Any difference between '05 and '06 25' Cruiser?

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Hello! Does anyone out there know what the differences are between the 2005 25' C-Dory Cruiser and the 2006 25' Cruiser? Thanks!
 
Not too many photos of the 2006 models to use for reference but these would be some differences to note among the mid production 25s. Also note that some changes were made during the 2005 model run so there may be some changes seen within that year the look more like the 2004s.

The position of fresh water tank can be either in the bow or in the transom. which relates to the pump being either in the cabinet with the hot water tank for the bow model or in the transom for the transom model.

The toilet was a saltwater marine unit earlier with holding tank in the transom but that changed over to an undertank freshwater unit.

The macerator pump was behind the sink later or under the cockpit floor earlier.

The cabinets changed from wood to fiberglass structure sometime around that timeframe and most folks like the wood better.

I have also heard that the fuel tank varied from plastic to aluminum during that production timeframe.

Otherwise they should be very similarly laid out on the surface.
 
All 2005 and later boats had aluminum tanks. They raised the heighth of the dinette seats but not sure what year that was but it was after 2005. The cockpit scuppers were upsized after 2005.
 
I am not familiar with the 05 but our 06 25' cruiser had it's fresh water tank in the bow with the FW pump in the port side cabinet by the water heater. The cabinets are fiberglass. The head is a regular marine head drawing sea water to flush and discharging to a holding tank in the bilge in front of the transom. Our 100 gal. fuel tank is aluminum. Some photos in our album but I think what you can see looks like any other year 25' cruiser.
Rich
 
richnkay":3f0b0t0e said:
I am not familiar with the 05 but our 06 25' cruiser had it's fresh water tank in the bow with the FW pump in the port side cabinet by the water heater. The cabinets are fiberglass. The head is a regular marine head drawing sea water to flush and discharging to a holding tank in the bilge in front of the transom. Our 100 gal. fuel tank is aluminum. Some photos in our album but I think what you can see looks like any other year 25' cruiser.
Rich
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Interesting. We have a 2007 CD-25, delivered at the end of July 2006. We were told it was the first of the 2007 model year, since we ordered it at the 2006 Seattle Boat Show. We definitely have the the Decraguard (wood) interior. It was several months after we took delivery of our boat that there was the first mention of the fiberglass cabinets/interior on the 22s and then the 25s. I wasn't aware of any 2006 boats that had the fiberglass cabinets. Not that it makes much difference, unless you are a DIY cabinet guy, and then the Decraguard is easier to modify for most folks.

I don't think C-Dory at the time was concerned with making all their changes at the new model year, and there were differences between boats of the same model year. The hull is the same. While I prefer the fresh water flush of the SeaLand toilet (and there are plenty of different opinions on head choice), most the the changes through the model years have been pretty minor.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
mmitchell,

What did they move to make the back deck larger on a CD-25? I assume you mean the cockpit? Or just the splash well for the outboard mount?

Boris
 
Also some time about this frame, the "curtain" of Sunbrella, was changed to solid glass from the splashwell down. 12" would be a huge amount to take out of the splash well. I would love to see some comparison photos. Also later boats (probably in the 2004 to 2006 era went to dual fuel fills.
 
So the 2006-on boats have a larger cockpit via a smaller spashwell? I am looking at photos of newer boats and just don't see it. I have seen the canvas bulkhead versions but ours in a solid glass 2005 and seems to look just like Wild Blue's 2007.

Greg
 
Bob,

I think it is more like 2-4 inches. Mark has always been directionally and dimensionally challenged even though he does a wonderful job of woodworking and finish work around the house. There he has the benefit of a tape. I have a 2005 with the open back area and Mark's is enclosed but the same year model. My rear cockpit is definitely shorter. We'll probably be close together this weekend so will take some comparision photos. The other differences are as noted:

Bidarka (early 2005) Shiroz (Late 2005)
Water tank in V-berth Watertank under rear deck
Holding tank under rear deck Holding tank in head under toilet
Water pump in interior cabinet Water pump in rear
Waste Pump out on stern to port
Macerator out on port quarter
Water fill on port at front of cabin
Scuppers straight out transom Scuppers wind their way out
Older model Wallas (DU85??)

These are the ones that come to mind. I am sure there are others. I like the early model as the back is more open and you can see straight out the scuppers. The weight distribution is better with the water tank forward. Also the batteries (3) can be mounted below the deck on the port side in a "dry" area. The area under the hatch to starboard drains into the center area between the fuel and holding tanks where the bilge pump if located. I have since abandoned the holding tank and replaced the marine toilet with a porta potti for simplicity's sake.


