2018 Marinaut find (east coast)

I'm going to jump out on a limb--I suspect that this may be an uncompleted boat currently??? The area code in the ad is Sarasota--the area where Ricardo was going to open his "Plant" to build the Cape Dory boats--also the Marinauts...

Certainly there were no 2018 boats built in Washington state.

As Ssobol notes there are photos of a number of boats. The ad says "add in" bulkhead, galley etc...

I am not sure if there was a hull which went with the molds, which Ricardo transported to Sarasota--but suspect that there is now one made in 2018 which is not complete yet. When he visited with us last summer, there was a plan to have a boat built by November 2018. I have not heard anything since last summer.
 
My thoughts were exactly what Bob just said. Maybe Ricardo will check in here soon. I sent him an email last October through this site but he has not responded.

Wish him well - price seems good although not sure what exactly it includes.

The first picture of red boat with Cape Dory name looks like it may be the one for sale<?? The contact name with the phone number is Carlos.

Regards,

Rob
 
The Dark blue hull, red stripe and large round portlight, shown with a black Mercury OB and doing the sweeping curve at speed are pix of the original Marinaut, and are photos I took. That boat has way more than 3 hours on it and was billed as the Marinaut 215. That is OG Dave giving us the wave after several passes for the pix back in Sept of 2010.

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Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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it is a very stupid ad with no purpose except to draw someone in..

no engine spec in fact nothing spec'd and a bunch of pictures of other peoples boats.

In fact I suspect the picture of the red boat is doctored as it "says" cape dory on the side but it is the pacific northwest in the background not florida. port side cabin window looks doctored also.

Scam alert! a hull with no engine, trailer or guts worth 50 K ??
 
It's fairly common for people to create Craig's list ad using other peoples photos in order to scam people out of money. I'd be VERY wary about this ad.
 
My guess is that there is not a complete 3-hour boat available for that price. This seems like a dealer ad awkwardly presented as a used boat for sale.
 
South of Heaven":11krvt70 said:
Pandion":11krvt70 said:
I just emailed the ad's owner and asked for more info. Let's see what comes back.
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You could call him too.
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Yes, but email gets it in print.

I had a picture of my boat show up in a craigs list add one time. Scared the c@*! out of me. A kind C-BRAT sent me the notification, and it took me about 4 days to get it all sorted out. Exactly, some guy had a friend do an add for him, and the friend copied the photo from the C-BRAT site. Made me mad that he just stole the photo, and glad that he liked my picture so much.

I think Scam is a nice way of putting it.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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hardee" Made me mad that he just stole the photo said:
Harvey, the childs pic in my album titled "Spring commissioning time" is Dominique - my cousins grandson. This pic was copied from their family pics on Facebook without any permission given. It has been viewed millions of times many different places with many different captions. Facebook claims there is nothing they can do because of their Facebook "settings".


Regards,


Rob
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If there is a picture of my boat on Facebook, it was stolen (most likely).

I am NOT ONE of the 48 (or 84) million (whichever it is -- I forgot :roll: :lol:

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Robert H. Wilkinson":2yjzfcg3 said:
This pic was copied from their family pics on Facebook without any permission given.
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Actually, if the public was able to view the image, then, it is my understanding that, from a legal standpoint, implicit permission was given when the photo was posted, because the Facebook account was public. There is no legal recourse for the use of public un-copyrighted material. It's very easy to make things private on Facebook, and settings clearly state what things are public or private.

Unfortunately many people go online with a degree of naivety that is understandable, but dangerous nonetheless. IMO Facebook should emphasize the consequences of public settings at the outset, when the account is set up. OTOH there are thousands of public forums, like this one, that assume that people realize what public means, and that they will think before they post.

If you don't want viewers of a public forum to have the right to copy your images, then you must register the image with the U.S. Copyright Office before you post the image in a public place. If you have done so, you have legal recourse to sue, and no end of attorneys willing to take the case pro bono, because U.S. copyright law requires the offender to pay court and attorney fees, in addition to damages.
 
