Bow roller for Manson Supreme 15 lb. anchor?

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Sunbeam

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Hi folks,

I have acquired a Manson Supreme 15 lb. anchor (photo below) and I'm now shopping for a bow roller to use with it on my 22 Cruiser. My boat's stock roller is a rather small Sea Dog (also pictured below) and while the Manson will sit on it, it's really "perched" and it won't fit at all unless I remove the bail. I could replace the bail with a taller one, but I'd rather simply get a new roller that would fit better overall. Which is what brings me to this thread.

Manson Supreme:
manson_supreme.jpg

2002 stock Sea Dog roller (which is really too small for this anchor, although it looks big in the photo):
anchor_roller.jpg

The issue I'm running into is that none of the suitable (for the boat size) rollers I've found are really made for the Manson (like they are for Deltas, etc.). I've found a few "universal" rollers that would probably fit... sort of... but if I'm going to the trouble of buying and installing a new roller, I'd like to see what better options there might be.

I have searched the archives here, and although there are lots of great anchor/roller discussion, I didn't find where anyone specified a roller by model for this anchor (I do see that the roller C-Dory used on the "later" boats will work, but I don't know for sure what model that is, nor do I know if it works "just okay" or if it works well.

So, does anyone here use a Manson Supreme 15 lb. anchor on a 22? If so, which roller do you use and how well does it work with the anchor?

Thank you,
Sunbeam :hot

PS: I did contact Windline, and they said that a BRM-2 would work (it's meant for a Bruce), but it doesn't have a bail (and has a rolled lip that would take modification to add one), which I would like - so I'd like to see if anyone here has used a different roller successfully.
 
Sunabeam-

Are you planning on adding a windlass later?

If so, the "drop nose" or Pivoting Lewmar Anchor Roller is a self-launching winner, though I have no experience with it and the Manson Supreme.

I'm sure the Manson folks Tech. Team can tell you which anchor rollers their anchor is compatible with.

The obvious advantage of getting a self-launching anchor roller set up now is that later, when adding a windlass, you don't have to change anchor rollers again! :lol:

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
The roller that came with my 2008 22 works great with the 15lb Manson. It does not pivot but it does self launch.

I'm underway right now (just came around Cape Caution) but will see if there's any indication of who makes it/what model it is when I stop. Not sure if I'll have Internet tonight, but I'll post back within a few days.
 
Joe:
Contacting Manson is not a bad idea, thanks. I'd contacted several roller mfgrs but not Manson themselves. Of course hearing from someone who has the same anchor and on a 22 Cruiser would be even better 8)

I do actually have a Lewmar 700H sitting in a box here, and haven't decided whether or when to mount it. At the moment, I'm hoping to head to the Lake Powell get-together, and I've decided to head to that sans windlass (I don't anticipate a lot of deep anchoring), but with good ground tackle. I'll probably run the Manson with a "secondary" type rode (less chain) and just haul it by hand for this trip. I want to use the boat some - and see some other "outfitted" 22's - before I make certain decisions (good basic ground tackle is not one of them, but a windlass is).

Sam:
Thanks! I remembered that you had the Manson 15, and that you mentioned it has been working with the original roller of your day (which is different from mine), so knowing which one it is would be great.

Sunbeam
 
Pick up a piece of 1"X1/8" aluminum stock at the hardware store and fabricate a new bail. Cheap and easy. That's what I did to accommodate a 6 kg Rocna. Then you can choose a new roller at your leisure.
 
Chester":hpssvpw9 said:
Pick up a piece of 1"X1/8" aluminum stock at the hardware store and fabricate a new bail. Cheap and easy. That's what I did to accommodate a 6 kg Rocna. Then you can choose a new roller at your leisure.
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Chester,

Thanks for the suggestion. If I can't find a better roller before the trip, that's probably what I'll do. That said, it's not so much that I'm in a rush now (I may have given that impression without meaning to), as it is that I'm currently working on the boat (removing and replacing fittings, etc.), and if I just knew which roller I wanted, I could order it and get it installed. The only thing really holding me back is just not knowing which roller(s) would fit best.
 
20dauntless":oitbg52x said:
Mine is made by Seadog Line and I believe it is their medium anchor bow rail. See here http://www.sea-dog.com/groups/2190-medi ... bow-roller
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Thanks, Sam. That looks like mine, and as I went to the link, I was thinking "I guess I must have the small then if Sam has the medium." However, I see the small is a completely different style so ... huh. Does your Manson fit under the bail? Or did you modify or remove the bail?

(I will check mine and report back to clear up my end of it, anyway - I know mine is a Sea Dog but I have not measured it compared to Sam's link yet.)

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Edited to add: Ah, okay, I see that mine appears to be the Sea Dog "Seahook Style" roller.

http://www.sea-dog.com/groups/2188-bow-roller-seahook-style

It looks similar to Sam's but is smaller/shorter all the way around. Not only wouldn't the Supreme fit under the bail, but (when I removed the bail just to test the fit otherwise) the chain end of the shank would land on deck well aft of the roller. I like that on Sam's the anchor shank rests on the metal of the roller and not on the gelcoat/deck.

