Windlass/Rode splice problem

[Lost Petrel]

Harvey,

Also depending on which windlass you have, Lewmar makes a wireless remote. I know that you need to have the relay/contactor, but other than that don't know the specifics. It was available for my Lewmar 700H (~2013/2014 model).

Lewmar's FAQ states they make a kit to convert the toggle switch like I have currently to a solenoid, but I cannot locate it anywhere. I probably will give them a call next week, because I would like to have that option on Wild Blue.

 

[Lost Petrel]

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Lewmar's FAQ states they make a kit to convert the toggle switch like I have currently to a solenoid, but I cannot locate it anywhere. I probably will give them a call next week, because I would like to have that option on Wild Blue.

Well I did locate the individual pieces needed; solenoid, rocker switch, and remote totally about $500, so this may not happen before a couple of other projects.

 

[thataway]

20 seconds on the search function of this web site came up with the instructions and photos I did of the 8 plait splice about a year and a half ago. I have used this over 100 times, and zero problems feeding thru the windlass (700H). I don't know if there is an "up grade kit", since I purchased the windlass about 18 months ago.

http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... ight=plait

I prefer a double back splice, over any of the woven chain splices--but if you can proof the splice to several thousand lbs, then it should be good to go!

The wireless remote is great, I believe that Jody used one at Powell. It seemed to be flawless. My Lewmar 700 H windlass installation instruction sheet had all of the details of the wireless remote, along with part numbers and simple diagram. It looks like less than an hour time max to do the wiring and installation if you already the contractor, which I believe that all of the new 700 H's have.

Below is a photo of the completed splice before use: A bit dirtier, but about the same size:

 

[TyBoo]

Here's the infinitely helpful email reply from Josh at Lewmar. It kind of bugs me having spent probably four thousand bucks on their stuff over the years that they really don't care if it works or not.

Thank you for the email.

We do not tie our rodes here but in a facility down in Florida so I don’t have any instructions regarding the tying of an 8 plait splice.

The best information I have about them is that they should be flexible at most about 3 inches long and about 1.5x the diameter of the line itself.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us.

Oh well. No sense replying back. I liked 'em better when the windlasses were Simpson Lawrence.

Bob - your splice looks a lot better than the one they gave me. This one wasn't so much too big as it was too rigid. It was like trying to wrap a four inch stick around the gypsy.

I'll give the backyard farmer knot I tied a few tries and see how it stays together. If it fails I can have the guy at Englund Marine tie one up for me when I buy the new anchor :roll:

 

[AstoriaDave]

Mike,

My splicing career is nearly nonexistent. The only suggestion I have is to work the splice hard over a rounded edge to improve the flexibility. Dr. Bob's splice is light years ahead of anything I could do.

 

[thataway]

The secret of any splice is to bring it tight, and work it well as you do it. Then do the taper. The taper, takes a bit more time, but brings the line into the gypsy in a smooth manor.

With a lot of bulk, it suggests that who made the splice was not putting the physical work into making it tight. Paradoxically it can also make the splice stiff. It is also possible that the person doing the splice did not do it correctly.

The nice feature of a good splice, is the more you pull on it, the tighter it grips. Sort of like the Chinese finger basket trick. (I don't think that applies to chain weaves. I put this one on the trailer hitch, and the chain end to a big oak tree--brought it up to what I estimated would have been over 2000 lbs load.

 

[hardee]

20 seconds on the search function of this web site came up with the instructions and photos I did of the 8 plait splice about a year and a half ago. I have used this over 100 times, and zero problems feeding thru the windlass (700H). I don't know if there is an "up grade kit", since I purchased the windlass about 18 months ago.

http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... ight=plait

I prefer a double back splice, over any of the woven chain splices--but if you can proof the splice to several thousand lbs, then it should be good to go!

