2006C Dory 25 for sale in Pensacola for $49,900 unusual int.

thataway

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I happened to find this when looking at pictures of C Dory fittings: It is listed with a reputable broker on Boat Trader. I have never seen this boat around. I can go take a look at it if anyone is interested.

What is unique about it, is that the cabin layout is not standard. There is a large locker, drawer cabinet on the port side aft, and then the dinette is pushed forward, and there is no option for a forward facing "navigator seat" This gives the boat a huge amount of storage. It also has an Engle refer/freezer built on slides under the cabinet, as I had in my Tom Cat. Boat has roof top air conditioning, and solar panel. No windlass,

The down side is that the Honda 135 has 1500 hours, so a re-power might be in order. Of course the seller should have listed it with Wefings!

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Boat Trader ad. I am not recommending or endorsing this boat or its sale, just found it interesting interior, and boat.
 
Good price too. There are some decent mods on there. BoatTrader is such a crappy way to sell a boat though. I've used BoatTrader for all 3 of my C Dory's and had better luck on Craigs and C Brats! Free sites! IMO YachtWorld is the best site but then you'll need a broker to list it for you....
 
South of Heaven":16m17mqk said:
Good price too. There are some decent mods on there. BoatTrader is such a crappy way to sell a boat though. I've used BoatTrader for all 3 of my C Dory's and had better luck on Craigs and C Brats! Free sites! IMO YachtWorld is the best site but then you'll need a broker to list it for you....

When I look at boats I check Yachtworld, Boat Trader, Craigslist and if a C-Dory here so that's where I post them when I sell them (except for yacht world of course as they only post broker's boats). I've always had good success with all three and would rather sell the boats myself and save the commission. I know it's less stress with a broker but I like the control I have by selling myself.
 
thataway":3o0c179d said:
I happened to find this when looking at pictures of C Dory fittings: It is listed with a reputable broker on Boat Trader. I have never seen this boat around. I can go take a look at it if anyone is interested.

What is unique about it, is that the cabin layout is not standard. There is a large locker, drawer cabinet on the port side aft, and then the dinette is pushed forward, and there is no option for a forward facing "navigator seat" This gives the boat a huge amount of storage. It also has an Engle refer/freezer built on slides under the cabinet, as I had in my Tom Cat. Boat has roof top air conditioning, and solar panel. No windlass,

The down side is that the Honda 135 has 1500 hours, so a re-power might be in order. Of course the seller should have listed it with Wefings!

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Boat Trader ad. I am not recommending or endorsing this boat or its sale, just found it interesting interior, and boat.
 
Why is it that everybody gets so scared and thinks the engine needs a repower at 1500 hours? I run four strokes up to 3000 and 4000 hours off shore 60 miles for years chasing blue fin tuna. These engines are safer than your 401k and pay back better than your annuity??? Please be nice
 
bschell":dpaijpga said:
Why is it that everybody gets so scared and thinks the engine needs a repower at 1500 hours? I run four strokes up to 3000 and 4000 hours off shore 60 miles for years chasing blue fin tuna. These engines are safer than your 401k and pay back better than your annuity??? Please be nice

I don't think anyone is scared. But there's a reason why most commercial fishing rigs have diesels. Gas engines are just more prone to longevity issues. Do high hour gas engines exist and run well?? YES! Absolutely. But there's way more diesels.
 
bschell":35fpwatt said:
Why is it that everybody gets so scared and thinks the engine needs a repower at 1500 hours? I run four strokes up to 3000 and 4000 hours off shore 60 miles for years chasing blue fin tuna. These engines are safer than your 401k and pay back better than your annuity??? Please be nice

I believe it depends a lot on how they are run. Unfortunately often recreational boaters do not take care of the engines. Most of the high hour engines I have seen are in commercial use--CG, law enforcement, commercial and high hour recreational fishing, Tow Boat etc. Most of those are run every day--or at least every week. Many had only a few hours at WOT, and many hours at lower speeds--some mostly at idle.

I have a friend who bought a 25 recently with about 800 and some hours--the seller had claimed that the engine was always flushed. The second time he took the boat out--overheat. Final diagnosis, severe corrosion in the passages--the motor was toast.

So this would mean always flushed if in salt water, impellers changed regularly, no silt or sand into the intake, oils changed regularly, run at conservative speeds, and not overly run at WOT.

