Brand new CD25

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My IRA Jerry -

I was looking over the pictures of your new CD25 in production that you put into your album. I really like the way the cockpit hatches are being laid out. It is going to be almost exactly like the floor arrangement in the older CD 25's (of which I am particularly fond). The head with the holding tank beneath looks like the same one that is in my boat, too.

Did you come up with this plan, or did Les and/or C-Dory work it out for you? It sure seems to be a better arrangement, and provides a whole bunch more usable space.

You must be getting pretty excited about now. She's a beaut!
 
Mike,

Because I've gone with Les to the CD plant for the last 7 Mondays and watched Les and the working guys discuss features, think Les had some input. I like what I see -- and this is going to be a real beauty!!

Dusty
 
Mike and Sawdust,

Yes, Les gave major input on the design of our boat.

We first contacted Les in August with the idea of using a Sealand head in the 25 (we had owned a 26 olympic with this head). We also wanted (actually I wanted) a fish box in the deck area (in place of the waste tank). Also, we considered a lid access for fuel tank removal a must. Les felt that the factory might agree to these changes if we gave them enough time.

The boat went into production the week of 2/15. Les and his dad have made weekly trips to the factory and put in hours of extra time (working with Cam at the factory) to make these changes work. Without Les's help, our boat would not have been built ( what a great business E.Q. Marine is).

As for the Sealand head, it works off of the freshwater pump. Flushes use about a pint of water and the waste can be macerated and pumped overboard (where legal) or pumped out through a deck fitting (standard marine head setup). Is this the same as yours on the Tyboo 25?

We are very excited to take delivery (in April) of our boat ! :D

Jerry and Helen
 
Yep. Same system for the head. Ours is plumbed right to a pressure demand FW pump and flushes for as long as you hold the foot lever down. The same pump and tanks also serve the water heater, shower and sink in the head compartment. (The earlier CD25's have a larger head located on the port side aft in the cabin.) The galley is narrower than the new CD25's, and the cabin door and aisle are off center to starboard.)

We also have a macerator pump and a selector valve on the tank. Three miles offshore in the Pacific is legal for discharge as near as I can tell. And B~C is usually eight miles out, so anywhere close to the Blue~C I figure is fair game for sewage pumping!

We are very excited to take delivery (in April) of our boat!
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...and we are very excited to see this new boat up here in the big river this summer!
 
Mike,

Your Tyboo 25 is indeed a rare boat (as you well know), all of the new 25's that I filmed at the SBS (2 total) had hand water pumps, no hot water, and Portapotty heads.

What makes this so interesting, is that I tried (begged) Mark Toland to build us a 25 (1995) with the accommodations on your Tyboo and he turned me down. We then purchased an Olympic 26XLF. Do you know if your boat was upgraded later or were the options included when new.

Wow! I'm really excited to see your boat too. I've seen Steve's Shearwater (at Newport last summer) and I don't think that he has the same options but I'm not sure. Maybe he'll read this post and reply.

Thanks for viewing our photos (which Les took) and for your kind comments.

Jerry
 
Jerry,

She is a beaut! Towed her back to EQ today with many thumbs up and horns honking... fun trip.

Old Dusty was just a horse holder for Les on this one - no credit (other than as a sounding board for Les's ideas). I can almost guarantee that you will be totally happy. The factory did a great job, as usual. Great bunch of guys!

Dusty
 
Dusty,

Thanks for the update, glad to hear that all went well on the trip from Monroe and that the boat is safe in your shop. Now the rigging begins but we don’t have as much boat jewelry to install as Bill and Dave did so it won’t be long before we get the call to pick her up.

It is so refreshing to deal with a guy like Les, who offers service in a world of no-service.

Also, horse handlers get their due credit and a thank you from us. We look forward to finally meeting you when our time comes to take delivery of the boat.

Jerry & Helen
 
Jerry, Shearwater must must be the original configuration. No hot water, shower or pressurized water. Has a Jasco electric toilet with a 10 gal holding tank under the back dinette seat.

I am with Mike on the locker layout felt that the original design had a better arrangement.