Tom
 
Interesting. Ours is a 2007 w/ wooden cabinets, self-contained head, water tank in the stern bilge, alum fuel tank. Don't know if it's early or late.
 
Our 2005 has the forward water tank and rear waste tank but also the solid glass transom. I also switched to a big porta potti and couldn't be happier with it.
 
OK, now I understand. For 2005 ( and one was at the Seattle Boat show,) C-Dory made a number of detailed structural changes.

First, they put in a removable cockpit floor, so they could access the fuel tank without cutting out the floor. I'm not certain what that means, but they were proud of it. Second, they enclosed the outboard transome well. Steve on Dora-Jean (2004) has the open well, and at first glance it looks the same fore and aft length to me. I like the enclosure. To complete the enclosure, cockpit drains were installed in the new aft bulkhead and they exit through a hose. Also, two shelves were installed in the enclosed space, one on each side. These where 2 batteries were installed, and they're big enough to hold a pair of golph cart batteries on each shelf/tray.

The other changes were equipment installation changes, and they were after the 2005 model.

They're all good, just different.

Boris
 
I'll bring the measuring tape this weekend and try to get some answers along with some comparisons of the Tomcat.

Sounds like there was a whole lot of component mixing going in the middle model runs but some of that was possibly buyer directed. I am glad to have the water tank up front for balance but I sure could have skipped that job of cutting the waste tank to pieces and pulling it out of a small opening.

I am surprised you have wood cabinets on your 2007 when some folks have fiberglass on a 2006.
 
Seems a lot like early VWs. Some yrs have some items other yrs should and so on, especially towards the end of a yr production and the beginning of the nex yr's production. I guess they just used up what they had in inventory.
 
localboy":3o8sr85l said:
Seems a lot like early VWs. Some yrs have some items other yrs should and so on, especially towards the end of a yr production and the beginning of the nex yr's production. I guess they just used up what they had in inventory.
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No question of that... we spec'd our boat out with the swim step on the port side - they put it on the starboard side. We ordered a fresh water wash down, they put in a raw water wash down (which they fixed). The flat-top Wallas we ordered turned into one of the slanted top models. Ours is a 2007, and we have the DecraGuard interior... I think the fiberglass interiors were an attempt to try to "standardize" the construction. I know prior to ordering our boat, the factory (at the time) would entertain specific customer requests during the build. I had to argue like hell to get them to put the Wallas as far forward on the galley top, so we'd have some storage room behind it. They said, "We always put it in the middle. I can't guarantee they'll be able to do that." My response: "I'll call you everyday to remind you that we want that forward, NOT in the middle." They put it forward (where it was supposed to be). We wanted an inverter installed during the build - we were told, "We don't do those because there are so many different models and uses." It finally came down to the factory folks saying outright: "We are trying to make these all the same and let the dealers make any customers alteration requests."

So, I think a lot of it depended on WHO you were dealing with during that time of factory production. I've heard stories of people getting different cabinet builds by request prior to our boat. Had I known that, I would have requested a shorter seat bottom for the aft dinette seat (we never use the dinette as a sleeping area) and a bigger storage cabinet behind that.

At the time, I suggested to the factory that they offer interior options, i.e. an interior designed for a cruising couple and another optimized for sleeping more than a couple. No question that the dinette could be made more ergonomically comfortable if you didn't have concerns about converting to a berth. Production was high at that time - their concern was more about making MORE boats, not making any custom changes.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
I have to question that "8-1/2" claim as well. We have an early or mid-2005 CD23, delivered in May, it has the solid glass bulkhead, maybe we can tape some different boats at Friday Harbor...

Aurelia":tp0ysmng said:
So the 2006-on boats have a larger cockpit via a smaller spashwell? I am looking at photos of newer boats and just don't see it. I have seen the canvas bulkhead versions but ours in a solid glass 2005 and seems to look just like Wild Blue's 2007.

Greg
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Also remember that the actual hull numbers and build dates are areas for confusion. Sometimes hull numbers were assigned by the date of order. For example (and these are not real numbers)--hull 26 may have been built after hull 29. The date of lay up and the model year should be consistant. But remember that 2007 model year may have started in July 2006. It is also possible that a boat was ordered with the wooden interior.
 
It is also possible that a boat was ordered with the wooden interior.
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Indeed, Dr Bob. I have no way of telling as our boat was a factory re-po from a now defunct dealer. I do like the plywood interior though. Much more [easily] customizable.
 
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