22 cruiser Repower?

[texasair]

Will be repowering a 22 cruiser soon. Leaning towards Yamaha due to great local dealer support.

Are the 22 cruiser owners satisfied with the performance of a single 90 pushing a heavily equipped and loaded boat?
or do you sometimes wish for a bit more horsepower?

There is not a big price or weight difference between the 90 and the 115 and I would welcome input.

Thanks,

Tex and Sharon

 

[nimrod]

My 22 has a 115 Yamaha. It's my first C-dory and I've only owned it for a couple months, so I don't have anything to compare to. The previous owner was very happy with the performance. And like you, noted the insignificant difference in price/weight from the 90. If you search the threads for posts by "fireguy" you can read what he had to say about it while he owned it.

 

[20dauntless]

I"ve got a single Honda BF90D and it's great. We've had six people, two golden retrievers, full fuel, and all the food and gear we need for a weekend at the cabin and the 90 has been plenty adequate.

 

[Sneaks]

Like the Jenny B, Chris's Rana Verde is powered by a 75 Yamaha. He cruised all the way to Alaska with El and Bill, and never had a problem or a wish for higher power. I can't imagine "needing" more than 90 hp, given the fact that the C-Dory isn't a ski boat and doesn't really need to get up out of the hole any faster than it already does.

Don

 

[C-Hawk]

Having had twin 40s on my 2002 CD22, I now have a single 90 on my 2008 CD22---- wish I had gone with twin 50s.
The twins handle a lot better than the single.
The 90 has plenty of power.

Just my thoughts on it.

 

[20dauntless]

I'd love to hear some more details on the twins vs single handling.

 

[hardee]

"I'd love to hear some more details on the twins vs single handling."

Now there is an invite that could get things going. Katie bar the door. :twisted: There are multiple discussions on that subject here. Do a search (top of the page, click on Search, and put in "twins AND single") and there should be enough to keep you reading for the rest of the day.

I have twin 40 Yami's and, except for the mechanics fees, love the twins. I would go with twin 50's, for EFI and just a sneak more power. I enjoy the low speed maneuverability the twins afford, and the redundancy. There are tons of arguments for singles, and for twins. Also, tons of arguments against singles and twins. It comes down to personal preference for sure.

BTW I put the boat plug in from the outside too :smiled

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[20dauntless]

Harvey, I have read a whole bunch on the singles vs twin debate and most of the discussion centers around redundancy, speed, and fuel economy it seems. Roger's comments about the handling were what piqued my interest...does he mean at speed or around the docks? I understand the handling differences around the dock, and am curious about how differently they handle at speed.

 

[Dreamer]

I've always been of the "You can never have too much horsepower" persuasion, so a 115 sounds good to me. In checking the specs, I found the Suzuki to be about 90 lbs lighter and it has a 40 amp alternator versus a 25 amp for the Yamaha. Dependable local service has a lot to be said for it however. There is a preponderance of Yamaha's in the Northern Vancouver Island area just for that reason.

 

[texasair]

The specs I looked at have the yamaha 115 at 414 lbs and the Suzuki at 416 lbs. The Honda 115 is 496.

Interestingly a pair of 50 yammers weigh 474
and a pair of honda 50's weigh 428.

But a pair of the 50's is quite a bit more money than a 90 or 115.

 

[Doryman]

The specs I looked at have the yamaha 115 at 414 lbs and the Suzuki at 416 lbs. The Honda 115 is 496.

Interestingly a pair of 50 yammers weigh 474
and a pair of honda 50's weigh 428.

But a pair of the 50's is quite a bit more money than a 90 or 115.

I suspect that a pair of 50s will cost and weigh about the same as a 115 plus a 8 or 9.9 kicker.

Can anyone with modern (i.e., fuel injected) twin 50s please tell me how slow they can troll with them? Which manufacturer?

Warren

 

[Byrdman]

So Warren....are you about to go 50's on your TC255? Sweet. I spent much of my time on my TC24 with the autopilot on, both motors just in forward.

Slow speed (displacement...6-8 knot range) on my boats with twins vs singles....the twins "handle" better when using the auto pilot. That means the wind and currents do not blow them off a nice straight line track with twin screws in the water. Now, if the price difference of the maintenance/purchase is going to make or break you getting the boat, stick a 25 hp on there and enjoy some boating and upgrade when times are better. Interesting statement on another thread about something similar.

Now, my brother Mike and B are on GYPSY right now with an older, still carbureted 90hp Yamaha....loaded to the max...doing the Great Loop. IN FL somewhere now...should hear back soon. Prior to taking off put about 500-600 hours a year on this very same motor... Many, many carefree hours on this faithful motor.