The wireless remote is great, I believe that Jody used one at Powell. It seemed to be flawless. My Lewmar 700 H windlass installation instruction sheet had all of the details of the wireless remote, along with part numbers and simple diagram. It looks like less than an hour time max to do the wiring and installation if you already the contractor, which I believe that all of the new 700 H's have.

Below is a photo of the completed splice before use: A bit dirtier, but about the same size:

Bringing this Thread back from 2015.

That Splice is beautiful and looks like it should feed through the gypsy well.

My current 3 strand rode was spliced into a single loop of chain that was about 1.5 inches long, so almost twice what my 1/4" HT G-4 chain link size is. Also, the splice was pretty lumpy, not much of a taper.

I'm working on replacing my current rode and have talked to both Fisheries Supply and Defender. Neither of them are willing to share pictures of the splices they do (or provide) except what they have on their websites, which are pretty useless in really knowing how their splices usually turn out.

I like the slim, narrowness of Joe's chain splice, and Also of Bobs tapered back splice. Anyone have some other splices or pictures of the ones done by the suppliers?

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[SGIDave]

have talked to both Fisheries Supply and Defender. Neither of them are willing to share pictures of the splices they do (or provide) except what they have on their websites, which are pretty useless in really knowing how their splices usually turn out.

I like the slim, narrowness of Joe's chain splice, and Also of Bobs tapered back splice. Anyone have some other splices or pictures of the ones done by the suppliers?

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

Hello Harvey,

I recently purchased a "Defender" branded 1/2" 8-plait rode prespliced (by Defender) to 1/4" chain for use in a Lewmar 700 Profish Horizontal windlass. I don't have any pics of the actual splice at the moment, but I can tell you it has fed through the gypsy without problem the couple dozen times I've tried.

/dave

 

[Kushtaka]

Mike,

If you want company in your misery, and perhaps the opinion of someone who works with splices day in and day out, you might take that premade splice in to Danny in the cable shop down at Englund Marine. Either Danny or Vaughn (sp?) probably could sort this out and or provide a couple clues for the new rode splice.

Danny has been especially helpful when I had a rigging problem I could not solve.

Anybody there can hook you up with Danny, but maybe Sheila, just outside the warehouse access, might be the go to person.

I don't know Danny, but this.

Splicing is a great skill to have, but maybe it is best to start splicing some eyes onto spare dock lines, or dinghy bridles, or just splice some line at home for no reason at all. The anchor splice is a very important one for many reasons and I can tell you that there is no substitute for practice.

I can splice lines, and I do most of my own splices, but I have professionals splice my anchor rode to my chain and it always feeds just fine through my gypsy.

 

[hardee]

I had serious concerns about just getting a "standard rode to chain" splice done, even at Defender, but one of our local Sequim Contingent CBRATS came over this afternoon with a newly purchased length of Yale 8-strand Plait spliced to a 1/4" chain, and it looked very nice. Tight, with a taper, and covered in a blue sealer of some sort.

We tried pulling it through my windlass. Not so good. It slipped and just would not hold. Looks like the pros at Quick and Defender were on the mark. I will be staying with the 3 strand for now.... Just updating the connections from rode to chain and chain to anchor and the anchor.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[jennykatz]

I'm hoping to redew my splice up in St John's river trip having lots of C-Brats to critique or help me ? Jim

 

[hardee]

Maybe I should have been more clear. I had ordered the 1/2" 8 Plait Nylon from Defender. After taking a look at that line, I really like it for the "hand". It is softer, more flexible, and lighter. It would be my first choice IF I could run it through my Quick windlass. I would be able to add almost 100 feet more in the locker.

I applaud Defender for bringing the issue to my attention before I got stuck with product that I could not use effectively. My research on the Quick company and dealings with them leads me to think they are pretty up and up. Their customer service was very helpful, and some of their newer windlasses might work. They gave me the option to change my gypsy with my windlass, is viable, though might be expensive due to having to change both the gypsy and the chain. Could work for some folks, I'm just not going there now.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon