2004 C Dory Cruiser 22 Price Advise

afglobemaster

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Hey guys, new to the forum, but looking for some advice on an opportunity to purchase a pristine 2004 C Dory 22 Cruiser. Overall the boat is in great condition with little use. I'm trying to gauge what a "good deal" on this boat would be? I like the idea of the of a C Dory, but not positive my wife will adapt to this type of boat With that, I need some wiggle room if I need to sell it in again 1-2 years and not lose much money. I'm also nervous about trying to sell a 12 year old boat at that point.

I've referenced NADA and read the related posts on the subject, but what would you guys be willing to pay for a Cruiser with the extras below?

Any advise is appreciated...Thanks!

Extras
-Engine is a 2008 Honda 90 w/ 94 hours
-Coleman A/C unit on top of cabin
-Honda 2000i generator included
-Raymarine C80
-Lenco Trim Tabs
-Double axle loadrite galvanized trailer
 
What are they asking? NADA pricing is probably way below what these boats sell for. You should look at the boats for sale at the bottom right corner of the C-Brats home page. That low hours Honda is probably fuel injected, which is a good thing. Off the top of my head, with the trim tabs, A/C and double axle trailer I would guess that somewhere in the middle 30's would be a fair price. But, that just a casual guess.
 
My guess is the seller should be asking above $40,000. Check asking prices in those that are currently offered, and those that have previously sold.

See the marketplace area in the forums.
 
You will get little action at 40 grand. 35 or so may be about right for a starting position. Of course, it will depend on how much you are into the boat for and condition, now and a year or two from now.
 
I would take a look at the "Marketplace" section. This is a sub-forum in the same area as the current boats for sale, but shows boats that have sold (or at least were previously listed). So there are many more examples than there are in the current ads. There is no selling price shown (only asking), but it's not too hard to read between the lines to see which boats were attractively priced.

I would never go into a boat purchase expecting to be able to come out "ahead" (or even to break even) if I decided to re-sell. Sure, there is the occasional lucky deal, wherein you can sell later for a profit, but in general a boat is an expenditure (and or a money pit, depending on your point of view!). Personally, I would go for a boat you like and think you have a good chance of enjoying (as I think that is where a boat really "pays you back" -- in enjoyment and experiences), and just plan to lose some money if you decide to re-sell. Don't make a "stupid" purchase and that amount will likely not be huge (but conversely, don't hold out for a profit-making deal; even though they do come up from time-to-time, it's rare, and you generally either just happen to luck out, or you spend a long time to find one, and time can be valuable as well).

That's my view anyway.
 
Thanks for all of the inputs everyone. I'm moving forward on the boat for a sales price of $27,500. Hopefully I have enough fluff built in if it doesn't work out for me and my family, and have to sell in a couple years.

Thanks again for the advice. Look forward to interacting more with everyone once I'm a proud C-Dory owner!
 
afglobemaster":1v95wg9u said:
Thanks for all of the inputs everyone. I'm moving forward on the boat for a sales price of $27,500. Hopefully I have enough fluff built in if it doesn't work out for me and my family, and have to sell in a couple years.

Thanks again for the advice. Look forward to interacting more with everyone once I'm a proud C-Dory owner!

Extras
-Engine is a 2008 Honda 90 w/ 94 hours
-Coleman A/C unit on top of cabin
-Honda 2000i generator included
-Raymarine C80
-Lenco Trim Tabs
-Double axle loadrite galvanized trailer

consider the tandem axle and other accessories I don't think you'll have any trouble unloading the boat in 2 years at a price equal to or higher than your price depending on where you're located. $27.5k sounds quite fair. any other accessories you add (downriggers, custom cover, etc) will just cement the price in place.
 
Even if there are no other electronics, $27,500 is a smoking deal on that boat. The engine is injected with the larger alternator. Generally that combo would be in the 35 to 38 K range--depending on what other options are available. The engine alone is worth 10K.

Welcome to the C Brats!
 
Agreed - if the boat is pristine (as described) and given the other features, you have found one of those rare "steals" right off the bat (wherein a person either is not aware of the typical values, or for some reason just likes to sell things for less than the usual amount). Now you will have the problem of "having" to hang onto it when you know you could make a cool profit by selling :wink

Congrats :thup
 
Even though it appears to be a good deal get a survey. I bought my 2005 boat from an 84 year old guy who always kept the boat covered. I figured survey wasn't needed, particularly since I got a good deal. However when the boat was washed etc, water accumulated under the tank and rotted out part of the deck core. Good luck.
 
Hey guys, slight issue on my purchase. Despite the owner being convinced the motor is a 2008, I cross checked the serial number and it's actually a 2004 that's carborated, instead of fuel injected. Still less than 100 hours, but I'm nervous now about the $27,500 price we agreed on based on a motor 4 years newer...

Pros vs Cons of carborated/older motor?
Less desirable re-sale wise with this motor?

Feel like I should renegotiate or walk away from the deal. If the owner is confused about an important detail like that, what other misinformation could I be getting...
 