That is one of the good things about the C-Dory hull design is that it does not take a lot of horsepower... some of us just like a lot. Some of us boat by the days, others by the hour. Just go boating!!!

Good luck in what ever re-power choice YOU make based on how YOU like to rig out and use YOUR boat. Life is just too short for one boat set up.

Byrdman

 

[hardee]

Since I have only had twins, I can't compare the handling at speed to a single on my boat. Although I have driven a friends, JC Lately, a 22 Cruiser with a 90 single, and I have not noticed any significant difference at speed. On a high speed, sharp turn, I know there is less chance of aeriating a prop (cavitating), with a single than a twin on the high side of the turn. I have tried steering, at planing speeds, with just using the trim tabs, and weight transfer, to simulate a steering system shutdown. It worked pretty well, and then at slow speeds, the throttle differental, or forward/reverse thrusts make steering control accurate and fun.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[Doryman]

So Warren....are you about to go 50's on your TC255? Sweet. I spent much of my time on my TC24 with the autopilot on, both motors just in forward.

No, I have Yamaha 150s on my TC255 and am quite happy with them.

Eventually I will repower my 22 which now has dual non-FI Honda 40s. Originally I was thinking 115 + kicker but now I am reconsidering dual 50s, probably Suzuki. The big issue for me is whether I can go slow enough on one 50. Hence my question. I have read so many complaints here about the Honda 40s, but I need to get the boat in the water and see for myself.

Warren

 

[Matt Gurnsey]

If twin Suzuki's may be in the future, be aware that Suzuki has shown their new 40 and 50 to the press at Miami, and next year will release them to the public. They will be built on the new DF60 platform, sow ill be lighter. I've run our skiff with a DF60, and it is a nice running engine. It's weird starting it, as the starter is electronically controlled, but I could get used to it. (You turn the switch to "start", and then let go. The engine cranks until it starts.)

 

[Jazzmanic]

I've said this before, I'll say it again. We love our Suzuki 90hp anad 9.9hp kicker combination. The 90 is a brute and never bogs down despite our tendancy to load heavily. It starts every time, runs smoothly and even trolls nicely.

We are fortunate that we have a good dealer network in Western Washington so that has never been an issue. Also, the newer Suzi 90's are lighter than our 2006 if that's a concern.

 

[Wefings]

Matt, Ill have my first one in a couple days [new Suz.60] Looking forward to seeing how it runs .
Marc

 

[dotnmarty]

I have read so many complaints here about the Honda 40s

Warren

Really? Can you direct me to some of those? I don't doubt what you said, it's just that I have a trouble free Honda 40 and would like a heads up on other's issues. Thanks.

 

[Doryman]

I have read so many complaints here about the Honda 40s

Warren

Really? Can you direct me to some of those? I don't doubt what you said, it's just that I have a trouble free Honda 40 and would like a heads up on other's issues. Thanks.

Here is one:

http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t=8250

But more importantly, I don't like the idea of having to deal with situations like this:

There are a few things to look at here. If the motor is idling rough after warming up odds are that one of the carbs has the idle circuit plugged or the choke is sticking closed. On the other hand you could also have a vacumn leak that only shows up on a warm engine causing it to run lean. Finally you might have an electrical problem with a coil or plug wire that has carbon tracks and it is only a problem in a warmed up state.

My guess is that it is a plugged idle circuit on one of the carbs. This is a typical problem these days as the idle circuits seem very easy to plug on some Honda's (IE: My mid 80's 7.5 plugs up every 2 weeks).

Take a can of carb cleaner with you next time you have the boat out. Then when you start having the problem take the engine cover off and spray down the intake runner, exterior of the carb and all gaskets in the intake system. If the engine speed picks up or the motor smooths out you have found a vacumn leak that needs to be taken care of. If nothing can be found this way then you likely don't have a vacumn leak and it is likely the idle circuit of the carb that is plugged (or more likely partially plugged).
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Gary Johnson
KB7NFG

Seems like the 40s are like the old MGs with the SU carbs that you had to synchronize, etc. With a modern EFI motor, yes, when it fails it is probably beyond the ability of a shadetree mechanic to fix, but I have seen many posts attesting to the reliability of these newer motors.

Warren

 

[T.R. Bauer]

I have read so many complaints here about the Honda 40s

Warren

Really? Can you direct me to some of those? I don't doubt what you said, it's just that I have a trouble free Honda 40 and would like a heads up on other's issues. Thanks.

I've read about a million posts about Honda 35, 40, 45, and 50 hp engines and all I remember is praise.....I have heard of carb troubles on all carb aspirated engines, and the honda has them too, but as far as a specific trouble area, none comes to mind.