They ain't cheap anymore...

Wandering Sagebrush

Wandering Sagebrush

Free Range Human
https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/boa ... 17035.html

Seems like a very nice boat, but wow... I had no idea they were that expensive now...

2016 C-Dory 25 Cruiser, like new ready to go w/ trailer - $121000 (NW Portland) hide this posting

condition: like new
engine hours (total): 35
length overall (LOA): 25
make / manufacturer: C-Dory
model name / number: 25 Cruiser
propulsion type: power
year manufactured: 2016
Great NW boat, built in Washington, all weather and all season. Purchased new in August and first launched on 8/31/17. This boat has never seen salt or fish - always in fresh water on the Willamette and Columbia rivers and always kept in a covered moorage. Only 35 hours of run time with full factory warranty. Properly maintained and winterized.

Set up for cruising and overnight trips with a nice v-berth and a dining table that converts to a bed. Full canvas camper back with zip out doors and insect screens. Sink, hot water heater, fully enclosed head with shower, refrigerator, and a Wallas diesel cooktop heater. Lots of factory options including dual batteries, macerator pump, wash down pump, and grab rails. The Interior has snap-in curtains, carpet insert, LED lighting, and lots of storage space.

Powered by a Honda BF200 (200 hp) outboard with a Suzuki 9.9 hp kicker. Full Garmin electronics package with radar and coastal / inland charts on a 9" touchscreen display. All manuals, spare parts for maintenance, engine cover, etc.

The trailer is a new EZ Loader 7500 lb galvanized tandem bunk style with hydraulic disc brakes and has only been on the ramp twice.

Please call and I can send you the entire list of features and options along with more pictures. This boat is turn-key fully outfitted and ready to go including life jackets, flares, fire extinguishers, and dock lines.

$121,000.00 (save about $15k off the cost of a 2018 model)
 
That is a really nice clean looking 25, near new and well set up with camper back and trailer. The VHF is in a weird place (IMHO), not making it very user friendly, but that is sure fixable.

And it is right here in the PNW for teh price of a new 22.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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hardee":2wh1k598 said:
That is a really nice clean looking 25, near new and well set up with camper back and trailer. The VHF is in a weird place (IMHO), not making it very user friendly, but that is sure fixable.

And it is right here in the PNW for teh price of a new 22.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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"And it is right here in the PNW for teh price of a new 22."

Harvey: True, Joke, or typo? :smileo

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Should have been "the" not teh :lol:

And yes, close. Take 99, (which I think was the SBS show price, so some discount), add the trailer, and the electronics and the additional accouterments, and it will be close.

Harvey
SleepyC:moon

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It's a beautiful boat indeed. I could not justify the price of it tho in comparison to the ranger 23 or something of the sort. Let's face it while we all love our C-Dorys for current prices or close to it I think there are other options that offer greater amenities. I think either they will need to up their game in fit/finish or be more reasonable in pricing strategies. I wish you all the luck in selling this boat and I am sure any new owner would be a happy camper. I don't understand either why instead of having a bigger opening to the birth they decided to give us more counter space - maybe structural integrity?. I'd love to take out a section and put it on a hinge hatch for easier access to the berth. I truly love my boat but I do think for the prices they seem to want to ask they could work on the amenities and fit/finish if they plan on being relevant and price competitive.

I hope I don't get crucified for this comment but I think 120+ grand for an in end effect unfinished boat is a bit much to ask. (by unfinished I mean with little creature comforts)

My 2 cents.
 
Ordutch1975":2fx346lu said:
It's a beautiful boat indeed. I could not justify the price of it tho in comparison to the ranger 23 or something of the sort.....
I hope I don't get crucified for this comment but I think 120+ grand for an in end effect unfinished boat is a bit much to ask. (by unfinished I mean with little creature comforts)

My 2 cents.
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Used up my crucifixion allowance this month...but what creature comforts would you like to see added? I agree that the new boats are expensive, but I doubt that you will find a Ranger 23 for that amount: Base price is about $110, K add in "shade", windlass, radar, trailer, kicker and life jackets boat hook anchor etc.. the cost will be $131,300. The ranger has 25 gallons less fuel, and will be less efficient (deep V vs semi dory). My guess is that the ranger will have a significant lower range at 20 knots. My guess is also if you look at both boats 20 years from now, the C Dory will be more appealing cosmetically, depending on "normal" usage.

I agree that they are expensive...but I don't see the Wright's being millionaires from the sales for C Dorys.
 
Bob, I have some fourth quarter Crucifixion Allowance carry over. If you want it, it’s yours. :lol:

Regarding fit and finish...level of finish is one of those owner determined preferences. I like the utilitarian aspects of the CDory, and don’t want anything more in terms of liners or insulation. More room, or something like a winch or davit is a different story. The older I get, the less weight I want to lift. Not to mention the junk I like to drag along.
 