Still sounds like a pretty good price but that is a bummer. The older Carbed motor is still a very good one and worth owning for sure but they don't start quite the same. Being 2014, that 2004 motor might need a bit of tlc no matter how low the hours and could use an impeller etc... Knock 500 off the price to pay for a basic tuneup on the older unit.

That's what I would do but I have owned enough carbed motors to trust them more than the average buyer these days.

Still long for a lighter motor though.....
 
I was wondering why the boat had been repowered? Now we know it was not. I have Carburetor‎ version (2006). You have to run the fuel out of the carbs if you are not going to run it for a month or so--and also drain the carbs--not hard to do and only takes a few minutes. The alternator is only16 amps instead of 40 amps. Still a good buy, but not a smoking hot deal. In view of this, I would try and get the price down a few dollars. I am sure it was an honest mistake ?-- but why did he say it was a 2008, if the boat is a 2004. Is he the first owner, or a second/3rd owner?

To put it in prospective, the boat is a decent deal and about where it should be with minimal gear (no kicker, no dinghy, minimal electronics, no camper back etc. If you use it for a few years, and sell it, the history is such that you should expect to still get your money back.
 
I would agree that this this sounds like a pretty good deal, even with the motor being a 2004. Hondas from this period are still very good motors and extremely reliable/desireable. The biggest difference is the need to run all the fuel out of the carbs before storage, or you may have carb issues.

I haven't noticed many 22 cruisers from this vintage for anything less than that asking price if it comes with a good trailer.


A professional marine survey and sea trial may be well worth the expense if your nervous about the purchase.
 
I would not hesitate to buy a 2004 honda Great motor .
But I would have it checked out by a honda mechanic .
With low hours , meaning the motor hasn't been run very much the carbs might need a rebuild .
A sea trial would tell you if that is the case.
27500 for that year of cdory is a good price
 
I, too, was wondering why a pristine 2004 would already have been re-powered. So that mystery is solved.

I bought a 2002 with a carbed engine (Yamaha). I wasn't seeking out a carbed engine, but the boat was just what I wanted in most other ways, and the price was such that I could stash away a "re-power" fund for future use, so I bought it. Who knows, maybe that new-90-that's-the-weight-of-a-70 will come out in the meantime :D

I actually went into the deal sort of "assuming" I would re-power, actually. The motor didn't run well (only had 50 hours on it, so obviously not a lot of use) and I went into the Yamaha dealer in a "please show me your new engines" frame of mind. They (politely) laughed at me, assuring me that there were most likely many, many hours of life left in my engine. They basically ended up saying, "Look, let us tune up and service this engine and then you give it a whirl; if you are not happy with it after that, come trade it in on a new one - always better to sell or trade a well-running engine anyway."

Now, if the price of my boat (or "your" boat) had been the same as the price of one with a newer, injected engine? Well then no, of course not. But mine wasn't (and yours isn't either, from what I can tell, presuming the boat is in the condition stated). So to me it comes down to will you be happy with it? Or will you always feel sort of "ripped" and like you really wanted the injected engine. That is the one difference here: You went into being advertised as a 2008 engine, which would be injected. If you add the price of a re-power to the purchase price, how does it stack up? Somewhere in those factors is a guideline for what to do.

The 16 amp alternator might be an issue, depending on how you run the boat (mine also has a smaller alternator, although I think it's 20 amps). On the other hand, the spread might not be quite as bad as it looks because I think the injected engines use more of those amps to run than the carbed ones do (?). I'm sure the advantage there still goes to the newer engines though.

I've drained the carbs on my Yamaha each time I left it for very long (and I try to leave it with non-ethanol fuel onboard). It's a minor hassle but I don't consider it too big a deal simply because putting the boat away entails all kinds of details and procedures and it's just one more. What I mean is, it's not like I'd just walk away from an injected-engine boat -- there would be many steps I'd take to put that one to bed properly as well, just minus draining the carbs.

One last thing is that it depends on what type of boat owner/shopper you are. I purposely looked for a boat that was as untouched/un-used/un-accessorized as possible. That's because I like to choose my own systems, and then install them my way. I'd rather do that than pay for someone else's used systems and live with their installations, things they put on the bulkheads, etc. OTOH, that takes time and energy (and/or money), so it's not for everyone. But for me, for example, I knew if there were trim tabs on the boat, I'd have to "uninstall them" and then prep the transom core the way I like to, and then re-install them. Given that, I preferred not to pay for them in the price of the boat, and then order brand new ones of just the type I wanted and install them. But everyone is different that way.

I think I may have rambled a bit... I blame the fact that I'm spending the day in a waiting room (erm... I mean "customer lounge") while some vehicle maintenance is being taken care of.

Sunbeam
 
Well, the boat was a 2004, naturally, the motor would most likely be a 2004 unless there had been some major mishap on the original motor. This could be a red flag about the history of the boat that would be far better to check out than worrying about the carb'd motor. Where have the engine hours come from? The owners knowledge, log book, hour meter?

You got wise counsel to have the boat surveyed and provenience established. It has happened frequently in the car, airplane, and boat world that one of those "really good deals" is the result of trying to quickly sell a stolen or hidden damage product. The owner not knowing the year of his motor is a read flag that says to look deeper.

Let the buyer beware.
 
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