Ron &Bob, thanks for the info i love hearing about the handling abilites of the 21.appriceate the response Ron i feel like i"m in the same boat some of the best places off the hudson river are roudout creek ,catskill;etc...also about 50 -80mi.,good resturants nice small towns and so on......but but a 7 to 8 hr trip ?for dinner?bit to long .thats one of the only downsides of the 21.the 25 is nice but i cant afford one right now ,the eastern and atlas sure soud like they are alot more versitle speed wise (sea wolfs pic.)sounds like ur loyal to ur tug and i like to hear that .i guess i have to stop making it out to be something it isn"t,but i sure do like that little tug,thats why i wish they would just make it a little bit faster u said it yourself /i know its possible. dont take it personal but after a10 min demo 15 more at dock ifelt like i was in a sardine can in pilot house /im only 5"10 and felt cramped in v berth by myself /walking around rear deck felt like playn heel-toe -heel-toe,without trippin over motor box..........BUT I WOULD STILL PLUNK 60 G"s down on it ! ha ha. i know u know what i mean cause u guys beat me to it ireally like that little tug and appriceate any info i can get on it cause besides 3 guys going to alaska i cant find anything on it even all magazine ads only show 25 now.u guys are helpin me through my winter boat jones up here /please keep it commin brats fun talkin to u...........john