Well, considering the Seattle Boat Show price of a CD25 in 2005 - with a trailer, Wallas, trim tabs, and windlass - was $72,000, plus ~$10,000 for the camperback and electronics, the differential seems fairly shocking to me. Just because the cost to make a boat has gone up does not mean there is that much differential in value. I guess those of us who bought back in the day were just lucky. The likely upcoming Daydream re-power at some point is looking better and better!
 
But if you consider that 2005's $75K is 2017's $97K just from inflation. If you add $13K (10K adjusted), the $121K is not that far off. Still a bit high, but not outrageous.
 
Pat Anderson":yjswlonw said:
Well, considering the Seattle Boat Show price of a CD25 in 2005 - with a trailer, Wallas, trim tabs, and windlass - was $72,000, plus ~$10,000 for the camperback and electronics, the differential seems fairly shocking to me. Just because the cost to make a boat has gone up does not mean there is that much differential in value. I guess those of us who bought back in the day were just lucky. The likely upcoming Daydream re-power at some point is looking better and better!
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Our 22 Cruiser boat, trailer, motor was $41k, $1.8k for camperback, $700 for curtains and mooring cover, about $3.5k for radar and arch.. Did the repower last year. Did buy a new trailer in 2014 to go to a twin axle.
 
ssobol":27n0au6x said:
But if you consider that 2005's $75K is 2017's $97K just from inflation. If you add $13K (10K adjusted), the $121K is not that far off. Still a bit high, but not outrageous.
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Interesting--I had not realized that we were still having 1.9% inflation during the "recession"--but so it seems...

But boats are typically a depreciating asset--just like an automobile........not in including your 1936 Auburn Boattail Speedster. (1955 $1000, today $700,000)
or Mercedes 1955 Gullwing 300SL (1964: $5,000, today 4.62 million dollars).

Maybe the 2006 C Dory 25's at $50,000 are todays unsung bargain for restoration!
 
I'm always flabbergasted by the story of no inflation. What does a car cost today vs 10 years ago even tho we went through a recession? My house has doubled in value since I bought it in 2011 and added 40% since 2007 at the height of the last boom. I also wonder where the money comes from - look at median incomes in most states how do these people afford 121k boats and 70k trucks?

What has truly changed? Interest rates - nothing else. See http://www.macrotrends.net/2015/fed-fun ... ical-chart

IE people can afford more debt at the same income level. As interest rates rise (as is happening lately - prices will stabilize or drop on large ticket items.

I would not bet on continued price increases in the next 10 years if interest rates keep rising without the commensurate income adjustment to sustain the debt loads. But the market economy always finds a way to sell more. Wait for it interest only boat, home and other loans or "boat as a service" - "car as a service" is already on its way monthly deals coming our way soon. Think cell phone plans.

We're being sold ownership is overrated. look at music - you pay for the right to listen not for the music - you don't own a damn thing. Thats where its headed. The end result is to get at peoples equity in all they currently own. Its a way to shift the equity from Joe shmo to large entities and banks. Economic growth is no longer about actual production rather about financial innovation. Hmm what got us in trouble in 2007? Just wait for the next one. Think about it how much money is sitting in peoples homes, cars, boats etc... The goal is to find a financial mechanism to keep it liquid and in the system.
 
Ordutch1975":2zxrurvf said:
I.. My house has doubled in value since I bought it in 2011 and added 40% since 2007 at the height of the last boom. ...
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In the last 10 years, my house lost more than 1/3 of it's value and only now is it getting back to what I paid for it.
 
Location, Location, Location: Ordutch1975 house is a phenomenon of certain areas: some large cities, prime areas. Even in S. Calif. some areas have not returned to 2005 values. Some areas have more than doubled. In my area of Fl. we are just about 50% over what it was in 2007; others have really gone up. (Waterfront property after a Cat III hurricane takes a real hit our area took a 50% loss after Ivan in 2004)

The last 10 years have a lower inflation rate than the US historical average, which is 3.2%. This means prices double in 20 years. My first 25' Owens Sea Skiff (wood) new was $5,000 in 1962. (and my salary had gone from $50 a month as an Intern, to $200 a month as a 1st year Resident physician, but I could earn $15 an hour working in the Emergency room, on the side.)

I think that inflation will be back to where it was on an average--and perhaps even higher, with the demands for increased minimum wage and the fed raising the interest rates: All of these are very inflationary. Also the government sovereign debt is predicated on inflation...

Boat prices are a factor of labor and cost of materials. Crude Oil has been variable (resins), but overall has been stable in the last 10 years: 2007, $64.20; 2017 $75.66 inflation adjusted price--actual price was $65.23 last Friday, so it has fallen, Historically oil is a bargain, since in 1967 it was $22 a barrel.
Metals have also been variable, In 2007 the Honda 90 was about $8000, today it is about $11,500, so that has significantly increased.
 
Ordutch1975":83vcukh2 said:
... We're being sold ownership is overrated. look at music - you pay for the right to listen not for the music - you don't own a damn thing. Thats where its headed. ....
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According to GM you don't own the software that runs your car. You are just licensing it from them. If you violate the EULA, in theory they can take the software away (or disable it) and then you just have a hunk of metal and plastic.

Anyone ever read the EULA for their car?
 
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