The reality is unless you tear the engine down--look at the passages, check oil regularly for wear, borescope, do compression tests etc you don't know with any engine. But the chances are that the higher hour engine is going to be more likely to have issues. Obviously bschell is the exception. I have never had an outboard which I had to scrap--and I had a two stroke which had over 2000 hours on it..
 
South Of Heaven, Did I miss a post? who said anything about commercial fishing rigs or diesel engines????? I am talking about PB (private Boaters) C-Brat people.
 
Thataway, You are a mighty presence.... So, how would you argue? would you invest in a 10 year old C-Dory with a Yamaha engine with 100 hours? or, with a 10 year old C-Dory with 1500 hours? You said... most people don't take care of their engines, new or old, high hours or low? Sounds like a roll of the dice? or, better yet just repower!
 
bschell":1b2999ie said:
South Of Heaven, Did I miss a post? who said anything about commercial fishing rigs or diesel engines????? I am talking about PB (private Boaters) C-Brat people.

Okay, I'm onboard with that then. I'd be fine with a high hour 4 stroke from a Brat if I can verify the maintenance. And most times you can get sense of their engine upkeep habits from talking to them.

I picked the brains of all three of the C Dory owners whose boats i bought.....and all 3 were different! Lol
 
bschell":2qrubhsv said:
So, how would you argue? would you invest in a 10 year old C-Dory with a Yamaha engine with 100 hours? or, with a 10 year old C-Dory with 1500 hours? You said... most people don't take care of their engines, new or old, high hours or low? Sounds like a roll of the dice? or, better yet just repower!

This is an excellent point--the average recreational outboard powered boater uses his boat less than 100 hours a year--probably closer to 50. I would feel best with good maintenance records, a clean engine, and basic testing--including a sea trail (My friend declined a sea trial). I bought my current 22 with 74 hours on the engine, at 5 years of age. (It now has close to 400 hours) No fear, There were good records, and the owner used it for a couple of years, and then used it little. I took a chance--sort of. I knew the carburetors had been rebuilt. I ran the engine on muffs.

The outboard with very low hours, has hoses that may need to be replaced, old fuel can ruin injectors as well as plug up carbs. It may not have been cared for either.

I would go for the moderate use, or low use, with records. I hope get over to see this 25 this week--but it is on a broker's lot, so unlikely there will be records. (no I am not buying another 25).

As for the diesels--there are many outboards which are, in commercial use, getting diesel like (more like the high speed diesels, not the old slow common rail, non electronic types) hours of use. But--for my cruising boats, I had slow speed diesels. The Cal 46 I owned had a tear down at 3500 hours, only because of an oil seal leakage (which could have been fixed in the boat). Currently that engine has over 12,000 hours. (after the rebuild) My RV has a slow speed main (average cruising RPM is 1600, generator is an 1800 RPM.) Definitely more longevity in the diesels...now that someone has mentioned them--but many of the light high speed diesels are not getting that longevity.
 
I would bet that the average C-Brat takes better care of their outboard than the other average outboard owner. Just my opinion. Seems like most of our folks are way ahead of the typical boater on the ramp.

Harvey
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I saw this boat over in Panama City 6 or 7 months ago and talks to the owner
I think they were living on it and were working on a sail boat docked next to it that they had just purchased . The Boat looked ok, but well used. I would say fair condition , but still a good price
 
On the flounder boat i have a 2000 honda 90 4s with over 3,100 hours on it. Runs purrfectly, i change the oil, filter and lower fluids myself, every year the impeller, plugs, never run it wide open.

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We had that boat on our lot for a while . And we sold it to the current owners . It needed and appears to have received some TLC since that time .
Marc
 
The boat is on multiple sights. Interesting that the owner took the boat to Pensacola, instead of Wefings--which is closer to Panama City...They turned West, when should have turned East!
 
I dropped by in the rain, as temperatures were dropping. The folks who lived aboard and now have a 33 foot sailboat are living in Pensacola. I know the broker slightly--he is good friends with a neighbor. We looked the boat over. As he said--it is decreased in price because of condition.

The hull looks to be in generally good condition. No obvious dings or defects. There is a dinghy type of starboard mount on the transom for a dinghy motor--I would not use it to push the boat. There was a piece of plywood, which had been glassed over in the splash well, between the cockpit and transom, which had holes cut out to hold the Honda EU 2000, and run the generator when at sea for air-conditioning. This board was broken, cracked and dangerous. Broker said he was going to remove it.

