22 ft. Hunky Dory, Less money

I want to correct one of my own misimpressions - namely any comparison between raw water cooled inboards and outboards. Someone pointed out on another site that an inboard, which is basically just a car engine, is not designed with any resistance to salt water corrosion - no anodes, and no stainless steel cooling system parts.

In addition, my limited research so far shows that there is no real consensus on the life expectancy of an outboard. Some say the 2 cycle is better suited to the constant high speed running typical of marine use, and packs more punch out of the hole. But, an equal and opposite number of folks seem to think the commercial market is going all 4-stroke for long life.

Honda says the 4-stroke is more durable on their website. I guess they haven't been popular long enough that anyone can prove them right or wrong.

So, it's kinda like this . . . :roll:
 
I went to Eastpoint, Florida to see the "Hunky Dory". Nice boat! It is indeed in good shape. The hull has virtually no marks on it, and the interior with a little cleaning of the cushions, will look new. Any reservations I had about the weight of the custom made rack was dispelled by just looking at it. The weight is completely inconsequential. I cannot imagine it affecting the performance of the boat in any kind of conditions.

The electronics were very well installed. What I mean is that it is evident there was a lot of thought invested in placement of the screens and wiring. The entire thing is just as advertised, with the canvas in good shape, carpets for the interior, cockpit flooring, windlass, etc. The only things I thought needed replacement were the trailer tires, and a couple of friction pads on the molded side steps in the cockpit.

I was a little disappointed that the stainless on the upper rack has that faint rust stain indicative of exposure to salt water. It detracts from the boat's appearance, but not seriously so. The clamshell storage unit that appears in some of the advertisement photos is not there, and the downriggers are of course gone as well.

I spent considerable time talking to Wefing's head mechanic, Lee, who convinced me that he is very knowledgeable about the Honda motors. By the way, the hour meters say 1,000 and 1,200 hours, which is a bit more than I previously reported. However, after talking to Lee, I'm convinced that if the motors are compression and compression leak tested, the buyer would know if they are going to last another 1,000 hours or need replacement.

Despite my good impressions, and overall the boat looks very cool - I'd say "outfitted" is a good word - my wife and I came to the conclusion that it wasn't for us. In fact, we decided that the 22 cruiser design wasn't for us. Keep in mind I've got two boys in their early 20's and a stepdaughter in her early teens. There just wasn't room for the occasional whole-family travel we want to do. Plus, and here's my bias coming into play, I didn't like being so far away from the outside at the helm.

My previous boat was no prize, but those experiences piloting her are now part of my expectations. When piloting a boat, I just want to be OUTSIDE. You just ain't outside in a 22 cruiser. You're in a micro bus. For cold weather or rainy travel, ok. But, for summertime use on Lake Powell or in the sweltering south, I don't see it in my personal future.

The monkey wrench has been thrown. I've spent gobs of time researching the characteristics of the C-Dory and man it's got the right stuff. So, we spent some time on the 22 Angler and frankly, I got kinda excited about getting one and having a camper back to give me the indoors when desired, and removable when not.

And, I'm gonna admit that I liked the 23' Maritime Challenger too that Wefings had. They really have an excellent selection of boats! That big deep cuddy, 7 feet long, 4.5 feet high, rounded bow, and the Boston Whaler type flared bow hull. Pretty cool! C-Heresey! It's a gas eater no doubt, but still it claims to weigh in at less than the 25 C-Dory cruiser and to plane at 12 knots.

So, my research isn't over, and it'll be more time spent reading and traveling before the task is done. Speaking of travel, don't do what I did getting to Wefings. Fly in to Tallahassee. Don't drive from Pensacola past every brand new beach condo in America, where the only road is lined with attentive law enforcement officers and the speed limit changes back and forth almost as often as you see a Waffle House, but seems like it never exceeds 45 miles an hour.

I hope somebody takes the opportunity now to check out the Hunky Dory. It's a great deal!

