Offer accepted....any red flags.

Dene

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An offer was accepted for this 27', turn-key, bullet proof, diesel-sippin trailerable trawler. It was this or a new Ranger tug for twice the $$. We couldn't bear the thought of a brand new boat in charter, so we went with this boat, believing it to be more durable.

I appreciate all perspectives, especially since this forum represents the best in small boat cruising.

Here's the wessel.

http://tinyurl.com/4amkz7

-Greg
 
It looks nice Greg, especially for your needs of keeping it in Puget Sound and using it // chartering it the way you do. But I'll need an extended weekend inspection before I can venture any serious opinions.

Congratulations on that nice big salmon you caught. Bigger than any I got this summer! (The OR and WA game dept. are meeting tomorrow to decide if they want to re-open the Columbia for Chinook!).

CW
 
CW":33v8zyiz said:
It looks nice Greg, especially for your needs of keeping it in Puget Sound and using it // chartering it the way you do. But I'll need an extended weekend inspection before I can venture any serious opinions.

Congratulations on that nice big salmon you caught. Bigger than any I got this summer! (The OR and WA game dept. are meeting tomorrow to decide if they want to re-open the Columbia for Chinook!).

CW

Just name the weekend but your chocolate lab stays home. Sorry!

My salmon was only 15 lbs. My buddy's salmon was the whoppin 25 lbs. Funny thing, mine fought harder than his. Both were equally tasty.

Keeping fingers crossed about the extension of the season!

-Greg
 
Greg-

Nice looking and well equipped boat!

A great value for the money.

Proves the points that:

1. You don't have to buy a new boat to have a great new adventure in boating for yourself.

2. A carefully chosen used boat can be had at a very reasonable price. and,

3. If you feel comfortable working on boats, a good pre-owned one is not an intimidating undertaking, but rather can furnish some fun projects as needs for upkeep and repair develop.

Good Job, Greg! :teeth :thup
 
I am a huge fan of Sam Devlin, so I am envious. And this boat was in Anacortes? I missed it...

The one thing that puzzles me is that Sam builds all his boats (that I know of) using stitch-and-glue wood construction. The specs of the boat you bought say the hull is fiberglass.

Are you keeping the boat in Anacortes?

Warren
 
Doryman":jajtag34 said:
I am a huge fan of Sam Devlin, so I am envious. And this boat was in Anacortes? I missed it...

The one thing that puzzles me is that Sam builds all his boats (that I know of) using stitch-and-glue wood construction. The specs of the boat you bought say the hull is fiberglass.

Are you keeping the boat in Anacortes?

Warren

It's in Anacortes now and will be until I pilot it to Brownsville for winter moorage. Don't feel bad about missing it. The seller put it up for sale, then departed for a final trip to the San Juans. We encountered it last weekend near Friday Harbor.

It's definitely at stitch n glue with epoxy overlay wooden boat. The specs were wrong.

I barely heard of Devlin prior to this encounter. Why are you a fan?

-Greg

-Greg
 
Dene":3084y7pw said:
I barely heard of Devlin prior to this encounter. Why are you a fan?

I'm fascinated by the boatbuilding process and Sam's books and designs were among the first that I read. I have seen his boats at most of the wooden boat festivals in the area, and the quality is awesome. Plus Sam is an interesting guy to talk to. I guess you could call me a wannable boatbuilder but I know my limitations well enough to know that it would probably not end well for either the boat or for me if I were to take on that kind of a project. That said, I like Sam's Nancy's China.

I'm also a Bartender fan so even though I like Sam's designs I probably would get involved in doing a Bartender first. See them HERE.

Warren
 
Warren,

This is no coincidence; Devlin and the Bartender have a connection. At the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Festival (just concluded a week and a half a go), Sam was the major presenter to honor Bartender designer 97-year-old George Calkins at a small ceremony Friday morning. Turns out Sam grew up near the shop where Calkins designed and constructed many of his boats, and his family knew George and Wilma. Sam had constructed a really nice half-model of a 22-ft Bartender and placed it on a plaque honoring George as part of the event. WoodenBoat magazine gave George an Achievement Award at the same time. Here are a few shots of George, etc., taken that morning:

http://www.pbase.com/bartenderdave/gcalkawrd

Very touching, and certainly well-deserved. George is still very sharp, althogh his vision is very poor (macular degeneration). I fired up the engine on mine so he could at least hear a Bartender's throaty roar.

Several of Sam's designs were down the float from us; very salty boats.
 
Good used boats can be a good deal for both the buyer and current owners of any brand of boat. Check out some of the values being offered on this sight. Seems like C-Dory boats sell at a good value for both buyer and seller. That being said "I LOVE DEVELNS" buy that boat. A friend has a boat
which may be the same and he likes it.
john schuler
 
Dave, That is one beautiful boat. I too love most of Devlin's designs, and the Black Crown is certainly on of them. You got yourself a sweet boat.