Sunbeam
 
20dauntless":1w5eiuln said:
The Manson fits under the bail with space to spare and the tip of the anchor clears the bow easily. Here's a picture:
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Thanks, Sam. It's great to see exactly how things line up and know which roller it is. I especially like that the anchor shank will not land on deck (which it would have with my current, shorter roller even if I had customized the bail).
 
Sam,

If you happen to see this thread again, can I ask how much space there is between the after end of your anchor roller and your windlass? (I looked in your album but can't see for sure.)

I see that the medium roller (yours) is ~19" long, and that they make the same roller in a ~23" length. If I had the space ahead of the (future) windlass, I'd probably go for the longer one because I wouldn't mind having it covering the deck right on back to the windlass, since it's nice to have protection there anyway. Of course if it would interfere or be too long, then no.

I'm going to remove the current roller today, so... step one!

Sunbeam
 
We used a Manson 22 (?) on the C Dory 25 with the stock roller--probably the longer version of what you had. We had to lengthen the bail, but the 22 fit well. A concern on any of these types of anchors is the tip of the anchor hitting the gel coat on the bow of the boat.
 
Thanks, Bob,

I just removed my original roller this afternoon (the "Seahook," which is the same basic look as Sam's but shorter and smaller overall, and rather small for the Supreme).

Also, I did get a chance to heft the Supreme up onto a Windline BRM-2 today, just to see how it looked (on the bow of a different 22-footer). The BRM-2 is designed for a Bruce-style anchor, IIRC. It did also fit the Supreme, which had a very strong "self launch" urge in the BRM-2 (even without the roller being a tilting model). It doesn't have a bail, which I sort of like on principle, although maybe it's fine without one (?). (I'm still trying to visualize how one would best lead the rode aboard once anchored and/or how to secure the anchor in the roller when underway or trailering - if anyone has comments I'm all ears.)

So, I'm thinking that unless someone pipes in with something (even) more ideal, I'll go with one like Sam's/the later stock one (which sounds like what you had as well) and/or the longer version of same model (if I think it would fit forward of a future windlass - not sure yet if it would or not).

Also to the good, this'll be one fewer fitting "bedded" in silicone :amgry and a bunch more holes through the core either filled in (the old ones) or properly potted (the new ones) :thup

Thanks again for your input,
Sunbeam :hot
 
Thanks, Sam - that does help :thup I believe I may be able to fit the longer roller, in which case I think it might be nice to have the roller go right back to the (future) windlass - just for chain/deck interface. I'll report back to the thread (after I check it out) for posterity.
 
I wanted to follow up on this thread. Thanks again to all who responded when I originally posed the question :thup

I ordered both the Sea Dog roller that Sam has (photo repeated below for comparison, after the new photo), and the same roller in "extended" form. I wanted to compare the two* on the boat before choosing one. The regular one is 19-1/4" overall length, while the extended version is a little over 4" longer, at 23-5/8". The extra length is in the channel section that lies on deck. As you can see, the bail is also slightly different between the two.

The 15 lb. Manson Supreme fit nicely on both rollers, the main difference being that the extended roller covers more of the deck at the after end. I don't have a windlass mounted (yet), but I looked at some photos of the Lewmar 700H to see where it landed on deck, because I wanted to have room for a windlass in future.

After playing around with the roller/anchor, I decided I preferred the extended roller, and I mounted it with the after end just forward of where the non-skid starts on the foredeck. This gave good clearance for the tip of the anchor vs. the stem of the boat, and should allow room for the windlass abaft. I did drill one additional fastening hole in the roller forward of the original three (that fasten the roller to the deck). Here is a photo of how it looks installed:

long_roller.jpg

The Sea Dog part number for the extended roller is 328064R

http://www.sea-dog.com/groups/2191-extended-bow-roller

Here is a repeat of Sam's photo of the regular-length version of the roller on his 22 for comparison (this roller was apparently stock on "later 2000's" 22's:
SAM_7879.jpg

Sunbeam :hot


*Curiously, I noted that on the regular-length roller, the lock nut on the roller/axle fastener didn't go all the way on (in other words fastener appeared to be a bit too short). It is plenty long on the extended roller. I later saw another regular-length roller and its axle/fastener was equally short - not sure if they are all that way, but maybe something to check. It wasn't so short that I would expect it to instantly fly off, but the fastener did not come all the way past the lock nut, like I would expect it to.
 
So, have you used your Manson supreme and the new roller? I am curious to hear how you like the Supreme 15lb. How does it compare to what you had previously?
 
I haven't used it yet, so I can't report one way or the other. And the boat came to me with a Danforth, which I also never used, but which I knew I didn't want as a primary anchor).

Sam (Dauntless20) has the Manson Supreme 15-pounder, and I believe he used it all summer on his trip to Alaska. I think he was pleased with it, but you could check with him.

Sunbeam
 
No worries and glad it could help someone else out :thup

I see that my link above is broken (I "organized" some of my albums without realizing it would break the links), so this gives me a chance to re-post the photo of the extended version roller, installed:

Here is is again. I think I pretty much lined up the part that overhangs the bow with how the shorter roller would be, and then let the extra run further aft on the foredeck:

long_roller.jpg
 
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