130 Honda on a 22 Angler

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Telsta860

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Hello! I am a commercial jig fisherman and I catch and sell live fish on the Oregon coast out of my 1991 C-Dory Angler 22. Sometimes I go out with two deck hands but usually just one. I have a live well that weighs about 1000 lbs full and the boat is powered with a Honda 90 and 9.9 kicker.

Currently I mostly fish out of Port Orford where a crane sets the boats into the bay, no bar to cross, and this setup works great however I have fished north and south of here in Gold Beach and Bandon, where there are bars to negotiate, and I feel I am way underpowered at the bar especially when coming back in to port with a full load.

Last summer I was inbound crossing the bar in Bandon in conditions one would rather not see when coming home, and I found myself in a predicament I would rather not be in again. I lined up with the slot, picked a big swell to ride in, gave it full throttle and here we go. As the wave bucked up higher and higher I was unable to keep up and the boat slipped back into the trough. The next wave picked me up and theatened to break over the top of the boat but luckily I was able to shoot down the face like a pipeline surfer and wooshhh I was in. The ride to the dock found butterflies in my stomach and me questioning my career choice. A few days ago in Gold Beach I had a similar experience although not quite as dramatic but still, I've had enough.

I need more power.

I have a Honda 130 on another boat and I am thinking maybe I need to put it on the C-Dory. The extra horsepower would allow me to get up and go when necessary and I might not even sacrifice fuel economy as it's rare that even the 90 is wide open while cruising except to get up on plane, so the lower rpm might even save me some gas. I'm thinking the flat bottom design would handle the extra 100 lbs or so no problem.

Any thoughts?
 
My thoughts are that you must be approaching or exceeding the capacity rating of the boat already with such a large live tank, you + two deck hands, fishing gear, fuel etc. What's the capacity plate read on a 22 angler? While you can probably solve the immediate problem with more horsepower, I have to wonder if the 22 angler is really the right tool for the job.
 
we need pictures of the boat and the fishing. Are you selling these fish to eat or what? why are they live caught and what type of fish? just interested in what you do?

As far as the motor, you could be I would want to know what your total weight is also. There are over 100plus hp motors that weight less then the honda.
 
weight of honda 90 should be over 400lb and the 130 should be over 470 lb or so depending on the yr The older honda's were 115 and 130 were the same block 2.2 L The 130 will have a bigger prop then the 90 hp
Will you still keep the 9/9 hp on also I would check the transom thats over 600lb on a 21yr old transom?? good Luck in your endeavor
 
I wouold be concerned about both the weight and torque of the larger motor. The boats were designed initally with the 75 hp in mind--then the 90 and more recently the 115. The 130 is not that much bigger, but...you sure don't want to have a transom issue when running an inlet. If I was going to use that size motor, I would first be sure that the transom was sound--do moisture meter testing--pull the bolts, be sure that there was no water or rot in the core. (if a transducer is present, pull the screws onit). Then I would consider putting a couple of layers of triaxial 18 oz cloth on the inside of the transom with epoxy, after sanding the gelcoat down to beef it up. I probably would also glass a Knee right in the center (using a foam core to keep the weight down).

I understand being safer on the back of the wave, when running the inlet--and no choice as weather, and tide change. But you also want the boat to be controlable. Of course using the Honda 130 will probably allow the same controls and rigging--rather than going to Yahama or Suzuki options.

Since you already own the motor--and could drop in on and see how the boat looks and handles--it seems like an option.
 
I met a gentlemen at my athletic club this winter who said he use to own a 22ft cruiser in Barrow Alaska, the CD was an early 90s version. Now talk about limited season, they have like 6 to 8 weeks when the ice is out. He said the boat had a 130hp outboard, and that the Natives over power all their boats up there so they can make time between hunting grounds or whatever. I assume it was a 2 stroke which would give more torque than a 4 stroke but didn’t get this information out of him.

Not to say you wouldn’t run into problems just that it’s been done before. The boat is probable still up in Barrow I’m sure, parked behind someone’s house covered with a drift of snow surrounded by broke down snow machines; if you’ve ever been to Barrow you’d understand.
 
Jay,

Don't forget the furniture and other crap.......Why are the small villages and communities so pristine????? LOL

But back the original posting, I really doubt anything will happen except you will get going more quickly. And if it is just you and the fish, I doubt the boat is overloaded.....
 
