16 vs 19 vs 22

Ha! Awesome!

Although I currently own a Montgomery 15, my previous sailboat was a Picnic Cat. Great boat, huge cockpit, kind of a slug through a wake. We sailed that comfortably in the Apostle Islands even though it probably wasn't the best choice.

I see alot of similarities with the folks here, and I appreciate the comments about the CD16. I bet it would work pretty well for me, even though I'm not leaning towards it. I'm solitary by nature!

The big deal is the extra space for the occasional day trip guests, and for some elbow room for my wife and I.

Bill
 
Elbow room IS a significant factor in enjoying a boat; and not just when single-handing.

CD-16 has 6'6" beam, 5' 6" of headroom.

CD-22 has 7'8" beam, 6'2" of headroom (more on the high-top version). The interior volume and comfort on the 22 will be WAY more than you'd imagine compared to the 16 or 19.
 
It boils down to the 22 being a boat you can live on, for prolonged period of time....Although I have seen 16's cruising...it would be far more difficult.

Second is number of people. If never more than 2--the 16 would be OK

I would think that 4 on a 16, would be mighty tight!
 
We are former sailors (65 years) who joined the C-Dory family a few years back and also live on Lake Superior. Our 22 has served us well having taken us to Isle Royale three times along with cruises on Keweenaw Bay, Huron Bay, Apostle Islands and around the Keweenaw Peninsula. Last year we added 1500 miles to her bottom, not including highway miles.

We generally cruise at sailboat speed, but with the C-Dory when Lake Superior decides to show-off we can speedily head for safe harbor. We look forward to meeting you on the big lake.

Hank and Pat Clow
 
Hi Hank,

I think you have precisely captured my scenario. We still like everything about sailing but I think we also are interested in some more flexibility. I get the sense that the 22 really positions a person to be right-sized.

p.s. we've passed through L'Anse many times, I believe we've eaten at a restaurant called the Hilltop(?) and stayed in a cabin up the shore a few miles. What a cool part of the lake.

Keweenaw might be our favorite, we've stayed in and around Copper Harbor several times, and it is continuously rewarding.

Bill
 
Hi,

I have experience with both the 16 Cruiser and Angler. The Angler is 2 people max unless you add seats. But what I like about the Cruiser is that the berth is open to the cabin, and a 3rd person can sit on the edge of the sleeping platform facing aft. By comparison, a 19' does not offer this. An additional benefit of this arrangement is that the 16C will ride better with this 3rd person provide more weight in closer to the bow. With that said, there is no seat back for this 3rd person, so it may not be comfortable for everyone, and may limit how long they want to be on the water.

Additionally, the PO added a rear bench seat to my 16C (which would also work on a 16A). I haven't used it... I think it would be fine at low speeds, but I also think the additional weight in the rear could be a problem for cruising(?)
 
Wood Zeppelin":m3yiifu4 said:
BTW,

Those who have experience with a 22Angler, is the berth open to the cabin? If so, does it work as a seating option like in the 16 cruiser?
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The V-birth on the Angler is the same as the 22, access via the companionway, unless it has been modified. I don't think it would work like the 16, except there is no sitting with comfortable headheight.

Here is a photo of a 22 Cruiser and a 22 Angler side by side.
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Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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The V-birth on the Angler is the same as the 22, access via the companionway, unless it has been modified. I don't think it would work like the 16, except there is no sitting with comfortable headheight.

Thanks Hardee!

So then, the 19A and 22A will both have the same companionway?

If so, they companionway hatch has both an open front AND an open top to them, right? If the top is also open, can someone sit there (facing aft?)
 
Oops, I may be mistaken about the top of the companionway being "open".. I think they were on some older models?

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As far as singlehand operation of a 22: dont worry, you sound like you have more water experience in one arm than I ever had before buying a 22. I make mistakes often, and still manage to get the boat to the dock. I have found it not to be a matter of “can I learn to dock this boat” but more a matter of “can I learn to dock this boat without my wife throwing me off it for barking directions to compensate for my poor maneuvering”. Had some close calls but we’re getting better! Nothing turns heads like putting a boat you can sleep on in that LAST little spot on the inside of the dock with 18 inches of water under it. Good luck in your adventures and decisions!
 
Howdy Nigel, Good to see you here.

". . . . So then, the 19A and 22A will both have the same companionway?

