A question for you 22' owners

I chuckle to myself everytime this thread comes up. Realistically, there IS a difference between the space on these boats, but it just isn't that much. Do you need elbow room and a private/separate place to potty and shower? If yes, the 25 is your choice; if no, then it's the 22. There's over a ton difference in weight, so, as mentioned over and over, the tow vehicle needs to be taken into consideration. Our 2500 diesel pickup weighs and costs more than a gas 1500... it also gets better fuel mileage, towing or solo.

So, you get the boat that you feel will do the best job for the way you use it. Porta-potty vs fixed head? It really isn't that big of a deal. Really. You carry a porta-potty to a toilet more often, you pump out the fixed version less frequently... neither is worth losing sleep over. Pat will now tell us about his Air-head, but I've read that they can't keep up with extended travel users (they need some time to work their... um, magic).

Yesterday, we were locking through with this big fellow...

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He and Joan were talking while we went up in the lock... they are from Texas... they've been out for a couple years... he said, "We are thinking about getting something trailerable, but in this economy, I'll never be able to sell this thing. It just takes SO long to get anywhere."

I asked Joan if she offered to trade him straight across? :mrgreen: She said, "NO WAY!" Our boat just works for the way we use it.

And that's the deal with this repeated thread: you make the boat you have work, unless there's just no way. And when there's no way, you start looking for another boat. Can you spend extended time on your boat? Do you ever think, "If I just had a couple more feet and __________ (fill in the blank)?" We've traveled, launched, retrieved, etc with 22s and TomCats... there really isn't much more effort involved regardless of the model. Now, if you were to move from a 22 to a 60' boat, THAT'S going to be really significant. :wink:

So, when it comes to the question of: a 22 or a 25? My answer is: YES!

:D

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
So, when it comes to the question of: a 22 or a 25? My answer is: YES!
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Very well stated, honestly if money was not a factor (including tow vehicle) - I would have bought the CD25. Not for any good reason, but that is just how I work. It really isn't about the money, it is "how much do we want to allocate to this hobby" - like most, we have many "hobbies". Having the less expensive CD22 allows me to have more money for other hobbies - plus I was able to outfit our boat with more "toys".

It is crazy how much we have enjoyed our boat. My wife loves to boat but doesn't care to much for the tight quarter maneuvering (maybe she needs a new skipper). With the CD22, she LOVES it - we laugh everytime we come into the dock in wind/waves/etc and we are not all frazzled like we were with the bigger boat (32' single screw).

I wouldn't sell the CD22 for the CD25 (at least at this point) - we are enjoying the "easy" boating and still get to go where ever we want - just like before.

Jim B's post was right on point with our experience.[/url]
 
OK -- I've thought about it some more. If money was not a factor, this is the boat I'd own: Thunderbird. Lake Tahoe, CA. 1940. 55 feet of Mahogany and varnish (10 coats).

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It has been almost one year since we sold our 22 footer. Having owned bigger boats and having spent a fair amount of time on the 22 I can say that there is no difference in the fun factor. cruising is cruising. The little 22 gave us a lot of pleasure with very little grief. The lack of a shower and enclosed head was just not an issue--and-- no sump to clean and no head valves to replace. Part of the reason we sold the Monk was the fact that after only 5 years the hose from the aft head needed to be replaced. The thought of getting thirty feet of old smelly hose out and putting new in was more that I could handle. Carrying a potty to on shore to dump is just not a problem. KISS

Fred, Pat, and Mr. Grey (the cat)

PS If I were buying a boat today it would be another CD-22
 
Susan E":jmsuenkv said:
the porta potty gets too heavy for me to move on to the deck at night and back in the morning after a few days. :D
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Susan, you should have married an ex-paratrooper that would be willing to sling that porta potty around your vessel with ease instead of a mean 'ol wimpy marine that makes you do ALL the manual labor.... :mrgreen:


"Airborne All The Way" :thup
 
I have a very small porta potti that came on the 16' and it is fine, not that heavy even when full. Can imagine the full size like on the 22' will be much heavier, but not a deal breaker. I lived aboard for 10 years and partnered with a marine head. You become pretty familiar with them over that many years of constant use and I just didn't have that many complaints. Minimal maintenance each year. If you kept the hoses up to date or treated there really wasn't any odor. The only problem that I ever had that took more than a minute or two to diagnose was when a candlefish swam up the intake and jammed it. I rebuilt the toilet before I thought to take off the intake hose and look down it. Dumb move on my part. I could go either way. I like the idea of a 25' but I plan on keeping my camper so that appears on the surface to be more load than I want to carry. If it was just me I would get rid of the camper and go with the 25' or a tomcat but Sue is first mate and has a participating vote.
 
The 22 does everything we want it to, and we love it. I agree with Tom, though...I like the stand up head and the extra room of the 25. I'd go so far as to say that if I were to get a 25, I'd get it without the standard toilet and use the porta potti in that space. Call me crazy, but the little potty is simple and easy and I like it. It just would be nice to not have to move it around all the time when we're out on the hook.

I also really like the non-self bailing deck of the 22. That curved floor and high sides feels safe and "normal" to me.

As for the towing and launching issue, I don't see much of a difference, either. Sure you need a bigger truck, but the actual towing is the same.

As for the issue of "money is not an option", well, I'd get a (gasp!) 26' Sea Sport Aleutian with twins on a bracket and keep it in a slip...and trailer the 22 to places we wanted to explore.

Rick
 
ffheap":1us2u1ol said:
Hi Folks,

One thing about the 1983 Angler. It is a "stand up head". Even while you are driving the boat.

