Calif Property Tax & Your C-Dory

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C-Bill

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This subject will not interest those living in Calif as long as they are aware of the reporting requirements when their C-Dory changes it's "SITUS." :roll:

This deaf-and-dumb C-Dory owner, with a permanent residence in northern Nevada, is now a little smarter about Calif. personal property tax on nondocumented vessels in dry storage for more than 90 days in Sacramento County. :x

I thought I was real cool putting my boat in dry storage through the winter - until the tax man cometh.

Now, I understand why California could be the first state to file bankruptcy. I expect I'll return my boat to Nevada soon and put it in dry storage at home. California fishing doesn't excite me either - nonresidents contribute $100 plus for that license annually.

On my trips to use the boat through the winter, the wife and I spent quite a bit on motels, restaurants and fishing stuff. All my 2009 boat fees have been previously paid in Nevada and now I have to pay a property tax in California. Great!!

The dry storage location in Sacramento County, is very nice and a convenient location to come off the hill and connect to the boat and travel North, South or West. It's a savings of expensive diesel fuel.

Bill
 
Yes- The Counties check the storage facilities for stored boats, etc.
I live in Santa Barbara County, but since the boat is stored in Ventura County, I pay the tax to Ventura County.
It would be best to know someone with some property that you could store it on, covered up, for the winter.
 
When you move the boat back to NV, be sure and document that to Calif. Tax board. Just because you remove the boat from the storage lot does not relieve you of the burden of Calif. Personal Property tax. You have to PROVE that the boat is removed from the state.

This applies to both state registered (any state) and documented vessels.

I went through this in the past, and eventually got out of the taxes, by submitting copies of my passports, marina receipts and ships logs for 4 years I was out of California and "world" cruising.
 
Another reason I moved. Time to do away with all these separate states and licenses and fees and tags and just have one fishing, hunting, gun, car, driving, licence for the whole country.
 
Yep - CA can be a PITA on these things. When I moved from CA to Washington, I got a notice from Ca. to renew my car license plates. I sent it back, indicating that I had moved and that the car was now licensed in WA. A few months later, I got another notice from CA to renew my car license plates. Again I sent it back indicating that I had moved. A month or two later, I got ANTOHER notice from CA to renew my car license plates. AGAIN I sent it back indicating that I had moved. Then just as I was about to close on a mortgage for my very first house, I got a call from a bill collector who the State of California had contacted to collect the license fees I didn't owe! Not a good time to have something negative on my credit record. I wound up making many phone calls and threatening legal action if this screwed up my mortgage application and eventually got the matter resolved. I'm very happy to live in Washington and not to have to deal with Ca. state income tax and other CA specific issues. (I still think it's a great place to VISIT).
 
Washington state isn't much better- but will let you keep the boat here up to six months. Beyond that, you can buy a one year permit, after which the boat must leave the state for at least 2 years.

If kept here longer, it is subject to sales tax and registration fees. And department of revenue people come check marina docks regularly.
 
I was "caught" one winter in Sequim. Washington State wanted proof I had paid sales tax--I sent a copy of the check and receipt from CA. They said as long as I took the boat out of state within 60 days, I was exempt from other taxes. The agent had visited the John Wayne Marina in February, so April seemed to be close enough for them...

It appears that WA state watercraft tax (1/2 of 1% of the boats value) per year is nearly as bad as California's.

I wonder if the powers in Calif. realize that they chase many citizens out of the state by the high taxes? They are the reason that many of my friends left the state.
 
thataway":3ixoslw6 said:
I wonder if the powers in Calif. realize that they chase many citizens out of the state by the high taxes? They are the reason that many of my friends left the state.
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Unfortunately, you can't provide the services most residents expect while concurrently paying a staggering amount of taxpayer money on nonresident services. Neither can you provide the service if property and personal income tax income has dropped precipitously, new services are insisted upon and scofflaws abound.

I'm a CA native. One observation over the years has been that many folks who moved here fell in love with the weather/shoreline/rural atmosphere but missed big city services and soon pushed for more roads, shopping and conveniences. Turned my state from a farming/rural state to bustling cities surrounded by sprawling bedroom cities and malls. Can't do that without tax funded infrastructure. So we now reap what decades of mostly uncontrolled growth has sown.

Sad but a fact of life. Sorry Doc, though many move out (Don't let the door hit 'em) even more move in.

My personal rant down here in San Diego is that the local government brays "conserve water" while continuing to issue water meter permits without any regard to the effect these new meters will have on our total supply.

If push came to shove though, I'm just happy I can continue to pay the price to live here.

Don
 
California---One view........


California


Just One State
This is only one State...............If this doesn't open your eyes nothing will !

From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

(All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.



Somethiing to think about.............................No prejudice intended, just the economic facts are important to me.


Joe. :disgust
 
And all of the above is why I now live and pay taxes in the Great State of Washington!!

(Of course Washington is $9B in the hole!!)

When I paid personal property taxes in California on my boat, the tax assessment date was Jan 1. Just being there 90 days, (unless it includes Jan 1) should not trigger a personal property tax.

That date is a good reason for transients to NOT be in California on New Years Day.
 
