A C-Dory History Lesson

Pat Anderson

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It was clear to me in the thread complaining about the inaccuracy of the weights listed on the C-Dory website that some C-Brats could benefit from a little history lesson. It so happens that I wrote that history in a Nor'westing Magazine article in 2011. I think you will find it worth your time to read it from start to finish to understand where your C-Dory came from, and depending on the year, who built it and was solely responsible for its warranty. It may also be interesting to learn of the connection between C-Dory and Ranger through Jeff Messmer, but that is kind of a side story.

This is not legal advice - it is just a general explanation, so nobody should think I am advising them specifically. ALL sales of "C-Dory" were ASSET sales by a failing company. They were NOT STOCK sales of an on-going company. That means the new owners did not buy "the company," but only molds, tooling, inventory of materials, other tangible property, and probably some intellectual property assets. But most importantly, in an asset sale, the buyer does not assume the LIABILITIES of the prior owner unless they are specifically assumed by contract, and is not responsible for the prior owner's wrongful actions, if any.

The sequence of owners is Roy Toland, Inc. (Toland) -> C-Dory, Inc. (Reynolds) -> Fluid Marine, LLC (forgot the principal's name) -> Sea Sport (Lindhout) -> Triton Marine Industries (Lindout again) -> Northwest Marine Industries or NMI (Wrights, the original owners of Sea Sport).

NONE OF THESE PERFORMED WARRANTY WORK ON C-DORYS BUILT BY ANY PRIOR COMPANY, AND NONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT ANY PRIOR COMPANY DID, INCLUDING THE INACCURATE BOAT WEIGHTS ON THE SO-CALLED "C-Dory" WEBSITE. The website was created by the Reynolds, and it has remained essentially unmaintained since the Reynolds to Fluid Marine, LLC, asset sale.

So the sequence above is not quite complete in this article, because it ended with Triton Marine (the Lindhouts), who had purchased Sea Sport from the Wrights and combined it with the C-Dory line of boats under the name Triton Marine. If I were to update the article (can't because Nor'westing is now gone too), I would document how the Lindhouts and Triton Marine flamed out as well.

We should all be thankful that somehow (actually we know it was litigation between the Wrights and the Lindouts), Sea Sport and C-Dory ended up back in the hands of the Wrights, Ron Wright the dad, Mark Wright the son, and son-in-law Ryan Binning, principals of the current NMI. I believe they are building the best boats C-Dory has ever built. Unfortunately, they too think they are only manufacturers not marketers, however, they are much more willing to communicate with C-Dory owners, witness their opening up the factory to conduct factory tours for the Bellingham CBGT.

So there you have it, for what it's worth, my $0.02 worth. So you will know, we have owned a C-Dory for 14 years. We bought our first C-Dory, a CD22 Cruiser from the Reynolds in 2003, and our current boat, Daydream, a CD25, from the Reynolds as well, a three-fer CD25 purchase, Andersons (Daydream), McKibbens (Anna Leigh), and Marinsons (Laurna Jo), negotiated with Jeff Messmer. Nor'Westing incorrectly identified the third purchaser as Bill and El Fiero, but the Fieros and Halcyon are a whole other history lesson!
 
This is great. I recall reading that the C-Dory business changed hands, but seeing this compiled in one place is really appreciated. Nice work Pat in documenting all of this, and safe cruising on your 'great loop adventure'.
Regards,
Jack Howell
 
Thanks! Every C-Dory owner should know a little about the various owners of the company, and you can follow the timeline to see who built any particular boat!

I do however have a little egg on my face - seems Northwest Marine Industries (Wrights) did take over and somewhat update the c-dory.com website.
 
pat you said something profound.
Unfortunately, they too think they are only manufacturers not marketers

This is something that has made a huge difference between the Cdory and the Ranger tug/ Cutwater lines. Yu can not pick up a boat mag with out seeing the ranger tug/ cutwater boats. They are in every one . And not just ads but articles as well. Jeff knows how to market a boat . If the Wrights would do half as much for the both the Sea Sport and the Cdory I think they would sell a lot more boats. It just seems to me that the Wrights are living on the legacy of Sea sport as a known boat in this area.
 
starcrafttom":22875zf0 said:
Yu can not pick up a boat mag with out seeing the ranger tug/ cutwater boats. They are in every one . And not just ads but articles as well.
This is not limited to boating. Any sport magazine, whether it's boating, photography, camping, cycling or any other pursuit will include articles about items that are also advertised in the magazines.
 
