CD19 Angler suitable for day cruising with 4 people

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Doug n

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Hello there. I'm looking at the 19 angler to be used mainly for day cruising with two couples. Sight seeing and occasional fishing on inland lakes in northern British Columbia. Very doubtful it would ever be used for coastal cruising. I like the angler in that there is no bulkhead at the back of the cabin and we can all talk and see each other while under way and at rest. Looking at Ari and the cooler/seats in the cockpit, this looks do-able. A camper-back would be used to make this all one big room. One concern is whether it would be a good idea to be underway with approximately 300 lb passenger weight at the back of the cockpit. Does this boat seem like a reasonable option? I like the mid-teens cruising speed, economy, and build quality. We don't really need the cruising amenities of the 22 cruiser. I'm finding it quite hard to find a boat that doesn't need to be doing 18 - 20 knots or so to get on plane. I was on Peter and Judy's 22 (thanks again for letting me ask a bunch of questions) in Grace Harbour this summer and quite impressed with the quality of the boat. I am definitely looking at used boats and quite open to suggestions. My boating experience is mainly small trawlers and a couple of lake type runabouts. Currently own a 19 foot displacement hull cabin cruiser I built for local lakes and I'm partners with my brother on a trawler in Campbell River.
Doug
 
The 19 should work fine--but one should try and keep weight out of the stern on all of the boats....put in seating further forward, and it would be a good solution.
 
Doug,
Of course I agree with everything Bob has said.
We have a 22 cruiser and use it for day trips in southern Georgian Bay with, often, 5 or 6 people aboard. People tend to move about and assigned seating is inconsistent with happy passengers....... I have found trim tabs and a Permatrim on the motor to be especially helpful with large and mobile loads.
Like you, I value planing at modest speeds and the 22 does very well with that.
Andy
 
Thank-you for your replies. My brother is going to look at one for me in a few hours and I wanted to confirm that it looks like it will work for what I want to do. I'll let you know how it goes. Might take a few days. This seems to be happening quickly but the decision making process has been going on for quite some time with the main difficulty being 'what is it I really want in a boat'. The angler looks like it will work. One thing that really helps is I feel that if I do purchase a c-dory and then find in a year or two my needs change, I can sell it and not lose my shirt. Being retired I have a limited amount of resources and this seems like a prudent way to go. I have seen a few people go through several c-dory models until they get the right one...
Thanks, Doug
 
HI Doug. Just to avoid confusion, if you are looking at a C-Dory 19, it is only a 19, yes a 19. There is only one model, it is a 19. The Angler and also the Cruiser models are in the 22 foot version. You are correct in that there is no aft bulkhead on the 19, but in the Angler (and also the Cruiser), on the 22 there is a solid aft cabin bulkhead.

In both of the 16 foot C-Dorys, (there is an Angler and Cruiser version), but both of them are open cabin styles.

Then there is the C-Dory Classic, an early 80's version, that does not have the extra cabin space of the Cruiser, so it is missing the Galley and second seat on port side and the table. The cockpit is larger on the Angler, and more the same size as on the Classic. The transom is set up for only a single outboard and the bottom of the hull is flat.

Currently there is a nice Classic for sale in the Seattle area for a very good price.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Doug: I had a 19 (check out my photo album). You mentioned Ari (Aurelia?). His boat was amazing and the mods Greg did were second to none. What a boat!! BUT imho, I'd steer you towards the 22. The 22 is the bread and butter of C Dory and the Brats love them.

You also mentioned that the boat's goal was for 2 couples. I'd rather have the 22 for 2 couples. More space to spread out in, a galley and a little dinette.

Another thing: It's hard to find a 19 (unless you're putting in a new factory order. And if that's the case then I'd definitely order a 22 because of the resale value).

Cheers.
 
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Thanks Harvey. I'm really interested in the lack of cabin bulkhead at this point. Appreciate your input.
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I guess you could get an older "Classic" and take out that aft cabin bulkhead. Then a canvas camperback would give you a big aft room there. Probably find a Classic for less $$$ than a 19.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
I think that the 22 Angler would be better without the rear bulkhead, just have a drop canvas, and agree that would be a better option than the 19 for a four person dayboat. But I'm a warm water boater!
 
I really appreciate everyone's input on this. Yes, I have definitely thought of a 22. I had been on the look-out for 22 cruiser for several years actually until I realistically looked at what I want a boat for. I had built a 19' displacement hulled cabin cruiser and launched it a few years ago. It has sink/stove/portapotty/berth etc but in a small scale. The idea was to use it for cruising wherever possible. Since I launched it, none of the above amenities have even been used once. Wasn't planned that way but it is what it is. Wasn't due to the size of the boat or it's arrangements but more due to the time we would make available to go boating. The boat has been used for day cruises on local lakes with my wife and/or a few friends. Occasionally take friends fishing. Most of the time it is just with my wife. It is ok for day cruises but would definitely prefer the cabin to be open to the cockpit for better conversation when we have friends aboard and have the feeling of an open boat but still be able to enclose everything with canvas . Current boat has a bulkhead/door. Looking for more speed as well on occasion. I don't think that our boating will change much, being used more as a lake run-about but having some good weather protection which is important as we live in northern british Columbia and want to extend the season as much as possible. The size of my current boat seems to be ok and that is pushing me towards the 19. At this point I would like to try the 19 but could always go larger in the future. I have come across a 09 19 angler with everything I would want in it (new camper back especially) in very good condition for a quite reasonable price. It is at a price that I think it could be easily sold in the future to go bigger if necessary.
I should mention that we're not missing out when it comes to cruising as we go for 2-3 weeks every summer in the desolation sound/broughtons on a boat that my brother and I own. I also have no intention of parting with the boat I built so we can still go for extended cruises locally, if the opportunities do develop. Can't have too many boats.
 