I'm another of those ex california natives. Great Grandparents on moms side moved into Mendocino County in 1862. Was a wonderland when I grew up there in the 50's and 60's especially in rural Potter Valley. We moved to Wyoming in Jan l981. The pot industry was just starting to boom then and we could see raising our three young boys there wasn't going to be anything like my youth. Now Mendocino county north to Humboldt the heart of the pot industry and about the only one left is one of the few areas in the US the population is in a decline. All places to work except government and service related are just about non-existent. And the service related small business's and jobs are totally dependent on the pot industry which doesn't produce taxes for the government. Land prices especially anywhere pot can be grown is still high which makes it very difficult for anyone not in that business to pay their taxes and compete with all the ones that do have tax free high dollar incomes. Kids raised in this invirement see little need for education when they see either their parents or friends parents who are living so well at least in material possesions. Pit bulls abound and property lines dare not be crossed even the national forest must be entered if at all very carefully. The people in the industry must take extreme measures to guard their crops and live in fear. The population is almost 50-50 for and against this industry with the 50% against knowing without it all the service industry would go into economic collapse too. I have close relatives that are doing extremely well in this business and others that are just trying to survive due to it. Much emnity due to prosperity achieved by socially accepted illegel means.

In the rest of the state like Thataway Bob says the high personal and business taxes are forcing those that have been supporting the coffers of the government out and they are being replaced with illigal's who like Joe shows are draining what is left.

Though the winters are extreme here in Wyoming with the way California has changed in my life time am very glad we moved and still live in Wyoming.

Jay
 
Jay-

The pot industry is here in Shasta County as well.

The Northern California Drug Task Force harvested and destroyed something like 350,000 plants in Shasta County alone last year, the most in any county in the state.

When we had the big forrest fire month here in mid June to mid july last summer, I wondered if we'd give the Western U.S. the munchies for awhile.

Most of the locals have nothing to do with it though, the pot is grown by Mexicans brought in for that purpose and grown on Forrest Service land.

The unskilled and unemployed locals seem to prefer the "meth industry" instead, which is even more dangerous, disheartening and discouraging.

Fortunately, we're not economically dependent on the pot industry, and it has a fairly minor impact on this county, but the meth production and use accounts for an incredible rise in the crime and family dissolution rates.

Joe. :sad
 
When I get one of those emails claiming a travesty of justice is occurring, my blood boils and I want to forward it to as many people as I can, and as fast as possible. When one is livid about the information presented, it is easy to forward it on without verifying it, which is exactly what trollers, flamers, and other network sociopaths count on.

Not that long ago, I received an email from a friend who apologized for having infected me with a virus, and told me which file to delete. What was actually going on was his computer had indeed become infected, but the email was from the virus itself, to everyone in his contacts list. The file it told us to delete was not a virus, but a crucial windows file. Rather then trying to get through our anti-virus software, it tried to get us to sabotage our own computers. In technical terms it's called 'social engineering'.

Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, the "WHERE YOUR TAXES GO -ILLEGAL ALIENS" email is such a hoax. It has been around since at least 2006, and is alternately attributed to the LA Times Claim or a "retired San Diego police officer." See this link for details.

If you want to check the validity of an email, US-CERT, the United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team, which falls under the Department of Homeland Security, suggests some web sites that provide information about hoaxes and urban legends:

* Urban Legends and Folklore - http://urbanlegends.about.com/
* Urban Legends Reference Pages - http://www.snopes.com/
* TruthOrFiction.com - http://www.truthorfiction.com/
* Symantec Security Response Hoaxes - http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html
* McAfee Security Virus Hoaxes - http://vil.mcafee.com/hoax.asp

As I sit here reading through some of the hoaxes archived on these sites, it's amazing how many of them I remember, and how plausible they seemed at the time.

David B.
 
I purchased my present boat in Calif. The boat is actually parked at our Washington house. Hence the county here in Calif wanted their money, It's not bad enough that I already paid sales tax, now I pay another $200 a year on property tax. I am in the process of transferring the boat reg to Washington as I need to show proof the boat is no longer in the state. I can hardly wait for the next 6 years to pass so I can get the heck out of this state.
 
For record, I am a 4th generation Californian on fathers side (1857--first federal land grants attorney in S. Calif and 3rd generation on my mother's side 1890, Jewler in Watsonville and Long Beach). I do believe that most of us who are native would have prefered that the state remained the way it was in the 40's and 50's. I agree that it seemed to be the newcomers who wanted the changes. I suspect that the percent of hispanic was even greater when my Great Grandfather arrived in the Pueblo de Los Angeles, than it is now. Interesting how cycles come and go.

I have seen statistics which show that the increase of population in California is lower income and those which have left were higher income (and tax paying citizens).

There were more than just tax reasons to leave S. Calif. For example we could buy a nice home on the water for $90,000 in 1992 in Florida, after selling our tract home for over $350,000. No slip rent, insurance half, labor for improvements half the costs etc. Plus there was an atmosphere much more like the 50's in Calif. in rural Florida. Add in, far better boat cruising, far less security risks, and no freeway traffic--it was a "no brainer" to leave California.

If only California had stayed the same--maybe it was TV, and the beautiful mountain vista during the Rose Bowls.... We attended our 50th high school re-union about 6 years ago (Glendale High School)--and the vast majority of my classmates who attended had lived all of their lives within 20 miles of where they grew up.

My children and grandchildren still live in S. Calif. They seem content to stay.
 
I wish you'all would quit talking about a boat property tax! NY State taxes us on everything they can think of. But they haven't heard of this idea yet. Sshh!
 
Hey! I have some new ones! Tax people on the value of home cooked meals! Mowing their lawns! Home haircuts! Anything that would be taxed if you had somebody else do it but decided to do it yourself to save money!
 
Pat Anderson":27be58r2 said:
Anything that would be taxed if you had somebody else do it but decided to do it yourself to save money!
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Good idea. Then you could deduct damages caused by your DIY attempts.

Don :mrgreen:
 
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