T.R. Bauer":pvumclhl said:
Jay,

Don't forget the furniture and other crap.......Why are the small villages and communities so pristine????? LOL

But back the original posting, I really doubt anything will happen except you will get going more quickly. And if it is just you and the fish, I doubt the boat is overloaded.....
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Him, the 1-2 deck hands is someplace between 300lbs and 600lbs (2 guys @150# to 3 guys @#200 - I don't know what he and they weigh).
The live well - 1000lbs (his number) - I assume it has fish and water in it and that the fish weight it equal to the weight of the water they displace.
The 130HP Honda - 496-505 lbs
20-40 gals of fuel - 120-240lbs
Hull weight (estimated from 22 brochure) - 1925lbs
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Total not including gear, electronics, portapotti, fresh water etc = 3841lbs - 4270
Max gross weight (from 22 manual) = 4500lbs.

So depending on the weight of the guys and the total weight of the other stuff on board, he could very well be over the 4500 lb mark. Plus I bet that 1000 live well has all of its weight aft of the cabin door (as do the fuel tanks and anyone who is actively fishing. That's a lot of weight towards the back of the boat.
 
Well I can see that pretty much everyone here has the same concern as I do.

The aluminum live well has a capacity of about 115 gallons when completely full which is most of the time after the first couple hours of fishing so that's a thousand pounds. It's bolted to the deck just behind the door with just enough room for the door to clear. I weigh 225 and my normal deck hands are about 190 I'd say.

I've had the boat out in some pretty hairy conditions and there has never been an issue with stability except in big following seas and that's regardless of whether or not there is water in the live well. I put a hydrofoil on the motor to hold the bow down so I could see, and that has a tendency to make things a little squirrelly in following seas. Trimming the motor up a little helps with that.

We never go out in conditions less than ideal but as all of us who venture into the big blue know, sometimes the weather unexpectedly deteriorates and as you head for home it deteriorates even more. It's times like these that I really appreciate the solidly built C-Dory hull. I also fish a Wellcraft Airslot 24 with twin 140s and while it's certainly more suited for offshore cruising, the hull actually has bit of a flimsy feel to it as compared to the Dory in my opinion.

I've always enjoyed diving and fishing offshore and I initially bought this boat to replace my Boston Whaler Outrage. (It has the 130 on it) Last time I went diving in that boat I liked to froze to death so I bought the C-Dory to get out of the wind. When I stopped by Port Orford to show my new boat to a buddy of mine he suggested it would be perfect for live catch. I had retired at 52 about seven years before that from a line contracting business and had spent the last several years watching Peoples Court reruns and wasting away so I figured why not? I bought a black and blue permit with a nearshore endorsement, outfitted the boat, bought a bunch of new fishing tackle, moved to the coast and wah lah!! I fish for black, blue and china rockfish, sea trout, cabazon, ling cod, coppers, quills, irish lords and grassies. On rare occasions I've reeled up wolf eels and octopus. After six months or so I bought another boat and permit which allows me to fish full time. I don't make any money really but I do make enough to pay all my expenses to where I don't have to spend any of my savings to live my life. I started last May, have about 100 landings and I fish with rods and reels only. Some of the guys here long line and I could do that as well but it's just not my cup of tea. I catch the fish, throw em in the live well and unload them at the dock to the licensed buyer who sells them live to the consumer. I don't even have to clean em. It's hard work, my hands are sore but my fingernails and conscience are clean. All my fishing is done inside the 20 fathom line and I often invite my old buddies and kin folk over for a day of fishing. The things you see out there are sometimes really quite incredible. I saw a gray whale jump clean out of the water last summer...FIVE TIMES IN A ROW. Just like the insurance commercial I SWEAR!!

I'll see about trying to upload some pics. (of the boat..not the whale)

Yea the boat needs more speed to safely cross the bars.
 
Telsta860-

Would it be possible to unload a reasonable portion of the 1000 pounds of water in the live well for the short period when crossing the difficult part of the entrance or bar? (Or do you need the extra power for longer periods than a few minutes?)

Do you keep the fish all in one confined area, or is is subdivided at all? Do the different species conflict with or harm each other?

Just a thought!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Happy Retirement!
The one thing I would mention is about insurance. I'm thinking if the boat has more power than the data plate calls for it could be a reason for the insurance folks to deny a claim. If one of your workers fell off the boat never to be seen again, it could open you up to possible legal action based on a liablity issue where they would most likely go after your person assets. I'm neither an insurance man or a lawyer. Just a thought. I know dealers won't usually install motor/s more than the capacity plate rating because of insurance reasons, unless the manufacturer signs off on it. Those cases usually involve the higher hp motor being the same weight as in a 150- 175 hp motor which I believe was done for a TomCat owner out of Florida.
D.D.
 
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