Great looking boat, what are you powering with?

stevej
 
Steve,

Thanks for the quick reply. I admired your boat at Newport this past summer; we even crossed the bar at the same time after some great Halibut fishing. One evening, I talked with you about how you acquired the Shearwater and how rare the early 25's are. However, I failed to ask about the layout and specifically any upgrades.

We are powering our boat with a Honda BF 135 (main)and a BF 15 (kicker). Originally we planned for a 150 but learned from Les that the torque curve of the 135 is nearly identical to the 150 up to 5000 RPM. Even Mike (the Honda Rep. at the SBS) agreed with Les (he always wins) and so, we went with the 135 and an autopilot (not a bad trade).

Looking forward to talking with you at Newport this summer.

Jerry
 
I took delivery of my new CD25 this week. I made many mistakes in the buying process for this boat, the biggest of which was not specifying, or clairifying everything about the boat, and not having seen the boat prior to delivery day. I put too much trust in the dealer and paid the price. I know the rules for this site say to "Just be nice", and I will try to be, untill I figure out which of my concerns are valid and which I am being too picky about. If the head nerd will set me up with a photo album, I would be glad to post some photos of my QC issues and see what you all of you have to say, and what you think I should do about it.
 
Minnow,

Sorry to hear that you're having a less than enjoyable experience with your CD-25 purchase.

Most of the problems experienced with the 25 (based on my conversations with owners,dealer, and the factory) have been resolved to the customers satisfaction. I would urge you to voice your concerns first with your dealer (that's why selecting a good dealer is so important). Since the factory is in WA and you're in NJ, your dealer should be willing to work with you if you remain reasonable.

I would like to see your post with concerns and photos to illustrate.
 
Minnow":278dcg7t said:
I know the rules for this site say to "Just be nice", and I will try to be, untill I figure out which of my concerns are valid and which I am being too picky about. If the head nerd will set me up with a photo album, I would be glad to post some photos of my QC issues and see what you all of you have to say, and what you think I should do about it.
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Hi Minnow,

Sorry to hear of the problems with your new C-Dory. Here's to hoping things get squared away to your satisfaction.

You've now got an album - feel free to fill 'er up with pics. Link is in your profile, and under your name with each post.

RE knocking the dealer and/or factory - neither are against the rules here. Civil and polite constructive criticism is certainly worthy of discussion, and folks here will be glad to share opinions regarding the validity of your concerns, and how you might wish to address them.

So...with that aside, let's get on with making you another happy C-Dory owner. Post those pics, and let us know what's on your mind. :)
 
OK, here goes. About a half mile into the sea trial, an alarm sounded, and and icon on the Honda digital gauge was blinking. Looking it up in the manual showed it as the water separator alarm. Water in the tank had overwhelmed the Racor and tripped the float in the Honda separator. At least we made it back to the dock. The dealer siphoned out some (most?) of the water, but it is I still need to drain the water from the Racor every few miles. Next were the scratches in the port windshield. Pointed out to the dealer, he replied "huh". I asked the rigging mechanic if he had rigged the water heater drain, and he said it came from the factory that way. (See photo album).
So I was sent home with a 2003 Load-Rite trailer that had been used and sold to me as new. The trailer tracked real strait, probably due to the 580 pound tongue weight. I happened to be under the trailer in my driveway, (fixing the short in the trailer running light circuit), when I spotted the crack running the full length of the keel. It was pretty easy to spot because the lousy wax job made it stand out much better. Next I pulled a deck hatch to see why water was getting in, and found an oversize cutout and an undersized caulk bead and no sealant on the screws. These are just a few of the more obvious deficiencies that I have noticed in the 7 days that I have owned this boat.
I'm sorry if all my posts have been negative, but I still think that this boat is the right one for me. I just hope that the dealer and the factory will do right by me. I will most certainly let you know.
Brady on Minnow
 