Dave, Thanks for the information about Calkins at the Wooden Boat Festival in Port Townsend.

Robbi
 
Warren,

My suspicion is that the listing is inaccurate. You're correct in that Devlin is a stitch and glue builder, but he does cover the wood with glass/epoxy.

My favorite designs are the 29' Means of Grace cutter, and his 45' trawler. Last year or maybe the year before, Wooden Boat did a great story on Sam and some of his boats.

Steve
 
AstoriaDave":1mpcxd13 said:
At the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Festival (just concluded a week and a half a go), Sam was the major presenter to honor Bartender designer 97-year-old George Calkins at a small ceremony Friday morning.

I'm so pissed at myself. Was at the PT Wooden Boat show on Sunday, picked up a guide/catalog to read later. On the ferry back afterwards, I read all about the Calkins/Devlin/Childs/Bartender/etc stuff. And I missed it all! :cry

I'm going to go up to Bill Child's shop in Bellingham one of these days.

Warren
 
I am a long time fan of Devlin. I had contacted Sam Devlin in the early stages of having a custom motor sailer built. His price was very high--but of course reflected quality. Some of us saw his larger "Teal" at the Anacortes Show--a real jewel. We also saw her later in the summer underway. I have never heard of a problem with Devlin boats. The boat you are looking at is beautiful. It is a show piece---how will that work for you on the charter market. Also it is listed as sleeping two (I suspect that the settee can also sleep at least one. I also wonder about the shower, leg room at the helm and at the mate's seats?

However, I will play the devil's advocate. The boat is 21 years old. The engine has 1100 hours. The boat is plywood, with glass covering. There is a lot of teak to keep varnished. The boat costs over $70K--and in todays market you can get a lot of boat for 70K.--especailly in trawlers.

Plywood is strong--unless you damage the glass, and have water intrusion. There is the potential for rot--and you have to be careful to be sure that any hole which is drilled or any ding is immediately fixed. You want to be certain that only epoxy was used in this boat--not polyester.

I would want to spend a lot of time on the boat--take a nice long sea trial in some rough weather and have a very good hull and engine survey. A boat is something that you love. I would personally have a problem chartering out this boat--is that is your intent.

Don't let the emotions get in the way of a good business decision. You will be living with this boat for a long time, if your current plans go through. Again, I am being the devil's advocate...and saying take a deep breath. A long time ago, I decided against buying a plywood boat--(I had owned several in the past, but it didn't have this same construction.)

Good luck on your decision--and it is truely a beautiful boat.
 
Bill Childs (the guy who took over the Bartender business from George Calkins) has plans for a new, very interesting boat, the TimberCoast 22 which was designed by a naval architect. Very different from current Bartenders in that it is a very economical, hull speed cruiser. Check it out -- I will be interested in your comments about the Pilothouse and Troller configurations.

Warren
 
Warren,
Thanks for the link to the Timber Coast 22. What has happened is that the new NA has taken the original "V"forward and brought it aft. The original Bartender had a flat run aft, from the inital V--somewhat like the C Dories have, but with a much narrower beam aft--since they were virtually double enders. The Flat run gives a planing surface--as the C Dory. The Timber Coast, has taken the v aft. My guess is that although this will be slightly more effecient, that there can be some other effects--the boat may roll more, it will be slightly less stable at rest, and there is the potential for wandering at lower speeds. They are claiming only trawler like speeds of 7 knots. It would be hard to compare the "effeciency" of both these hulls at low speeds--since I suspect it would be measured in tenths of a gallon an hour at the 5 to 6 knot speed. Personally I would rather have the faster boat.

This ties into something which I didn't comment on in the original question--and that is the top speed of the two boats. The newer Ranger tugs are capable of planing speeds with the 150 Cummins engines--vs the 7 knots of the Devlin. How much difference does this make--well--we just had a lengthy thread on the 21 where the criticism was that the boat was not fast enough. Plus I had opined from the first, that the Ranger 25 was under powered to get planing speeds. At this point in life, I prefer to have boats which will allow me to get in faster in impending heavy weather--it is difficult to really "out run" weather, since we get squalls moving at 30 plus knots.

As for the layout of the Bartender and Timber coast--I think that can be modified to one's specifications--but there will probably not be as good cruising accomidations as the C Dory 22.
 
thataway":7m4m3mge said:
the boat may roll more, it will be slightly less stable at rest, and there is the potential for wandering at lower speeds.

Since I have no experience with stabilizing sails, I am curious as to how much of an effect they have on these issues.

Warren
 
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