AC power on a C-Dory?

Cfoster

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Hey folks,
Let me ask a question that you all may have solved. I have a sleep apnea machine that requires AC. Does C-Dory offer an inverter as an option? If not what do you all do to get AC power? I would like to avoid a generator if possible. Anybody use solar panels like Ranger Tugs and Cutwater? Aspen Catamarans uses a great solar system as well.
Thanks for your help.
 
It would be necessary to know the current draw of the sleep machine to determine whether the inverter is a feasible solution. From a little googling it appears they use about 150 A.C. watts or less and have available DC converters for some . Totally doable with an inverter and a house battery system .
Marc
 
Marc,
I looked on the machine and there is a plate that says 2.5 amps. The actual Bi-Pap machine sits on a humidifier plate that warms the water. The power cord goes into the humidifier plate and then there is a cord with an adaptor that runs to the actual Bi-Pap machine.
Where would a battery bank be located on a Cruiser 25 and I assume it would be done at the dealer level? Could the house bank be rigged to recharge off the outboard alternator just like the starting battery?
 
We use a small inverter 400 or 500 watt pugged into a cigarette lighter type socket with 12vdc. About 25 to 35 dollars.The inverter actually in our case powers a six plug surge strip we power phone chargers, wireless outer etc. Once your ready for bed it has no problem powering your sleep machine. I have a battery backup model sleep machine (AEIOMed Evertest 3) but I have used regular sleep machines with no problem. I would leave the humidifier off as they might draw more as they heat the water. I turn our battery switch to draw off one battery and with the inverter and LED anchor light on all night we can still can start our 150 hp outboard without switching to both batteries. We also carry a generator but that we usually only fire up for brief periods or if it is really hot.
D.D.
 
Will,
Thanks for the reply. My machine is a Respironics Bi-Pap. I would like to be able to power phone chargers and a laptop as well so that sounds like a great solution. I guess AGM batteries and LED anchor and running lights would help as well.
Are C-Dorys still as good now that Triton Marine is building them? You just don't see much of a sales effort from them any more from Triton.
 
cfoster,

I can't offer any advice on the Bi-Pap machine but Harvey (Sleepy-C) sure can. He has lots of letters behind his name that mean he knows this stuff. I'm sure he'll chime in here as soon as he sees this thread.

As far as C-Dory quality, it has never been better :thup I saw Kerrie On when it was 98% completed and it was an awesome build. George is extremely happy with it. Scott is offering more factory customizations now and service is again available at the factory. C-Dory is in good hands.
 
booze and ear plugs are cheaper and require no power. Susan tried one of the machines and returned it. she could not fall asleep with it on. The booze and ear plugs are for me :cocktail :cocktail :cocktail :moon :moon
 
I think Triton builds a good boat. They still build a few different brands. The have an excellent reputation for building solid boats. For some have said marketing is not their strong point. I think they are more of the proof is in the pudding type people. They are embracing the C-Brats more and more and have held classes etc about jel Coat and fiberglass. I don't think anyone should be afraid to purchase a boat built by them. Email or call them, visit them they are an open door.
As far as special batteries we use regular Interstate group 27's just two. We have converted all lights to LED with the exception of the nav lights. In between the shore power option and a decent set of batteries overnights are never a problem. I think you can run your cpap with the humidifier on, if you don't share too many devices on that 400 to 500 watt inverter. Before someone smartened me up i used to let the generator run on eco thottle plugged into my shore power and used a regular 120 volt outlet for the sleep machine. The inverter for us is a simple inexpensive solution. Happy Easter to All
D.D.
 
This may be more than you want to know, but it beats going outside and cutting weeds.

Lets look at some numbers, and start with Marc's number of 150 watts for the machine. First, remember that batteries are rated in amp-hrs. And amps= watts/volts. And solar panels only work in daylight.

So how does one get the power? That's a large light bulb, which is no problem from a generator or you're plugged into shore power. So, how do you get the power if you're at anchor and sleeping and don't want a generator running. At night, the only way I know is to use batteries and an inverter, as discussed by Mark. A 150 watt inverter is common and cheap, so all we need is to size the battery.

One needs a battery that can deliver at least 100 amp hrs, just for the sleep machine, as follows: 150 watts = 13 amps at 12 Volts. If one sleeps for 8 hours, that's 13 amps times 8 hours, ~100 amp-hrs. Lets add another 20 amp hrs for the lights, etc. so we're looking for 120 amp hrs.

A lead-acid battery doesn't like to be discharged below 50% of rated capacity, so we need to find a battery with about 240 amp-hr rated capacity. First, a group 31 deep cycle battery has about 105 a-h (West Marine) or 130 a-h (Trojan), so that doesn't fly. A 4D deep cycle has 185 a-h (WM) or 165 a-h (Trojan) which isn't enough and they are built for trucks (heavy.) Finally we go to a 6 Vdc golf cart battery which has 225 a-h capacity (Trojan,) and that just meets the requirement. Since they're 6 v you need 2 ea in series to get to 12 Vdc for the inverter. As a note, running batteries in parallel MAY cause trouble as the batteries age, so I don't like to suggest connecting 2 ea Group 31's in parallel.

