Posting Photos That Disappear!!!

[Sea Wolf]

I often add photos to posts to illustrate them or to add photos to a discussion where one of the posters doesn't know how to do it. I have two problems I'd like some help with:

1. Some photos disappear after a while, leaving only a question mark. I was under the assumption that after they were once posted here, the file was here, and the photo would stay here. Apparently, after the photo at the address I posted to disappears, the one on this site does too. This means, I guess, that the server here goers and gets the photo at the address posted each time it is accessed. Is this true? Does it mean that, in order to make a photo "stick" and last, I have to put it in my album (or it has to be in someone elses'), since it's availability on the internet is not assured?

2. I usually capture the address of a photo using the shift + control keys on my iMac computer, then write the [img}xxxxx[/url] surrounding code by hand. The capture of the address part of the process no longer works. I'm wondering if this is because I've changed something unknowingly on my computer, or if it's an artifact of a Safari update. Does anyone know? I can test it by trying it with Foxfire, as a test.

Joe. :teeth :thup

 

[TyBoo]

Some sites (like this one!) have software controls that prevent "horking", or hot linking to photos stored on those sites. That keeps other sites from displaying stuff using the host site's bandwidth. When you hotlink a pic from another site it will show up on your screen because the file is stored in your temporary internet files, but will usually disappear when you refresh of reload our page.

So, yeah, if the pic is worth sharing you need to download it to your PC (ha! I know you use a Mac!) an then upload it to your album here. Don't worry - we can afford it.

 

[Alyssa Jean]

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but if you have a picture in your album that you have then transfered into a posting and then later you discard the picture from your album the posting will then show a small framed ? mark. Hope that made sense.

 

[rogerbum]

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but if you have a picture in your album that you have then transfered into a posting and then later you discard the picture from your album the posting will then show a small framed ? mark. Hope that made sense.

Yes - that is true. It's also true that if you move the picture around in your album (e.g. by creating new sub albums), that the previous link to the image will be broken since the image is no longer at the address.

 

[Sea Wolf]

So the conclusion would be that the server goes and gets the photo file from the source address on the internet (or on the server itself) each time it's used, and changing the availability at that address makes 1) the link dead, 2) the photo unavailable, and 3) the boxed in question mark then appears instead of the photo, and, moreover, 4) to insure the photo remains available, it should be posted here on this server, and the address/location left unchanged.

And, along with what Mike said, we find that some servers don't allow their photos to be accessed ("horked" or hot-linked), which would explain why some can't be linked to posts.

But I still have the problem of not being able to raise the "copy address" feature as described in the first post, even on photos in my own album here, so will have to work on that. I may have to find out how the address in the address bar differs from the address link and do the link manually, which wouldn't be too hard, of course.

Joe. :teeth :thup

 

[rogerbum]

Joe,
I just did a test in Safari - I went to Aurelia's photo album, got to the photo of his water heater, did a control-click on the photo and scrolled to "copy image address" and then used that to post the image. It seems to work fine. See evidence below.

 

[Alyssa Jean]

You can also right click on the pictures properties and C&P the address. ( am currently using IE)

 

[Sea Wolf]

Hi. again! Thanks for all the help!

Tried the updated / latest Foxfire, and no luck there: acts like Safari, AND can't see photos, which is a problem I've always had with them (!?!) :amgry

Switched from new wireless blu-tooth keyboard and mouse back to older wired version, and problem with copying address solved! Must be in the software for this component. But I have had it work correctly with the wireless set up sometimes, so will have to experiment more. (Also control and option key functions are reversed!)

The older keyboard is normally configured, however, and the new one totally flat, and the key strokes are very shallow, and feel different, too. It is somewhat hard to adjust / transfer between the two. Also, the mouse feels very different, and functions differently, being pressure sensitive, more sensitive to movement, etc., etc., etc. (Too sensitive for some functions: zooms in and out on google earth so fast it can't be controlled: half inch finger movement on top surface of the mouse took me from the neighborhood level out to the asteroid belt!)

Guess I'm getting old, not liking change, etc. :sad

Thanks for all the help! :smiled

Joe. :teeth :thup

 

[Sea Wolf]

Just an update.

Currently, I've got both keyboards turned on and operating as well as both mouses / mice / mices, and am able to operate the photo thing as needed. Now all I need is 6 hands! :lol:

Thanks again for your help!

Joe. :teeth :thup

 

[hardee]

OK, Let's see if I followed this right. We put photos into our album, create sub albums and then put them into our posting on a forum thread. Months later, the photos in our album all get rearranged because we took one of the photos on the first page, and deleted it because we have a better photo, (taken months later). So that little "DELETE" maneuver just messed up the previous posts that had any photo from the album in it, OR did it just mess up the post with the deleted photo.

Deleting that one photo, may have caused all the photos to get renumbered as to their "order" in the album. Is that part of the photo address? If that is the case, once a photo is placed into an album, it should not be moved or deleted. :?:

Concerned because I have been guilty of going in and, (only in SleepyC albums,) rearranging albums because I didn't like the fit, and wanted the flow to be more relational at times.

Am I messing up the system? :?:

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[Sea Wolf]

Harvey-

I don't know the answer to your main question, but you might post a photo from your album here, then after checking for it, go reorder something in your album that would change the order of the posted photo, and see if it changes the photo that's in the post....???? (If that makes any sense!)

Joe. :teeth :thup

 

[oldgrowth]

Joe – let’s try a few experiments. I have posted three images below.

Image one is red with the text image one in it.


Image two is white with the text image two in it.


Image three is blue with the text image three in it.


Quote this entire post so there is a copy of it in your post.
I think I can change the images in both post, yours and mine.
I will move the red one to the bottom and the other two up one position, so it will be
White with text image one on it.
Blue with text image two on it.
Red with text image three on it.
The text in both post will remain the same.
If this works then I will go to the next expierment.

Dave
www.tolandmarine.com

 

[Sea Wolf]

Joe – let’s try a few experiments. I have posted three images below.

Image one is red with the text image one in it.


Image two is white with the text image two in it.


Image three is blue with the text image three in it.


Quote this entire post so there is a copy of it in your post.
I think I can change the images in both post, yours and mine.
I will move the red one to the bottom and the other two up one position, so it will be
White with text image one on it.
Blue with text image two on it.
Red with text image three on it.
The text in both post will remain the same.
If this works then I will go to the next expierment.

Dave
www.tolandmarine.com

Dave-

Sounds like fun, and we're liable to learn something!

Joe. :teeth :thup

 

[oldgrowth]

It worked – as you will notice the images have changed. If you don’t remember what was where, the text above each image describes the Image as it used to be when I created this post yesterday. Moving photos in your album will not cause it to disappear in a post as long as it remains in the folded it was linked from. If you move it to another folder it may disappear from the post. I will try that experiment some time in the future.
Here are the original images in the order as posted.






Dave
www.tolandmarine.com

 

[hardee]

Dave Said:

"....Moving photos in your album will not cause it to disappear in a post as long as it remains in the folded it was linked from. If you move it to another folder it may disappear from the post."

Looks to me like when you changed the positions, all of the photos in the postings changed positions,(colors), so it follows that when a photo is moved, the position allotment is reassigned, and a different photo will come up in the thread. Maybe even if it is in the same folder?

:?: :?: :?:

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[oldgrowth]

Harvey – your assumption is wrong. Position in you photo folder has nothing to do with the position of the photo in you post when you link to severel photos.

I went into my photo album and reordered the six images displayed earlier in this thread and nothing changes to the images or their location in the post. As long as the image/photo remains in the folder it was linked to, it will display properly it in the post.

What I did was actually change the photos from what I originally posted as a link to my album.
Here is an example; the image below is a blue square with “image two” on it.

Tonight after the time has passed for editing the post, I will display the water heater that Roger linked to earlier in this thread in place of the blue square.


Dave
www.tolandmarine.com

 

[hardee]

"As long as the image/photo remains in the folder it was linked to, it will display properly it in the post. "

Dave,this is good, as long as the photo stays in the original folder(album), but, if it is moved to another album or sub-album, will it show up, or another photo, or more likely, a blank.

Harvey,
SleepyC :moon

PS: It's getting near early, almost 0100 Thursday 12-30-10 and if you already put the water heater in place of the Blue Image Two, the magic didn't work, as I am still seeing the blue Image two, not the water heater.

 

[oldgrowth]

Harvey – I waited to change the photo until someone posted a message below my post, so it would be obvious that the change occurred after the time for editing the post had passed.

As long as the photo stays in the album or in a folder in your album that it was linked to, it will be displayed in the post. If it is moved to a new folder or deleted, the frame for the photo in the post will be blank with a small red X as displayed below.

If the photo is moved back into the original folder it was linked to, it will be displayed in the post again. If it is deleted, then you have to upload it back into you album and it has to have the exact same name as the original photo. Moving the photo to a new page will not break the link as long as it is still in the same folder. This works regardless of who linked to it. This will change the photo in one of your post or anyone else that links to a photo in your album. If you link to a photo in some one else’s album, you have no control over it but that person that has the photo album does have control of it.

How I did the above trick with the water tank was to delete the original blue square in my photo album and then save the water tank photo to my computer and rename it with the same name that my blue square had, then upload it to my album in the same folder the blue square occupied. Now you have to delete the photo in your album you are going to replace before you upload the new one. If you do not, the server will add numbers to the name of the new photo you are uploading because there cannot be two files/photos in the same folder with the same name.


Dave
www.tolandmarine.com

 

[Sea Wolf]

Dave-

Thanks for getting that straightened out, explained, and understood!

The other question I originally had was about photos linked to elsewhere on the internet, but it's clear now we have no control over those at all, they're fairly likely to change their addresses in time, and to be sure they are kept available to be displayed with posts here on the C-Brats forum, they would have to be put into an album and/or folder here, and left unchanged (as you've demonstrated) here.

Let me know if this is not correct.

Thanks, again!

Joe. :teeth :thup

 

[oldgrowth]

Joe – you are 100% correct.

There are a couple of unlikely scenarios that can happen when the photo is linked to an outside site.

1. The image can change to one that is objectionable to the administrators and/or the members. For instance you link to one of the calendar images mentioned in another thread going on at this time. If that image is changed and it has the same name, it would be displayed in the post. Instead of a sexy woman still in an acceptable pose, it could be a full nude person that would not be acceptable here. The chance of this happening is almost nil so I would not worry about it.

2. The other scenario would be an easy thing for a spammer to do. I hesitate to explain the process for fear of it being done. Probably from the information I have given here it won’t take much to figure it out but no sense spelling it out for one.


Dave
www.tolandmarine.com