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If you don't want viewers of a public forum to have the right to copy your images, then you must register the image with the U.S. Copyright Office before you post the image in a public place. If you have done so, you have legal recourse to sue, and no end of attorneys willing to take the case pro bono, because U.S. copyright law requires the offender to pay court and attorney fees, in addition to damages.
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You have to show that you suffered some sort of economic harm to make the infringement case worth pursuing. Just because a few of your snapshots were used by someone else, doesn't mean you have a case that is worth the trouble.

Infringement case only really works for professional photographers, graphic artists, etc.
 
Pandion":1vnowcxw said:
I just emailed the ad's owner and asked for more info. Let's see what comes back.
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The seller, Ricardo, sent me a thoughtful, responsive email, a couple of days ago. Sorry I wasn't able to post it sooner. Ricardo wrote:

Thank you Andy,

While we are moving forward with all aspects of Cape Dory Cruisers and certainly the Cape Dory 220 Marinaut Pilot House Cruiser the process does take time and we are purposely taking the necessary time to assure that we produce top quality boats and timely deliveries. Regardless of what occurs the availability of any of the Cape Dory Cruisers will be limited.

We have purchase orders from select dealers and interest from retail customers as well. No matter where in the US boats are produced virtually every manufacturer is having difficulty finding employees. We have established a platform to begin manufacturing and hopefully to start delivering 2020 model year boats starting in July.

In previous years we were able to start producing 2020 model year boats earlier and ship as early as May-June. We recently learned however that the Coast Guard and NMMA changed the rules and now all manufacturers must wait until July 1 to ship 2020 boats. The boats may be started at any time but shipments must wait until the July 1 ruling date.

In actuality, we had planned to start producing and shipping in May-June and only recently learned of the new change by the Coast Guard and NMMA. All of this is fine as our consistent plan with Cape Dory is to take the necessary time and certainly not rush the production of the boats to be sure to maintain the quality and integrity of the brand.

In addition, the dealers that we are establishing and are in communication are not just long time business associates over several "decades" but personal and trusted friends. It is important that we proceed with the utmost caution and be sure to "Under Promise, and Over Deliver".

While we were planning our production over the last year we had a boat specified by a preferred customer and dealer and had permission to sell the boat directly if an opportunity was developed. Because of this we ran an ad in Craig's List to do some preliminary marketing and perhaps generate some "pre-sales". It is a common practice amongst boat manufacturers to market new model boats and generate pre-sales.

In fact, this is what Les did when he started the original Marinaut program. Les was able to actually sell 8 to 10 boats throughout North America with just internet and "word of mouth" advertising. A lot of which occurred through the C-Brats.

Our plans for the first quarter of 2019 were also shifted due to a late decision to attend the Miami Boat show and present our Cape Dory Catamarans that have been established as an imported product line along with Cape Dory Trawlers that are being manufactured in China. While the platforms for these products has been established this is also somewhat delayed due to Mr. Trumps 10% tariffs that he imposed last fall on China produced boats.. (See Attached Press Release from IBI and Soundings Only). While we are committed to manufacture the smaller boats here in America our other business activities help support the entire Cape Dory and other projects that we sometimes become involved.(See: madisonbayholdings.com)

I appreciate you reaching out and will send you and update at a later date. While I certainly respect and have had the pleasure to meet several of the C-Brats I have only made one post as I prefer to wait until we have more momentum and our operations are at a more advanced level. At that point we will look forward to keeping the C-Brats informed and hopefully becoming more active in the rendezvous and other events.

Kind Regards,

Ricardo
 
Quote from Ricardo's letter:

"In fact, this is what Les did when he started the original Marinaut program. Les was able to actually sell 8 to 10 boats throughout North America with just internet and "word of mouth" advertising. A lot of which occurred through the C-Brats. "
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Less was able to do that because of his reputation with C-Dory owners, his presence here on C-BRATS, and his relationship with "OG" Dave Johnston(sp).

Hoping for a good future for Marinaut.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
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