CD 22 Cruiser vs. Bayliner Trophy 21

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All you C-Brats have been very helpful to me in answering my questions about the CD. I have been looking for two months for a CD 22 Cruiser in the $15-25K range and it seems to buy a mid 80's or early 90's boat. When I find one, they are on the East coast and I live in Oregon.

Out of frustration I did a Craigslist search for a 21 ft. Bayliner Trophy and there seems to be many in the Pacific Northwest at about 1/2 to 1/3 the cost for the same years. Obviously, that is due primarily to the popularity of the CD and many more Trophy's being made.

I have my heart set on a C-dory, but economics may dictate othewise. Before I even consider a Trophy, I want to get some input from those of you who may have owned both boats. I understand the Trophy is a semi-V or deep V hull. This is much different than the very stable CD. What could a person expect from running a Trophy vs a CD in Puget Sound primarily?

Also, I have always used an outboard on my 16 foot fishing boat, and that is one of the things I like about the CD's. I would assume I would need a closed system cooling system in a Trophy. The ones I have seen have 350 Chevy engines in them. I don't know much about heat exchangers or the amount of upkeep that a person would have with one of these boats, nor the upkeep on the outdrive.

I would also like to get a fuel usage comparison.

As far as my uses go, I would be using the CD mostly from the trailer to the water, and would probably moor it at the Anderson Island Riveria Marina about a month during the summer.

I would really appreciate your feedback.
 
These 2 boats are not even closely related. I have only been on a trophy for a short ride and at displacement speeds it wandered all over. The CD tracks strait in displacement mode. Trophy isn't a pilot house boat. It wants to be planing. The cd is happy to plane or be at displacement speed. Trailering weights are a ways apart as is ease of loading unloading. The cd is a niche boat. The trophy is not. The trophy value continues to decline and the cd will hold it's value. Both boats can use lots of gas, the cd will go a long time at 6 knots. The trophy at 6 knots will wear you out with steering. Very different boats. I haven't seen or heard from many people living aboad or long distance cruising a trophy. The cd has quiet a few. I had clients with trophy's and they liked them. For day fishing. Back to the lodge at night. Fast out , troll, fast back. The cd is worth what they cost. I have had 2 new ones and while I could have had a used
30 foot bayliner for the money, that isn't going to do what my 22 can do. Good luck on the search. lots of boats in the pnw spending a little more at first saves in the medium run. George
 
The trophy and the C-Dory are to completely different boats. The Trophy is deep-V and and most are inboard outboard (I/O), the C-Dory is shallow draft and near flat aft with an outboard. The Trophy will not plane at low speeds (more like 22 KTS) where the C-Dory will plane at 9 KTS. This is a big deal if you are in rough water, as the Trophy will suck all the fuel out of the tank quickly at a speeds lower than planing speed but above idle, due to the deep draft. The Trophy's I/O will be expensive to maintain and has lots of parts below the waterline of the boat, that create more maintenance headaches. The C-Dory's outboard has its engine above the waterline and most have very reliable 90 or twin 40 four stroke outboards. They historically live a long life with light maintenance. The Trophy's trailer weight for the same length boat is also near 1000 lbs higher than the C-Dory, which will require a heaver duty rig to tow.
True, both boats will get the job done, but a C-Dory's value will remain high, when the Bayliner's value will be considerably less than you paid for it when it comes time to sell.
PS, I just paid to replace an I/O on a boat at work and I could have purchased 2 outboards for what it cost for the new engine and outdrive. That particular boat only is mission capable about 50% of the time then all of the other similar boats that we have that are outboard powered.
 
I used to own a 1998 20' Bayliner walk around Trophy with a 150 hp Merc outboard, and to be honest with you it was not that bad of a boat. Was not great but it did what I wanted from it. I never had any problems with it or the motor other than a stuck steering cable, my fault, and I broke a seat, again my fault. Contrary to what you might hear they will not fall apart right in front of your eyes. I will say that the Escort trailers that you find many of them sitting on alot of the time are crap. When I traded it in on my CD after 8 years of ownership I only lost 6 grand on it. And that was with a dealer. Am much happier with the CD though. I still see my old Trophy out on the water sometimes. Has the same Merc on it too
 
When my wife and I bought our 2007 CD we could have easily bought a new Trophy. After research this is what I found
Trophy = greater depreciation, more money in mainentance, quite a bit more fuel to get to the same location (big deal as we use our boats, specially when gas was at $5.00 a gallon).
CD= Fully enclosed 360 cabin, great economy, a pleasure at displacement speed, a great owners group, and wonderful resale.

Now if your never going to sell than resale has no place in the equation. However one should always have an exit stradegy. You never know how your situation is going to change bigger, smaller, health issues, etc.

If your pockets are lined every weekend and your OK spending well over a hundred when you want to explore, the trophy might work out well. I simply didn't want fuel cost to stop me from enjoying the boat. Lets say you had the boat ten years. An average weekend of fun in the trophy $100 and only take it out two weekends spring, summer, fall you would spend $16,000 in fuel. That same with a C-dory would be about a third. Kinda makes more sense to look at the CD even if your not looking at resale.
 
