jenny B" is alive and well, though not as spry as her contemporary, Dusty The Ancient Mariner.

Don
 
Sneaks":nvslcpmg said:
davehogue555":nvslcpmg said:
Interestingly, the 147 ft. N-3 was built by the Seattle Construction & Drydock Co. as were many early submarines. Wonder what that morphed to eventually?

Hey Don, it became Todd Shipyards that build LSDs and FFGs for me in the 80s and 90s.

Todd Shipyards Corporation was started in June 1916 with the backing of the three financiers: Bertron, Grecisms & Company; White, Weld & Company; and William H. Todd. The organization itself was a product of the incorporation of three established companies: Robins Dry Dock & Repair Company, Tietjen & Long Dry Dock Company, and the Seattle Construction & Dry Dock Company. The namesake of the company is the late William Henry Todd.

Charlie
 
Sneaks":2etxti9m said:
I also have photos (somewhere around here) of a boat of similar vintage that went aground off the Oregon/Washington coast. Pop's "sea story" was that they simply cut it apart, trucked it up to Seattle and put it back together again. True story, though I don't remember any info about it.
The photos I have are of the boat "ankle deep" in sand with lines leading ashore.

Don

Don, is this your boat? Couldn't find anything off oregon/washington.

Online Library of Selected Images:
-- EVENTS -- The 1910s -- 1916-1917
Stranding of USS H-3 and USS Milwaukee, and salvage of USS H-3, December 1916 - April 1917


On the morning of 14 December 1916 four U.S. Navy vessels were en route to visit the northern California city of Eureka. The three submarines, H-1, H-2 and H-3, and their tender, the monitor Cheyenne, had come down the West Coast in frequently foggy weather, and now had to negotiate heavy waves to enter the shelter of Humboldt Bay. With visibility limited from her low conning tower, H-3 misjudged her position and found herself in the surf off Samoa Beach, near the bay's entrance. Her one functioning diesel engine was not powerful enough to escape the breakers, and the submarine was soon aground broadside to the beach, rolling heavily.

With H-3's crew helpless in the pounding surf, and her companion ships unable to reach her from offshore, the local lifesaving crew began rescue operations. During the afternoon a Coast Guard surfboat was hauled overland and, after fighting its way out through the violent seas, was able carry a line to the stranded submarine. By early evening all of H-3's twenty-seven crewmen had been brought ashore by breeches buoy.

The problem of salvaging the stranded submarine was now addressed. The Navy tug Iroquois and Coast Guard cutter McCulloch joined Cheyenne in this effort. With great difficulty a heavy cable was run from the submarine out to the monitor, but this broke when Cheyenne and Iroquois tried to pull H-3 free on 19 December. With that, private contractors were called in. A salvage firm offered to do the work for $150,000, but this was deemed too costly. The only other bid, for only $18,000 from a local construction company which proposed to haul H-3 over Samoa Beach and relaunch her into Humboldt Bay, was dismissed as unrealistic. The Navy, though lacking salvage experience and specialized equipment, decided to pursue the task itself. The way was thus unwittingly established for an even greater disaster, whose story is related in the following pages.

This page features, and provides links to, all the views we concerning the stranding of USS H-3 (Submarine # 30), her salvage, and to the loss of USS Milwaukee (Cruiser # 21)

For pictures of the salvage of USS H-3 and the loss of USS Milwaukee, see:


USS H-3 salvage attempts, January 1917;

Stranding of USS Milwaukee, 13 January 1917;

Stranding of USS Milwaukee, 13 January 1917 -- Rescue of the ship's crew;

USS H-3 salvage efforts, February-March 1917; and

USS H-3 salvage efforts, April 1917.

The internet is a wonderful tool!
 
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