The boat was moldy inside. Really moldy....Odor was almost overwhelming. The upholstery needed total replacement--as well as the foam (OK maybe the cockpit cushions were OK...They might clean up--but I suspect mold in the foam also. There were some innovative items. The chest refer under the helm seat, it did slide out and could be usable. The boat did have an auto pilot--with a wireless system. windlass, good Fortress 11 Anchor! The air conditioner was OK--but whoever installed it did not use any wood to brace the sides around the opening, which I feel should be done. The 110 system appears to be non standard. There was a switch, in linen the 110 V line to the water heater. That would not stand survey. (It was sort of taped on the top of the vinyl sheathed 3 wire cable.) The inverter did not seem to meet ABYC standards. From what I could see the rest of the wiring was OK---but I would really want to detail its path and that proper fittings were used. The water tank was amidships aft--looked to be close to 25 gallons. There was another tank on the starboard side aft, under the splash well/seats. It appeared to be metal, with a lip on the top--there was a battery sitting openly on it, and there was what appeared to be a fuel pickup and vent lines (3/16" to 1/4" size), but we could not find the fill. I wondered if it was an auxiliary fuel, for a kicker or if it had been a kerosene or diesel tank for a heater in the past? What bothered me, was that there was a 1x4 board forward of this tank. This was supported by an angle iron piece (May have been Stainless Steel) which 2 screws screwed into the bottom of the hull and two into the board aft of the angle iron. There was about 3" of water over that fitting. It did not appear to be well sealed, or that there had been no attempt to make an epoxy plug. If anyone buys this boat, that and the bottom of the hull need to be very closely inspected. For the most part the cockpit deck seemed to be intact. I pulled the hatches, and access ports--no obvious core rot--but on the port side, I would want to do moisture readings and more careful soundings. These deck hatches leak as usual.

The fuel tank was said to be original. It was not easy to access to check for corrosion. The bilge pump in the cabin was small, but intact. I didn't access the shower sump, but hose looked intact. Head was odorous...The macerator pump and Y valve were under the galley.

The unusual port side configuration--was unusual! There was a hanging locker aft, with the battery charger on the aft side, and the inverter on the forward side; no real hanging rod for clothes. There was a set of drawers in the next cabinet. The broker felt this was factory--I felt that a skilled craftsman modified the factory design. The water heater took up the space under the aft seat (which seemed a little smaller than normal.) The table was pedestal mounted. The area under the dinette, was about 10" high, and only a small access rectangle forward of the table post was accessible. There was the majority of this space which was not obviously accessible. (Smuggling?--or hidden access under drawers?) The forward seat had a small door to access the area above the base (same for the aft dinette seat). There was a rope type handle on the base on the base of of the front seat--and pulling on it pulled the seat aft--like the Barber confession of the 22 seats--but the table did not fold, there was not obvious lock on the seat--and it would have been tight with the forward seat aft--because its path would only be about 15" or less until it was blocked by the base of the table. The V berth was fairly conventional, but there were some increased shelf space. There was also some nice custom cabinetry up high forward over the helm and dinette. The custom work which had been done was nicely accomplished, not dinged up--but the teak (and whole boat) needed cleaning.

The solar panel appeared to be charging and there was a TV antenna, with a flip down small (19") TV.

My personal opinion was that even at the current price, the boat was over priced. There is the unknown engine condition. (It may run another 1500 hours)--but if the boat is not kept up--often the engine......may not have been. I would factor in the cost of new upholstery, and a really good cleaning, plus a factor so you are not hurt too badly with the engine. There are some nice features, and in some ways this is an improvement on the factory layout--I don't think the dinette could effectively be used as a bunk--but I may be wrong about that.

Perhaps the most worrisome unknown factor (beside the engine, which could be tested), is the two large screws holding the angle iron into the floor, constantly covered with water. if damage were not present or localized, then it could be easily repaired. However, if the damage spread under the grid around the fuel tank it would mean an extensive repair (and I don't know the extent, if any, of that problem.) Is this something the average surveyor would pick up on--probably not.....There is also this strange extra tank--not water, or holding.

I am not knocking the boat, but If a C Brat is interested, than I would want answers to the above questions. If I am in town when someone comes to look at the boat , I would be willing to help then delve further into the floor and other issues...I only spent about 30 minutes on the boat--but would spend another hour or two, plus sea trail before I purchase.
 
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