- Bill -
 
Great Description and analysis. Interesting that we wanted a pilot house boat for the summer at Powell and in the deep South--for the sun protection. Opening the windows gives plenty of air flow--and we find it more suitable than an express cruiser. (Where you are outside). There is definately more room in the CD 25 or TC 255--less of the "microbus effect"

Honda 4 strokes have been around for quite some time. Some of the early ones had problems with corrosion, but were definately longer lived than the two strokes. I once met a fisherman who put two 200 hp two strokes on his 63 foot fishing boat (narrow beam)--he couldn't afford the diesels that year, but figured that running hard that the outboards would last one or two seasons.
 
Bill, great posts , thanks for the good words ! As much as we want to sell boats , we want to sell the right boat for a customer's needs . No worries on the deposit .Hopefully we have something that is right for you . We appreciate the time you spent with us , and I especially am happy that you enjoyed our ecclectic collection of great boats and met my great staff.
Marc Grove
 
After years of being outside in the cockpit of various sailboats, we are delighted to be in the protection of the cabin of our C-Dory. It does a great job of keeping the sun off us (much better than the bimini on our sailboat), and with the windows open provides plenty of cooling breeze. I originally had some concerns about getting from the helm to the cockpit when docking, but it has been no problem (at taller docks, I just reach out the cabin window 8) ). Different strokes, but the protection that cabin offers (from cold and rain as well as the sun) allows us to be "out there" even more.

A couple hours in inclement weather is convincing... sometimes it takes a couple DAYS to discover how refreshed you are when out of the sun! :wink

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
wthattny":3obzdecn said:
In addition, my limited research so far shows that there is no real consensus on the life expectancy of an outboard. Some say the 2 cycle is better suited to the constant high speed running typical of marine use, and packs more punch out of the hole. But, an equal and opposite number of folks seem to think the commercial market is going all 4-stroke for long life.

Honda says the 4-stroke is more durable on their website. I guess they haven't been popular long enough that anyone can prove them right or wrong.

So, it's kinda like this . . . :roll:

Hi Bill,

You're looking (or hoping to find) an answer that isn't there. With the exception of a very few "old school" 2-stokes being manufacturered all of the newer engines are miles ahead in engineering, realiability, and logivitiy than ever before.

We've been a Honda dealer for over 12 years now. We took on Bombardier 5 years ago to get the Johnson 4-strokes (Suzuki engines) to get some sizes Honda didn't (and doesn't) have. They went away when the E-TEC engine went over big time and we very reluctantly brought a couple of E90's in; as far as I was concerned if it burned oil first time out of the crate it was broken when they shipped it. I couldn't have been more wrong; for us they've turned out to be outstanding engines.

These days I believe if you're looking at new engines it's far more important to choose based on application, hull design, and service support (read...dealer reputation and availability) than to get hung up on specific brands or technologies. And there are regional differences; so research what's working in your area.

If looking at used engines, older carbureted 2-strokes are the most suspect. They have the highest probability of having been subjected to misuse or neglect. Why? They typically require more user intervention and they were not built to modern standards. The industry average life for a carbureted 2-stroke is 800 to 1200 hours and the average turn-over rate was 5 to 7 years (how often they were replaced). There are many exceptions (both high and low) to get those numbers. The average life on 4-strokes has climbed to 2000 to 3000 hours with smaller engines on the lower side and some of the larger engines with twice as many. Partly it's because most 4-stroke designs are newer and take advantage of better engineering (read, experience), partly it's because the operator has less chance to mess things up since the engine runs on straight gas and only requires periodic oil changes.

The new technology 2-strokes are wholly different beasts than their older cousins. I really wish they'd come up with a different designation since they are so different. Most don't share anything with their predecessors other than making power in two cycles.

I'd write more but I'm out of time (work calls). There are so many variables to this that it's impossible to make specific recommendations. It's quite posssible to get an older technology 2-stroke that's been lovingly maintained that's in better shape than a much newer 4-stroke that's been thrashed. The best we can do except with regard to a specific boat and engine combo is to indicate very generalized trends.

And by the way, Honda has been selling 4-stroke engines in the U.S. for thirty years now. The 35 and 45 have been on the market for almost 20 years; they're still sold today in almost unchanged form as the BF40 and BF50. The BF90 has been selling for over 10 years; I have one customer that has over 8,000 hours on his twin BF90s. I'd say there's been ample time to prove or disprove the product. Not to mention the track record of Yamaha and Suzuki four strokes. Still, there's a reason a lot of transoms around here get E-TECs bolted onto them...at the end of the day it's horses for courses.
 