Fred
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All right, Fred, time for all C-Brats to play

"Truth and Consequences"

While helming your C-Dory and alone have you ever (check all those that apply):

1,) Used the "head: while at the helm as Fred implies_____

2.) Used the head-

A,) under the v-berth_____

B. ) in the cabin_____

c.) in the cockpit_____

WHILE:

A.) in neutral_____

B.) in forward at displacement speed_____

C.) in forward at planning speed_____

(You last guys report to the U.S. Coast Guard for Immediate Disciplinary Action!)

Reminds me of someone's comments several years ago that they had encountered "helmless" boats headed out from the mainland to Catalina that were apparently on autopilot while the Mr. and Mrs. were below "taking care of business"!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Sea Wolf,

I am not kidding.

If you look at the construction of the pre 1986 22' C-Dorys, all of them being Anglers, there is NO SHELF aft of the window. Also the head is a little aft of the post 1986 Cruiser models. Result is that the head can be used standing up.

Seeing the helm is beside the head. PRESTO.

I discovered this on my first trip on the Erie Canal when I was alone at the controls.( Speed was 10 MPH.)

After 1986, when C-Dory came out with the cruiser model, they tucked the head back into the bunk area under a shelf. On one post 1986, one tall person had to use a 13" Porti-Potty because his upper body was to long, causing him to hit his head if he had used a 15" Porti-Potty.

So, if you buy a 22' C-Dory, check out the Porti-Potty before buying.

Also having been a vessel Examiner, there is no law against using a head standing up why running your boat.

If I am wrong, please correct me.

Fred
 
I always carried a urinal next to the helm in all my boats. The kind you get free when you are in the hospital. I solves the problem of having to leave the helm.

Fred, Pat, and Mr. Grey(the cat)

Mr. Grey had no problem. He did not man the helm and his litter box was always under the table.
 
Fred- I failed to visualize the reference in your post, and thought you were referring to a "coffee can" or "bucket" version of a urinal.

Thanks for painting a more complete picture!

The hospital urinal would also be a good choice, of course.

I find those large mouth Gatorade bottles very useful for such duty, both underway and at night, etc. They can be sealed up and disposed of conveniently later, and are a lot easier to lug around than a Porta-Potti. Cover the outside with Duct Tape, and no one knows whatcha' got in the bottle, either!

Joe. :teeth :thup





ffheap":33zrt5g7 said:
Sea Wolf,

I am not kidding.

If you look at the construction of the pre 1986 22' C-Dorys, all of them being Anglers, there is NO SHELF aft of the window. Also the head is a little aft of the post 1986 Cruiser models. Result is that the head can be used standing up.

Seeing the helm is beside the head. PRESTO.

I discovered this on my first trip on the Erie Canal when I was alone at the controls.( Speed was 10 MPH.)

After 1986, when C-Dory came out with the cruiser model, they tucked the head back into the bunk area under a shelf. On one post 1986, one tall person had to use a 13" Porti-Potty because his upper body was to long, causing him to hit his head if he had used a 15" Porti-Potty.

So, if you buy a 22' C-Dory, check out the Porti-Potty before buying.

Also having been a vessel Examiner, there is no law against using a head standing up why running your boat.

If I am wrong, please correct me.

Fred
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Sea Wolf":33n3gw4l said:
Fred- I failed to visualize the reference in your post, and thought you were referring to a "coffee can" or "bucket" version of a urinal.
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We had a name for that device on one of our boats... it was called... the "can-o-pee". (Not to be confused with the bimini) (rimshot)
 
Sea Wolf":111bmbv5 said:
I find those large mouth Gatorade bottles very useful for such duty, both underway and at night, etc. They can be sealed up and disposed of conveniently later, and are a lot easier to lug around than a Porta-Potti. Cover the outside with Duct Tape, and no one knows whatcha' got in the bottle, either!

Joe. :teeth :thup
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Another great plus is, that if you get stopped by the authorities, they don't have to request a sample, you already have one for them.... Boy does that remind me of a couple of jokes.... :lol:

Charlie
 
Best to positively identify said bottle...and DO NOT place in the cooler after use....unless you're the dude from "Man VS Wild".
 
Good chesapeake bay story. We ( my family when I was 10 or so are cruising with another couple for the weekend. On the way back from the east shore we get hit with a rain squall with 40 knot winds. Being the bay is fairly shallow the result was 4 to 6 fters and no vis. We all have life vest on trying to ignore the green water braking over the cabin house of our 26ft chris. I look over to the other boat and see the owner driving while his wife is holding a coffee can (does coffee even come in a can anymore?) so he can pee. Well with 6ft waves short spaced waves and a moving target , we could barely stand up, I don't think he got much pee into the can, but relieve himself he did. Funny as hell from our boat.

as for Joes poll, Yes.. love my auto pilot. I do hate when the fish take that short lake of mobility on my part to strike my baits.
 
For the long weekends or cruises, get a six-pack or 12-pack carton and fill it with those Gatorade bottles!

Then you can nonchalantly stroll all over the marina on your way to the dump site in the bathroom, just like you've been to the store... until you take 'em all into the head with you. Hope nobody asks you for a "cold one"!

As for labeling the contents, you could write "Yellow Peril" on the bottles, but someone would take it as a racial slur, and then you WOULD be in real trouble.

Who would have guessed that simply taking a pee would lead down such a twisted road? (Not exactly the "Yellow Brick Road", either!)

Enough off-color comments, already!

Joe :lol: :thup
 
Starcraft Tom Said....

"I do hate when the fish take that short lake of mobility on my part to strike my baits."

I can usually figure out what it is that you have said Tom, but must admit this one is beyond me....
:shock:

Given the subject at hand, I'm almost afraid to ask... :disgust

Charlie
 
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