We can speculate, but we don't know... maybe NMI is building as many boats as they want to, or can handle at one time? There is a presumption that every business wants to get bigger, sell more. Having been a business owner, I can say that bigger isn't always the goal.

That said, even a business that is happy with the size they are should practice good customer service - things like: keeping their web presence current, returning e-mail questions, answering and returning phone calls.

Ranger is smart to make every owner (whether they bought the boat direct from Ranger or not) feel like they are "part of the family," and that their satisfaction with the boat matters. They are a good example in how to grow a business AND how to provide good customer service. Now that Ranger is making outboard powered boats, as well as their diesel boats, NMI might take notice of being responsive to potential customers.
 
This was posted in the other thread, but seems more appropriate to include here with Pat's excellent summary of the C-dory mold ownership history:

"I believe that the molds are still owned by Fluid Marine, and a fee is paid to Fluid Marine for each hull molded. If this is not correct, please correct me."

Actually, during the 2016 C-Brat factory tour it was said by Mark Wright that NMI /Wright had just completed the buyout of Waypoint's (Fowler's) 50% share in the C-dory molds, and as a result NMI now fully owns the C-dory molds. Notice also that Waypoint Marine is no longer a C-Dory or Sea Sport dealer in the Seattle market. The Waypoint/Fowler joint ownership (with Ron Wright/NMI) wasn't specifically mentioned in Pat's history, but is mentioned in other threads here.

-Mike
 
JamesTXSD":3peug58d said:
We can speculate, but we don't know... maybe NMI is building as many boats as they want to, or can handle at one time? There is a presumption that every business wants to get bigger, sell more. Having been a business owner, I can say that bigger isn't always the goal.

That said, even a business that is happy with the size they are should practice good customer service - things like: keeping their web presence current, returning e-mail questions, answering and returning phone calls.

Ranger is smart to make every owner (whether they bought the boat direct from Ranger or not) feel like they are "part of the family," and that their satisfaction with the boat matters. They are a good example in how to grow a business AND how to provide good customer service. Now that Ranger is making outboard powered boats, as well as their diesel boats, NMI might take notice of being responsive to potential customers.

All exactly spot on, Jim. They might be selling all the boats they are able to produce in their current facility, and don't want to expand to produce more boats. I think they are doing a fairly good job of communicating with customers, too. We just see Jeff Messmer and Ranger Tug doing everything right, and wonder, why can't C-Dory can't do that too? But it is their business, and I can't really question why they don't do things the way I want them to. Still, I miss the old days of Jeff Messmer's customer service at C-Dory. Heck, I miss the Lindhout days when Scott Boysen would work on our boat for a reasonable cost. But since we have found Jesse at Bitter End Boatworks, Pete at West Coast Marine, and Jim at Sterling Kayaks (a great fiberglass shop), everything we need is pretty much taken care of without C-Dory being the way it used to be.
 
If c-dory's were on every corner would you buy one? I would not. I like that they are a small production. Unique, dare I say cute, yet remarkably capable. They have a niche market of their own - and I like it that way. They are as they say the VW bus, not the biggest or most powerful or capable but just the right size, capability and trailer ability. Most importantly they have this awesome community, reminds me of the VW Samba community.

8)
 
Ordutch1975":vwsks8xe said:
If c-dory's were on every corner would you buy one? I would not. ...

It would not make any difference to me if C-Dory's "were on every corner". If the boat (car, whatever) meets my requirements then it doesn't matter to me if there is one or one million of them.

Assuming that having lots of them out there did not affect the build quality, I would still buy one. The large number in the field would mean parts would be easier to find and lots cheaper than they are now (in relative boat terms), after market parts and accessories would be available, and I wouldn't have to deal with all the people pestering me about it when I stop to gas it up.

Why would there being a large number out there change your opinion of the boat? The boat would still be the same, plus the C-Brats community would probably be a lot bigger so you'd have a lot more people to talk about them with.
 