I posted a similar thing a couple years ago. I was soliciting feedback on a 12 foot Hyde drift boat from a fly fishing forum. I spelled out my use case which was 99% of time fishing a lake near my house with 1 extra passenger. These guys jumped all over me how I would hate the 12 foot form factor and regret my decision. They all just thought of themselves - who mostly run big western rivers.

So I ignored them and bought the used boat in Idaho - love it.
https://youtu.be/UheuPIxIdPc

I have 13 years with my 19' C-Dory. I do think it can handle 4 people, but you will shuffle around a lot. I like 3 onboard
 
BTW here is my CD-19 with 4 adults on board. I have a 90hp Etec. A little overlooked seat is in V-berth in the cut out looking aft.

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Thanks for the info. I expect to have 2 normally but on occasion may have company. The friends that we boat with, we've known for at least 30 years and we tend to talk a lot, hence the open layout. I'll know by the middle of next week if I have a new boat or not but expecting it to go through ok. Biggest problem will be waiting 6 months to get it out on the local lakes. Water will be quite hard around here very soon. Doug
 
Hello there. Yes, I did pick up the 19 in Nanaimo. My apologies for not posting on this thread. I posted on the welcome to the c-brats thread a few weeks ago. The boat appears to have been well built and equally well cared for. For what I want, it sure appears to have been an excellent choice. Having the cabin open to the cockpit is probably the best feature for me. With the full cockpit canvas it seems to be one big room and will be great in cooler weather when we carry extra passengers. Being able to open it all up when the weather is nicer is just as great. Of course my thoughts may change when I get the boat on the water in May at the earliest.... Friends who have seen this boat, and have been out with us on the boat I built, have commented that this one should be more useful. Reading about concerns of stern weight I'll have to wait and see how everything goes. I have a permatrim in my shop to install in the spring. The boat has a 75hp Yamaha and 8hp Yamaha kicker. Two batteries installed between the fuel tanks. I don't think that the batteries were originally in this location as this causes some access problems. The source of the problem is flotation foam between the two fuel tanks. I've looked through many albums but haven't seen the same type of foam installation. Could easily be that I have just missed them. It is all nicely finished off but hangs down enough that you can't really get at the batteries and anything behind them, due to height restrictions, without taking up the fiberglass floors, moving them out of the way, and then sliding the battery boxes forward so you can take the covers off of them. Just remembered that I also had to take the fiberglass trim panels off that are in front of the fuel tanks so that I could pull the batteries out. One battery was at right angles to the other and this covered the opening totally, necessitating the panel removal. Rotating one battery will make the panel removal unnecessary but won't help the lack of height clearance. The batteries aren't well secured as well. Once I have an album I'll post pictures and it will make more sense. This is something that I want to rectify but don't want to make a bunch of changes until I get the boat out some. I can always put them into the port and starboard rear compartments. Re-wiring is no problem and I have the tools to make good marine cables. Any thoughts and suggestions on this would be appreciated. Clear and quick access to the bilge pump is important and definitely not there at the moment.
Thanks, Doug
 
Ref the batteries: most are group 24's installed in the small upper lazaretts. Usually I have moved them to the area between the tanks in covered boxes (group 27). I have never seen floatation as you describe. With that area open it is easy to move the batteries in and out. I wonder what role small amount of floatation there would really play? Access to the batteries and bilge pumps is far more likely an issue.

For tie down, consider glassing some cleats to the floor--PVC lumber would a good choice, and then you can screw straps(footman's loops to hold the end of the strap) into the glassed in PVC and not penetrate the core of the bottom of the boat. This avoids moisture in the core.
 
Thanks for your comments. I have pictures in my album that show the problem. Moving the batteries or removing the flotation are my options I think. Probably go with moving the batteries initially. Don't really want to do much hacking away at fiberglass on my new to me boat. Once the newness has worn off I'll be jumping into renovation projects, I'm sure. Sure is a strange place for flotation. Had a quick try at posting pictures in this thread but didn't work so well. Windows 10 could be the problem. Will try firefox later.
Doug
 
I would recommend putting back into the storage up out of the way. Plenty of room and for the most part dry.
I guess I would say "after" you get the salt that is built up off, The salt away works well. I keep mine on a trailer though. Welcome to the 19. Mine is for sale but only for one reason... I can't deal with the slamming in the more often then not chop and swells we have here.
Regarding the permatrim, I used my boat for about a year before I installed one (a different brand that required no drilling) and it was a difference of NIGHT AND DAY . It will cut the hard hitting slamming down about 50%. I felt as if I got a new boat.
One note: If you use the whale tail that requires no drilling... Only snug the set screws. Im the guy that over tightens and it pulled the set screw out of its setting.
Hope this helps.
Richard
 
Attempting to post pictures using firefox instead of win10
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First image shows the battery boxes still in place. Hard to see but they are there and fairly tight to the flotation foam above them.
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Second image is batteries removed. Quite a mess I know. Will clean it all up when warmer. Fiberglass panels in front of fuel tanks are just set in place and not attached.
 
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