WOW. THis is a tuff, nicely taken care of and loved boat hull and accesory package. OK....the bankers are not able to look in their little books and justify the cost of this boat, but those with cash or other finacial means have a great opportunity for a great boat here.

Good call in backing off if you felt it was not the boat for you. Too many folks get caught up in "new-to-me-boat-itus".... and end up with a boat from the git-go that they are not pleased with.

Keep on looking and riding and shopping.

Others wanting a tricked out CD22 really need to look at Darryl's CD22 he used and loved so much. Then compair it to what is being sold on the new market...and this boat really takes on a new life of it's own.

Byrdman
 
Good to read your report on the boat, even though I'd still disagree with you on the weight of the rack on top (there's a reason C-Dorys don't have a fly bridge option :wink: ).

If you want more boat for about the same money, I think there are some nice older Albin cruisers out there. The older family cruisers (25 and 27) are displacement trawlers and much slower than a c-dory, but bigger and more fuel efficient. The newer 28s and 30s are faster but burn lots more fuel.
 
Thanks for all the positive energy, guys. You can imagine my disappointment after being so totally sold on the 22 cruiser and the Hunky Dory in particular. Really blew me away. Took my wife down there with me. It was a long trip back to Denver.

Now, I'm faced with trying to duplicate as closely as possible the C-Dory characteristics in a larger design. It's pretty tough!

Right now, I'm focused on the 23' Maritime Challenger because of its extraordinary light weight (3,025 lbs), shallow dead rise at the transom, and Boston Whaler type bow. It claims to plane at 12 mph (not the 12 knots I previously said), with about 3 mpg fuel consumption. So, compared to the 4 mpg achievable with either of the C-Dory cruisers, it's quite a sacrifice in economy.

The other option I'm considering is the Palmer Marine 220NT "Defiance", made in Washington State. Like the Challenger, it's a brand new boat, but it costs considerably less. Both are single engine only designs. Maritime goes so far as to say they don't like folks mounting a kicker. Well, I've been stranded before, actually more than once in my old Wellcraft, and it gives you a funny feeling you don't like to repeat.

So, you C-Dory cruiser "brats" can see just how lucky and smart you are!

I'm almost certain to buy the Maritime, for a couple of reasons. Again, I need the room for my own not-so-little-anymore kiddos. And, I gotta admit, the new availability of a galley add-on (courtesy of a recent buyer's request) makes it much closer to our quest for, basically, a large C-Dory Angler. Wefings has outfitted it with radar, gps, vhs marine and depth finder, all of which appeals to us - especially after studying Darrell's highly customized "Hunky Dory".

By the way, I'm told somebody is jumping on the opportunity left by my screw up and is zooming down to buy Captd's boat. Ya snooze ya lose!

On the subject of engines, Les' comments are well taken. The more I study, the more I learn just how far outboard technology has come during my 20-year absence. By the way, talked to the head guy at Great Lakes Marine here in Denver, who outfits all the Colorado lake patrols, and he said they lost several Honda outboards due to clogging of the cooling systems by sand, resulting in blown powerheads. He said the cooling ducts on the Hondas are a bit smaller than on some other outboards. So, watch out you Honda owners.

Carl's comment is also well taken, at least I agree the thought of sitting in that pin seat on top of Darrell's rack didn't look like a good idea. Gee, I hope he wasn't thinking of fishing from up there!

Whatever the outcome, and I hope it is soon, I would like to say that I've never seen such a great community of folks as the C-Brats. If I can't be a C-Dory guy, at least I'd like to see you on the water sometime.

- Bill -
 
By the way, talked to the head guy at Great Lakes Marine here in Denver, who outfits all the Colorado lake patrols, and he said they lost several Honda outboards due to clogging of the cooling systems by sand, . . .

Hmm, well I guess Colorado might have some lakes, might be pretty good lakes, but they are not Great Lakes. :)

(On the other hand we have something called Porcupine Mountains, they're not).

Regards,

Mark
 
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