If so, they companionway hatch has both an open front AND an open top to them, right? If the top is also open, can someone sit there (facing aft?)"
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Yes the 19 (only one model so no Angler or Cruiser version in that length), have the same companionway, (passage between the V-Birth and the cabin), as a 22 Cruiser or 22 Angler. I don't believe it is a hatch, but I do recall seeing on some 16's a bulkhead between the V-birth and the "cabin" with a companionway that closed like on many sailboats, with an overhead portion. This assembly was to allow securing the V-birth contents.

Sitting in the V-birth in either the 19 or the 22's would not be comfort able for long; no head room.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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I am very new to the C-dory game. Our 2005 22 Cruiser had its maiden voyage today, fresh up from Washington to Alaska. AS for towing, our Toyota Tundra has plenty of power for the 22. I hardly feel the extra weight even on steep hills. It's long on the trailer, less maneuverable than I expected after our 22' homemade wooden dory. The wooden boat was on a homemade trailer maybe with the wheels closer to the tongue, and we have bigger truck, 8' bed with a double cab. I had no trouble maneuvering the old boat in our driveway, but we had to add some gravel to maneuver the 22 Cruiser easily.

The 22 Cruiser feels rolly compared to my wooden dory, which was slightly wider with a flat bottom. However, on our first cruise, the C-Dory felt very comfortable and stable in a 2-3 foot chop. It's quite roomy for two or three people.
 
I'm relatively new to C--Dory ownership, but my primary use of my CD22 is singlehanding it. Wind can make it a little hairy but you figure out the tricks.

My secondary use is day cruising with my wife and big dog, and my wife—who knows nothing about boats, despite us having owned several—can work a boat hook or take the wheel when needed.

We also do a fair amount of sightseeing or cocktail cruises with other couples visiting us. Four people in the boat is fine, though I wouldn't want to overnight with them for too long. Sometimes the stern rides low if the three adults congregate in the cockpit while we're at no-wake speeds, but with a little throttle she planes without complaint.

I've owned bigger boats and smaller boats. My wife wishes this one had an enclosed head, but makes due with the privacy curtain. Otherwise, this one really hits the sweet spot. Can't recommend enough.
 
I'm curious about going from single-handing a 16 to a 22. I have often launched my 16' at crappy boat ramps known to only be good for "small boats" (I like to go to rugged and adventurous places), or ones that aren't good at low tides (like Homes harbor on Whidbey Island, Union bay ramp at Hood Canal, Freshwater bay ramp near Port Angeles).

So how much more difficult would it be with a 22?

Also, some days I like to "hitch and go", run out fishing for part of a day. How much harder would it be to do that with a 22!?
 
Wood Zeppelin":ryza10om said:
I'm curious about going from single-handing a 16 to a 22. I have often launched my 16' at crappy boat ramps known to only be good for "small boats" (I like to go to rugged and adventurous places), or ones that aren't good at low tides (like Homes harbor on Whidbey Island, Union bay ramp at Hood Canal, Freshwater bay ramp near Port Angeles).

So how much more difficult would it be with a 22?

Also, some days I like to "hitch and go", run out fishing for part of a day. How much harder would it be to do that with a 22!?
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I don’t know about those particular launches. However, I do take my 22 out just for the afternoon. The ramp I use is about 4 miles from my house. From hooking up the trailer to getting the boat wet is about 45 minutes. I do it single handed. It does take a little more muscle to move my boat on and off the trailer than a 16 (I expect).

I have launched off of gravel ramps. With a 22, 4WD and good tires are necessary due to the weight. Otherwise you’ll probably just spin the tires in the gravel when pulling the boat out.
 
I've noticed that the original poster, wdr99, posted only this thread in 2016 and not since. Just out of curiosity does anybody know if he bought another boat, non-C-Dory, gave up the idea or what?

This isn't about the thread, but about wdr99. A lot of people seem to have questions about C-Dorys and never get any farther. So I'm curious, what happened in this case?

Boris
 
journey on":359fdvvc said:
I've noticed that the original poster, wdr99, posted only this thread in 2016 and not since. Just out of curiosity does anybody know if he bought another boat, non-C-Dory, gave up the idea or what?

This isn't about the thread, but about wdr99. A lot of people seem to have questions about C-Dorys and never get any farther. So I'm curious, what happened in this case?

Boris
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Boris, looking at wdr99 profile, the only posts which were made were on this thread in 2016. So the conclusion should be, that he either didn't buy a C dory, or does not post which leaves the question unanswered.

I sent wdr99 a PM asking what decision about a C Dory he had come to, or if he had bought another boat. We will see if he answers.
 
Well knowing that the OP hasn't been active since 2016 makes me not worry about "hijacking" the thread!

I do like this thread as a way to discuss the pro's and con's of 16's, 19's, and 22's !
 
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