Turns out that 2 ea Trojan T-105 will fit in the starboard lazarette, see the Journey On album for proof. Or, one can tie them down in the cockpit. And change all your cabin lights to LED lights so you can read at night whilst saving power.

Now, how do you charge these batteries? To recharge the batteries, you'll need 150 watts X 1.25 (recharge factor) X 8 hrs. equals about 1.5 kw-hr, not a large amount. I have solar panels for the house and I have used them on a boat when we're cruising. They get awfully big awfully fast. And remember they need to be pointed directly at the sun (normal to the sunline) to get rated power. Laying them flat on the cabin top and swinging at anchor isn't the most efficient. And the sun travels from horizon to horizon during the day. I'd estimate that you'll get 20% of their rated output during a non-cloudy day. Looking solar panels up on the internet, a 215 watt panel requires 17 sq. ft. (5 1/2 X 3 1/2 ft). And you'll need at least 2 ea. So, 2 ea 215 watt solar panels are about $1000.

Get a Honda 1000 generator for recharging at anchor, is my conclusion. $500 well spent. And make sure you get an outboard with a large alternator for when you're running.

So, it's doable, but takes some thinking.

Boris
 
Check with the place you bought your unit from.
I also have a CPAC and picked up a 12 volt cigarette lighter plugin cord from the place I got my unit from.
I think these run on a low voltage and are transformerd down in the 110 volt cord.
Tnx, Jimbo
 
To keep it even simpler, there are 12V CPAP machines. My next machine may be one for use on boats and RV's.

You'll still have to have enough battery capacity to run the machine, but you won't have the power inefficiency of transferring power from DC to AC.
 
Your questions should be pretty well answered. The Triton Marine boats seem to be of excellent quality. There is no reason to use AGM batteries, unless you want extra batteries inside of the cabin. I happened to put two extra group 31's (AGM) because I wanted the weight forward in my C Dory 25--but the Golf carts in the stern work very well, and are far cheaper.

If your unit uses 2.5 amps, 110 v AC it will be using more than can be supplied by a 150 watt inverter. I would use at least a 300, and probably a 500 watt inverter--if I went that route. But.....

Looking in the on line manual for your respirator it states:

"You can operate the device on DC power by using the Respironics DC
power adapter accessory (when available). See the DC power adapter
instructions for more information."


I would use that DC converter rather than an inverter. Some more sophisticated instruments may do better with a pure sine wave inverter, so that will be more expensive most likely than the cheaper MSW units.

if you have a 50 ton license, you should have the skills to put Thin the batteries and inverter yourself--if not there are plenty of boat dealers or electronic installers who would do that for you.

Solar panels--sure--but as noted, they are going to be expensive, and if you are moving your outboard should charge up the batteries. We spent about a month in AK--and never used the generator, even though we had it aboard. Also if you put in an AC battery charger, you want to put in a second battery charger which is much larger than the unit which comes with the boat--preferably 40 to 50 amps. or if you get a larger inverter, they will often have a 100 amp charger built in (but then you probably will have a bigger battery set--of at least 400 amp hours).
 
Kenneth asked:

"I have a sleep apnea machine that requires AC. Does C-Dory offer an inverter as an option? If not what do you all do to get AC power? I would like to avoid a generator if possible."
There is nothing-absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats."
Kenneth Grahame

Ken, I use a CPAP machine on my boat too. I also am a Registered Sleep Technologist, and want to congratulate you for making the effort to treat your sleep apnea. There is uncontrovertable evidence that untreated obstructive sleep apnea leads to considerable adverse health effects from hypertension, atrial fibrillation, congestive heart failure, and even stroke as well as obesity and diabetes and recently there is evidence that ties it to hearing loss also. (sleep occupies 1/3 of our life. Unhealthy sleep does affect the rest of our lives.)

Your Respironics BiPAP machine may have a 12VDC input on the machine. The power is provided via a 12V cord with a Cigarette Lighter type plug available from your medical equipment provider, (or On line from someplace like CPAP.com or CPAPman.com) I would use this route rather than using an inverter, because there is less power loss (running the inverter) than just running the PAP machine directly.

On board, I do not use my humidifier or if I do I do not run the heater. (It has a considerable higher power draw.) I do miss the humidity, but sure sleep well even though. Would never sleep without the PAP device. SleepyC has 2 group 27 Deep Cycle batteries. The battery drop from 12.8 would be down to 12.4 after 7-8 hours of use and charges up to 12.8+ after about 30 minutes of above idle running.

I like the 6 volt battery idea, but not willing to change until my batteries need replacing. The PAP (Positive Airway Pressure) machines are changing frequently, getting smaller and more efficient. Battery technology is also improving. Your medical equipment provider should be able to show you your best options to power the device. There are on line providers (CPAP.com or CPAPman.com) that will have the power cords too.

If there are any other questions regarding the PAP, please let me know. There are few options to using a well fitting, effectively set CPAP or BiPAP that will treat it as well with as good results.

Regards,

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
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