Bartender Boats

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Salmon Fisher

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Location
Arlington, WA
C Dory Year
2004
C Dory Model
25 Cruiser
Hull Identification Number
CD025035K304
Vessel Name
Kim Christine
Here is a link to a person in Oregon selling his 26 Bartender.

I had the pleasure of talking with the builder/owners while at Deer Harbor a couple years back. A beautiful boat and flawless details put into it over 6 1/2 years.

She is for sale, if I had the $$, I would buy her in a heartbeat!

Enjoy reading about this great boat!

http://cruisingbartender.weebly.com/
 
Seen this boat. He finished a few months after I did. Very meticulous job, first rate everywhere, and worth the bucks if you have them. The hard top makes for a very weatherproof or sunproof enclosure, and a lot of room on longer trips.
 
I have seen that blue BarTender in the San Juans. Very nice.

There is also one that has been in the Mystery Bay area for some time. I believe (George) Calkins lived in the area for many years and this is one that he personally built. The day I took this it was looking a bit dejected, but it was a very short lived situation and the same day I took the pictures the bow down situation was remedied.

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There are several other pictures of it in my Mystery Bay album.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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There is another very nice used bartender for sale at www.eqmarine.com. Welded aluminum, hull-speed diesel power and more fully outfitted for passagemaking. More money of course. For me, the gas crusader and exterior wood on the first boat would be deal breakers, but it's cool to look at. Cheers! Mike.
 
Mike, is this the boat? http://www.eqmarine.com/Timbercoast_22.html

That is a displacement hull and power arrangement based on a Tad Roberts design created for Bartender Boats, emphasizing economy and long distsnce cruising capability. Killer boat for that purpose, but it won't plane at speed, for those who care about going fast. One of a kind. Similar boats of plywood construction are in progress, I heard, but have not seen any. A very comfortable platform, with this one finished nicely, and fully equipped.

I hqve no financial interest in its sale, but somebody who wants to cruise the Inside Passage economically should buy it.
 
Just google "EQ Marine", then click on "used boats" from their home page. It's the first used boat listed.
 
I recall seeing several old coast guard bartenders back jn the 70's /80's which had been converted to salmon trollers, these were the larger boats at least 30+ footers they seemed to be a bit cranky when a tall mast and 30' polls were installed, until the stabies were tossed in. The guys seemed to like them for the most part ,but I would have preferred the original configuration rather than turn them into a trollers. The rolling and pitching was probably not as bad as it seemed from another boat in rough seas.
 
A Fishin C":1a1tloht said:
18-30 knots?

really?

It is a planing hull. Wow. Wouldn't have thunk it.
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Yup. Calkins built them light but strong, and most of them transition to plane ablout 10-11 knota. If you load them up with extra gear and or passengers, though, the performance is reduced and the fuel consumption gies up. Ideal rough water boats, however. My 20.5 ft version would do 25 kts light, 21 kts with gear, food, water, etc., for a week of cruising, using a gas Westerbeke IB, rated at 65 hp. The OB powered versions ran in a well, and had similar performance, if built to specs.
 
We did discuss this boat (or class of boats) in 2008. She carries the "V" all of the way aft, and is a displacement boat. Even the Bartenders, had "wings" on on each side about at the chines, to give more planing surface.

This is a neat and beautiful boat. But I personally feel the C Dory 22 is more practical--at least for my use. The Timber Coast has very limited room in the cabin. Top speed is gong to be in the 7 to 8 knot category--Not sure what the range will be, but at 5 knots you might get the burn down to 1/4 gallon an hour. If you are at 3/4 throttle, you will be burning about a gallon a hour, and lets say 7 knots under ideal conditions. With 32 gallons, you would only have a 200 mile range with safety factor...Maybe with sails and the engine just ticking along--you might get to 5 mph x 4 x 32 equal 580 miles with 10% reserve--not enough to do any ocean crossings (There was a 22 foot ocean crossing boat built in New Zealand--the owner started out for the US--and as I recollect that when they got to the first land fall, got off the boat, and had her shipped deck load to Port Townsend. I saw the boat in the yard there a number of years ago.

I suspect that the noise level in this would be higher than a C Dory 22, even at low RPM, with that 30 hp diesel in the pilot house.
 
thataway wrote:
We did discuss this boat (or class of boats) in 2008. She carries the "V" all of the way aft, and is a displacement boat. Even the Bartenders, had "wings" on on each side about at the chines, to give more planing surface.

The Timber Coast design is a displacement hull, and very different from the Bartender hull. The TC design was commissioned as a displacement craft about 2008, in anticipation of demand for low speed, fuel efficient boats of that length. It carries some of the lines of a Bartender, but below the water, the two differ significantly.

Bartender hulls carry some vee aft, but the dead rise is very slight, maybe an inch rise on each side, over a chord of 30 inches, making a planing surface on which the boat rides at speed. The "wings" are extensions of the spray rail, and are not engaged with the water above planing speed when running straight ahead. They come into play at speed only in a turn. I think they likely assist in making for smoother, more stable turns, but am not knowledgeable enough to tell for sure. The spray rail only meets the upper edge of the chine guard at the very end of the rail.

The transition to plane is so gradual that sometimes when accelerating, i was hard pressed to say exactly when planing began.

The planing surface at speed is very small for the hull area, for any chosen length of Bartender, which is why the design requires care to avoid overbuilding -- unneeded weight can kill the performance. Planing boats with a pointy end aft pretty much all have to deal with that. My 20.5 ft BT came in at 1750 lbs, dry, engine etc installed, which likely accounts for the low fuel consumption, about 2 to 2.4 gallons per hour, on plane, variable conditions. Load it up with 6 people and gear, and the performance goes to hell.
 
These were some of the older boats the coast guard used I believe, I know they were much longer than 22' probably 36ish,I heard several guys talk about the negative results of the tall mast and polls but I never was on one of them, they were calling them bartenders and from the waterline up they looked just like the smaller ones. I do not know about the hull design.????
 
I have long dreamed about cruising at a slow pace up the inside passage in a small, snug, seaworthy vessel. A boat like the Timbercoast would fulfill that fantasy. In practical terms, it's way too slow for my boating use pattern. When my wife and I do finally cruise the inside passage it will likely be on a chartered trawler with a few other couples, and with a pretty well defined time limit. But I do love to dream!
 
westward":2p001mtl said:
I have long dreamed about cruising at a slow pace up the inside passage in a small, snug, seaworthy vessel. A boat like the Timbercoast would fulfill that fantasy. In practical terms, it's way too slow for my boating use pattern. When my wife and I do finally cruise the inside passage it will likely be on a chartered trawler with a few other couples, and with a pretty well defined time limit. But I do love to dream!
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My C-Dory cruises fine at 4-6 knots, but if I need to, it'll do 20, but my favorite is 4-5 and It is a dream come true. It is small, snug, efficient and certainly seaworthy. My dream has gone in circles - circum nav more than in straight lines. the important thing is that we dream, and the difference between a dream and a goal is a time line. It is working.

Harvey
SleepyC:moon

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I looked at many boat styles from conventional cruisers to tugs and the other NIMH? boats and having read a lot of back posts here and asked some questions I cannot think there would be a better boat than the 25' cruiser...maybe a large venture without the foam and vinyl for my proposed needs/wants, budget goals when I start my plans in real time. I now have every confidence in these boats as doing what I need/want, I just have to dig back into the grey matter and "relearn" a lot of things that are a bit foggy now but with the cyber tools we now have this should come fairly easy then it is just a matter of getting back on the water this site has been a big help and will continue to be, thanks again to all.
 
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