Just be patient and one will turn up within a reasonable time and location.

I must admit that I have never heard anyone complain that the boat they wanted was on the EAST Coast! By far, the vast majority are in your area, not the East Coast.

Also, while larger numbers of Bayliners having been produced will have an effect on the price being lower, the quality of a C-Dory far surpasses that of a Bayliner, which is much more important.

Hang in there and good luck with your search!

Regards,

Nick
"Valkyrie"
 
In your post you mention you have your heart set on a C-dory. If that is the case, why consider a Trophy? They say the best day in a boaters life is the day he buys and than sells his boat. It's not true here, we look back fondly on our last C-Dory. I didn't feel like it was the best day.
Owning a C-Dory makes more sense the more you know about boating. (For some people).

The only reason we are selling ours, I am building boats and want to build our next family boat.
 
Thank you all for your help. It is an active users group like C-Brats and the willingness to share information that has been so useful to me and tells me alot about all of you CD owners.

You all have made some pretty pursuasive arguments and I have decided to hang in there and wait for a CD that will work for me. I can't wait to be cruising around the islands in Puget Sound! I'm 64 years old and time is passing quickly.

Thanks all of you.

Terry
 
I have owned a Bayline Ciera (interim boat when we were building larger sailboats--for weekend use to Catalina etc)--I have Also owned a Grady White Adventurer--which is very similar in size, deadrise and layout to the Trophy 21. First the deadrise on the Trophy is from 15 to 19 degrees--far more than the C Dory, but not an extreme deep V (such as Regulator or Contender at 26 degrees).

Yes, the Bayliner will use more fuel, it will plane at a higher speed, and roll more. The quality of the build is better in the C Dory. The Trophy will go into the chop a little better than the C Dory, but now as well in beam seas and down wind/waves.

The I/O cannot be totally removed from the water, such as an outboard can. Thus there are some potential issues with maintenance and corrosion.
 
Like Chuck, I too owned a 1994 Bayliner Trophy 20' walkaround and it was not a bad boat. Very specific design for fishing. But we tend to want to always move up in boats......quality, features, size etc.
Let me just say that I never bought another Bayliner but I have had a 22 CD and now a 25 CD.

Cheers :beer
Tom
 
When I first got the C-Dory, I met a couple who had a Bayliner 22. Not the Trophy, but actually had a reasonable cabin down front, and had many mods done to make it livable. We boated together, frequently. When at a dock, we usually spent more time on the B-boat because there was more room due to the cabin top and enclosure that they put onto their boat.

BUT

Anytime we went anywhere, when it came to refueling, SleepyC was always half (almost to the penny every time), of what their bill was for the Bayliner. That alone, was reason for me to celebrate C-Dorydom.

Their boat had the birth, head and sink. Cooking was on a portable. More comfortable seating for dining onboard for 4 but no cabin heat and double the fuel bill, and double the maintenance cost.

Yup, it went faster in the rough water, but it cost to do it. How long are you thinking of owning the Trophy? You might be on the right track to rethink it. Good luck in finding the one you want.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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In the last two months I bought a 2003 C22 in the northwest for $25000. the boat is in very good condition, so it can be done, I was just lucky to find it when I did.
Hang in there.
Jerry
 
It's been said a hundred times around here, but I'll say it again...have your ducks in a row and be ready to pounce when the boat you want becomes available. Have your financing and everything ready to go. We bought ours 61 minutes after the For Sale ad hit the web!

For many of us, it's the fuel cost that makes us love these boats so much. That means you can actually USE your boat even when gas is crazy expensive. These boats do many things well. They are a compromise like all boats are, but look what you get for your money. It's worth the wait. Keep your eyes open.

Good luck,
Rick
 
browntdb":2g143elt said:
Out of frustration I did a Craigslist search for a 21 ft. Bayliner Trophy and there seems to be many in the Pacific Northwest at about 1/2 to 1/3 the cost for the same years. Obviously, that is due primarily to the popularity of the CD and many more Trophy's being made.
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My two cents worth... The lower price of the Trophy reflects the quality of the boat, versus that of the CD...
 
Looks like one just sold recently from Sequim to Marysville. Like Rick said, have to have all the ducks in line. The first 4 boats I went after, I was somewhere down the list from #1. Doesn't make much difference, with a C-Dory, if you are not number one on the list, you are not going to get it.

Good luck and don't give up. It will be worth the wait.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
Thank you all very much for your input. It looks like the CD for me will need to be a 1987 or later Cruiser because I need the cabin bed configuration. I am now checking every day here, yachtworld, boattrader, and craigslist.

Terry
 
browntdb":pijwe5gr said:
As far as my uses go, I would be using the CD mostly from the trailer to the water, and would probably moor it at the Anderson Island Riveria Marina about a month during the summer.

I would really appreciate your feedback.
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Hi Terry,

It sounds like you have a place on Anderson Island. I have for about 17 years and our Tomcat is in dry storage on the Island right now.

You probably already saw this one but it does look pretty nice:

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/C- ... ted-States

Good luck in your search.
 
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