Brady, I looked at your pictures and can understand your concern. Most of the problems look easily fixable and unfortunately, explainable. The one that I don't understand is the crack in the hull. It looks like it was dropped in transit. Does the dealer have an explanation for it? It has to be frustrating to be on the other coast from the factory. If you were close to the C-Dory plant these issues would be a lot easier to resolve.
Lyle
 
Brady,

I can only speak for myself on this, but I for one really appreciate that you have spoken up regarding your issues! If I was looking into buying a C-Dory, I would want to know the good and the bad so that I could make the best decision. However much we all love these boats, they are by no means a cheap purchase, new or used. I have learned a great deal from the positive and not so positive comments posted on this and the C-Dog site and I owe everyone who has posted these experiences a debt of gratitude. Sorry that your first week has been such a disapointment. Please let us know how this gets resolved or if I or we can help in any way!

Chivita Dave
 
Brady, as a waiting-to-be 25 C-Dory owner we are sorry to hear that you are having some problems with yours. I hope everything will be resolved to your satisfaction very soon. I would be curious to hear about the performance of the Honda 150 when you get a chance.

On a more positive note, we went up to EQ Marine today and took a look at Jerry's boat. It looks really great and his modifications turned out well, we will probably be copying some of them. Also had a nice conversation with Les and would like to thank him again for the time that he gave us. Jerry, we will be sending some photos your way soon.

Scott and Laurie
 
I looked at your picture of the hotwater heater drain. It is interesting that I saw the same type of installation on a new CD25 at the Sacramento boat show. It should be easy to fix the kinked hose. The question is, Why would the installer or dealer be happy with that type of work!

Wanabe CD owner,
Steve
 
Hi all, I was looking at Minnow's pictures and the marks on the keel are consistant with what I saw on one of our boats. I believe these to be mold marks or something that was done to the boat at the factory, in transit, or at the dealer. It is hard to tell from a photo, but I doubt the problem is serious. The boat is basically solid fiberglass at the keel and the amount of force required to crack it would be substantial. These are problems that should be fixed before the customer takes possession, but sometimes things slip by. The most important thing is that the issues are resolved in a timely manner to the customer's satisfaction.

The remaining items look to be easily resolved at the dealership level. There is still little excuse for the issues, and I can understand the customer's distress. I think a happy outcome is easily attainable as long as cool heads prevail.

Good luck, Randy.
 
Brady,

First, let me say how nice “minnow” looks on her trailer. Yours is the first red CD-25 that I’ve seen. :thup

The concerns that you’ve raised are well documented in your album photos. What an experience, water in the fuel on the sea trial and a used 2003 trailer sold to you as new. :thdown Why did you accept the boat in that condition (guess maybe you were overcome by “minnows” beauty, easy to see why)?

The dealer should make right the trailer, water in the fuel, heater, windshield, and the leak in the deck hatch. The crack or gouge is the one that causes pause. Does it appear to be a crack or was the damage caused by impact with something (there appear to be stress lines in the gel near the damaged area)?
You might consider getting a neutral opinion from a local surveyor (not connected with the dealer) to try to determine the cause and severity of the damage.

Please continue your posts here; I sense that you are a positive person caught up in a very negative situation. I could make you feel better by telling the story of my good friend’s experience with the delivery of his new Bayliner 2858 but there isn’t enough time. Let’s just say his nightmare was far worse than yours.

No boat is perfect but a good dealer often shelters the customer from many manufacturing defects. The C-Dory is a great boat (just ask anyone on this site) but they do have imperfections (some more than others). Our job as consumers is to make the factory aware of defects (usually through the dealer) and seek a proper repair. If the defects continue and the factory ignores quality control, then consumers will vote with their feet. Thus far, C-Dory has made good effort to make sure that their customers are satisfied.

Good luck,

Jerry
 
More on the crack. The larger crack does have slightly rounded edges as if it might be a mold line or a gel coat lap area, but it is surrounded by smaller typical gel coat stress cracks. I talked to the dealer this morning and followed up with E-mails and pictures to him and also to Jeff @ C-Dory. Yesterday I call a marine surveyor and he offered much advice, but declined to get involved unless or until my dealer drops the ball. I will post progress reports as I get them. B
 
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