MikeR":6mbr2342 said:
This was posted in the other thread, but seems more appropriate to include here with Pat's excellent summary of the C-dory mold ownership history:

"I believe that the molds are still owned by Fluid Marine, and a fee is paid to Fluid Marine for each hull molded. If this is not correct, please correct me."

Actually, during the 2016 C-Brat factory tour it was said by Mark Wright that NMI /Wright had just completed the buyout of Waypoint's (Fowler's) 50% share in the C-dory molds, and as a result NMI now fully owns the C-dory molds. Notice also that Waypoint Marine is no longer a C-Dory or Sea Sport dealer in the Seattle market. The Waypoint/Fowler joint ownership (with Ron Wright/NMI) wasn't specifically mentioned in Pat's history, but is mentioned in other threads here.
-Mike

Mike, I am the person who you quoted above. Thank you for the "update". I have no l knowledge of "Waypoint Marine". How were they involved in the production of C Dory's? Did they buy the molds from Fluid Marine? Were the principles of Waypoint the same consortium of investors who formed Fluid Marine, and purchased the assets of the Reynolds? If they owned 50% of the molds, how did the figure in the productions? My information about the royalties for use of the molds was from a primary source some time ago.
 
Hi Bob, sorry I have no details on the involvement of Waypoint or Fluid, was simply offering an update based on what Mark Wright told us at last year's factory tour. We will try to get some clarification at this year's tour and report back! (note: the "50%" share might have been an assumption on my part, but I do recall for certain Mark saying that NMI now fully owns the molds, after a buyout from Waypoint, and we also know that sometime between then and now, Waypoint has stopped selling Sea Sport and C-Dory lines).

Some further hints might also be found in the 2013 thread in which Sam offered the following (I can't claim knowledge of any of this, however note the second-to-last line involving a sale of the molds to Ron Wright and Buck Fowler/Waypoint, which seems to jive with with what Mark Wright told us last August):

20dauntless":2zusofvr said:
Here's how I understand what happened:

1. Lindhout brothers (through International Composite dba Triton Marine Industries) bought the C-Dory and Skagit Orca molds from Fluid Marine. They paid $100,000 cash, plus several years of royalties to Rich Finlay(Earn-Out).

2. Rich Finlay, of Fluid Marine, sold or otherwise conveyed the Earn-Out to Carstan Leasing (Stan Palmer). The Earn-Out included a security interest in the C-Dory/Skagit Orca assets and required that Triton continually engage in boat building. If they did not, Carstan could claim ownership of the collateral, meaning the C-Dory/Skagit Orca molds.

3. Triton was undercapitalized. Suppliers weren't getting paid and they stopped sending parts. Triton couldn't pay WA state taxes, the state seized Triton's bank accounts. Triton stopped production 2/2012.

And here's where it gets messy...

4. Carstan wanted to collect the C-Dory/Skagit Orca molds in 2/2012 (since Triton had allegedly ceased operating). At that time, Ron Wright and Buck Fowler (owners of Waypoint Boats and Motors and SeaSport) were trying to buy the C-Dory/Skagit Orca molds from Triton. Palmer didn't want Wright and Fowler to have the molds, since they're a competitor to his Defiance brand. Triton wouldn't turn the molds over to Carstan. That's when the litigation began.

5. Court orders that Triton has to turn over C-Dory/Skagit Orca assets to Carstan immediately (3/2013).

Now it appears Carstan may have sold the molds to Wright and Fowler (aka Northwest Marine Industries, SeaSport, and Waypoint).

And the future of C-Dory is still unclear. Somebody must see value, though, since they've been paying lawyers for a while!
 
Mike, Thanks for digging up that old thread which explains the situation from 2009 to 2013 very well.

Any complete history should include that thread, and the C Dory acquisition of the Cape Cruiser molds(Venture).

I did go back and review the legal papers cited in that thread--which was the court case of Carstan vs International Composite Design (DBA as Triton). The "earn out" was only 2% on the Tom Cat and C Dory line, and was for 5 years--so it would have expired in 2014 or 2015. Reviewing all of this, and what Mike R heard at the tour, it confirms that NMI does own all of the molds at this point.

Thank you!
 
If Nor'Westing were still around I would update it with Sam's info! I knew bits and pieces but not nearly this much, and I must have missed Sam's 2013 post! So the history is pretty much complete, although the future is still a little cloudy!
 
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