How does a C-Dory handle heavy weather

AJF

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We’re thinking of downsizing from our Motor Sailor to a 22’ C-Dory. I’ve seen allot of C-Dorys in our main cruising area (SE Alaska) over the years, but have never had a chance to talk to any owners about their experience in handling these boats in these waters.
What I’m interested in hearing from anyone is, how does the C-Dory handle heavy weather if you do end up getting caught out in it. Also what is it like for the crew on board in those kind of conditions.
 
There are plenty of photos of the C Dory 22 on the Columbia river bar in breaking conditions. If there is a chop--the boat can pound--you have to slow way down. We didn't have either trim tabs or a Permatrim and I wouold consider these almost essential if you are going to be out in heavy weath. On the C Dory 25, we had both trim tabs and Permatrims, and with heavy chop, you coult put the bow down, and make decent headway. But if you are in 5 foot steep seas, you will be down to 4 to 5 knots. We spent a month in SE AK this summer, and only had to slow down twice. One day, the larger trawlers like Ursa Minor was sitting the day out, we talked to the skipper of an 85 foot charter boat who also sat that day out. One other day, we had fished too long, and the wind came up on the nose--about 30 to 35 knots. We found a 60 foot trawler and tucked in behind his stern, and make 8 knots comfortably. The C Dory is not a deep V--and will not ride like one in heavy chop. But in down wind/seas, or beam seas, the boat rides like a cork.

Having spent over 80,000 miles in motor sailors (Cal 46, and a 62 foot Garden designed pilot house ketch), the C Dory is the small boat of choice for the "retired" motorsailor.
 
AJF.....

I just today passed through Whitehorse on our way to Az.
There are 3 or 4 new C-Dories on the south side of town past the airport.
Is it too late to get a try out in one in Kluane Lake on a rough day???
They do real well in rough water.
 
Hello AJF and welcome to the forum. There has been extensive discussion about the rough water capabilities of these boats which can be accessed with the search feature, but I expect that you will get more comments directly.

Of greater interest to me is your question about "what it is like for the crew on board in those kinds of conditions". This topic would make a fascinating psychological study and it merits some discussion here. My recommendation is to know your crew well before venturing out in a small boat like the C-Dory if you expect rough conditions. It is much more challenging psychologically than on a larger boat, and your passengers are more likely to experience anxiety and fear. Or perhaps they will be able to handle it just fine. The captain should know his passengers' prior boating experience and have a sense of their psychological make-up prior to going out. These boats will get tossed around more than a larger boat, and the noise level is much higher. The hulls are un-insulated and there is substantial water noise which can be disconcerting to passengers who have not experienced it before. It has often been said on this forum that these boats can handle more than the passengers can, and it will get you home if you pilot the boat properly. Any passengers on board need to be briefed ahead of time about the characteristics of these boats and they should be instilled with confidence in the boat's seaworthiness periodically while underway when rough conditions are encountered.
 
Jay makes a great point here - the fact that the boat can handle ugly stuff, but what happens in the boat when you do. The water noise is something you get used to, but it is really disconcerting at first... a completely different experience from a sailboat. Without knowing what motorsailor you have, I'll assume your helm is in the cockpit. When the weather/waves get ugly, you get wet. That was our experience on our sailboats, YMMV. You are further back in the boat, so the experience of going up a wave is different - you feel the pitch, but the view up ahead isn't all sky. :wink: In the C-Dory, you stay dry at the helm; out of the wet and cold or cooking in the sun. You sit much further forward, so you feel the pitch of the boat more, especially so with the boat being smaller. In bigger waves, you work the throttle and steering more than with your motorsailor. And then there's the sound of the water... similar to what you'd hear in the v-berth of your motorsailor while underway, except you hear it everywhere in the cabin of the C-Dory. It's not bad, just different. The first time you go through some "interesting" conditions, that sound becomes reassuring.

We kept a small sailboat the first two years of owning our C-Dory. I could still say I was a sailor. 8) We finally sold the catboat because it just sat. I'll admit this - I miss sailing. I miss pulling up that mainsail and feeling it fill with wind. I miss the different motion of a good performing sailboat. And the fact that you still have steerage, even with the motor in neutral. A few things I don't miss: the work of pulling up the mainsail. :wink: Handling the jib when tacking up a narrow channel. Being out in the weather at the helm... getting wet, cold, hot, sunburned. Not making much progress when working against tide and current. Not being able to get under bridges to see the interesting stuff on the other side.

There are trade-offs. The C-Dory is a lightweight boat compared to a motorsailor. The motion is different. The first time we got into ugly conditions and my wife asked, "Are we OK?" I had to answer, "I sure hope so." She doesn't ask that anymore... she knows the boat can handle the conditions and we don't go out looking for heavy weather. We have the speed to work around that in most situations. The light weight of the boat is also part of what makes it sea-worthy... it rides up and over following waves. In the first few months of ownership, you find yourself saying, "Well, that was different" a lot. The motion at anchor is different. Being able to beach the boat is different. Being able to pull the boat easily on and off a trailer so you can take this boat to the great cruising areas at the best times is different. Having a 360º view out the cabin windows is different. Firing up a quiet outboard and cruising along at 15 knots is different. Not having storage in cockpit lazarettes is different. Being able to anchor in 2 feet of water is different. Laughing at the rain while you sit in the dry cabin with the windshield wipers running is different.

I now get my sailing entertainment by sailing on OPB (other peoples' boats). Last month, we were cruisiing on the Trent-Severn Waterway. After transiting 9 locks in one day, we were both tired. 6 of those locks were the "historical" locks; smaller and more turbulent while going up. After handling those lines all day, Joan said to me, "My hands ache. It feels like I've been sailing all day." :wink: A very accurate description.

The only way to know if you will like the differences is to try it. See if you can snag a ride on one of these boats. Folks who have been on this forum for 5 years or more can attest to the angst I went through during my "discovery" stage of getting a C-Dory. I still refer to Wild Blue as a powercruiser with a sailing sensibility.

Good luck with your decisions. Feel free to ask questions here; this group is very open about all aspects of these boats.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
AJF,

Welcome to the sight. There are some good replys here so far, from some very experienced sailors, and C-Dory Skippers. This subject has been bounced around here and there are some good stories to be found. Try the search function and look for key words like Big AND water, or Heavy AND seas, Big AND waves, Pooped, Bow Steering for a start.

Here is a link to one of the threads:
http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... owing+seas

I think you won't be disappointed in the C-Dory experience.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
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