dogon dory
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CD25 Swamped in Cook Inlet
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Guy's, I have read the thread and I do not understand what the real issue is here. I do all of my boating in the upper Chesapeake Bay in shallow water and currents nothing like you all experience over there. By the way, shallow water over here in the Bay is <60' in almost all cases. I am really interested in what you all are involved with and would like to learn something from your experiences. How about teaching an old geezer from your experiences? I love the water and the more I learn... the more I know I do not know.
Be thankful you can tell of those close calls and enlighten others as to avoid such risks if possible. Butch
Be thankful you can tell of those close calls and enlighten others as to avoid such risks if possible. Butch
dogon dory
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Hi Folks,
One of the first things I did when I purchased my 83, 22 C-dory Angler was to fill in the sides of the Motor well with storage lockers. I then made a splash board to bring the hight of the forward part of the motor well up to the hight of the storage lockers, which about 2" below the deck. (Got this idea from Magoo a few years ago.) The board is held on by four slide bolts.
I have a bulge pump on a removable board so it sits in the indentation by the drain plug. To this day, I don't know how it works, because I have never had enough water in the boat.
On my trip from New Bedford to Nantucket in 25 to 35 knot winds, I had no problem, but I was always thinking about a poop wave.
As for an electric anchor hoist, that is in the works for next year. while out anchored in Nantucket Harbor, the wind piped up. the tide turned creating the problem of tide and wind going the same way. It took some doing to get the anchor in, so I decided that Bill Ferio is right. An anchor windless beats a chiroproctor's bill.
It takes stories like the CD swamping to wake us up and rethink things. The 22' C-dory is a great boat, but it does not have the self-bailing cockpit. We have to watch our weather, but for that we get great economy and versitility. I was on a 22' Glacier Bay twin hull, with twin 150's the other day. Great stability and speed, but at one gallon per nautical mile. We get about five nautical miles per gallon on my 75, four stroke Yahama. You can not beat that.
Before going out on patrol yesterday with the USCGAux, we had to make out a GAR Form. This form is a risk assessment for taking in the boat, crew, leadership (me), the weather conditions, the area, and the difficulty of the patrol. (Towing exercise is more difficult than showing the flag.) I made it out without getting feedback from the crew, and got called down for it. After the Senior Chief explained it and its use, I relaxed that it is something all of us should use when going out. The process makes us think about what we are doing, and how dangerous it may be, or could get to be, because it reminds us of what we are doing.
GAR stands for Green, Amber, and Red. We add up the numbers, and if it is under, say 22, it is a good (green), if it is over, say 30, then we review it to see if it is a go or no-go. Over,say, 30, we stay ashore. This GAR came about after a Coast Guard Boat was lost on the Niagara River. If the Risk Assessment was done, they would not have gone.
If I had done a GAR Report before leaving New Bedford, I would never have left. (Oh, but what a great experience.)
As for PFCs. When we teach safe boating classes in the Auxiliary, we can not emphasize enough the importance of wearing a PFC. When I do the lecture on Boating Equiptment at the BS&S Course, I wear tan inflatable PFC that I wear all season long. I tell the students that if it is comfortable, you will wear it. It works.
Thank you for letting me share.
Fred Heap
One of the first things I did when I purchased my 83, 22 C-dory Angler was to fill in the sides of the Motor well with storage lockers. I then made a splash board to bring the hight of the forward part of the motor well up to the hight of the storage lockers, which about 2" below the deck. (Got this idea from Magoo a few years ago.) The board is held on by four slide bolts.
I have a bulge pump on a removable board so it sits in the indentation by the drain plug. To this day, I don't know how it works, because I have never had enough water in the boat.
On my trip from New Bedford to Nantucket in 25 to 35 knot winds, I had no problem, but I was always thinking about a poop wave.
As for an electric anchor hoist, that is in the works for next year. while out anchored in Nantucket Harbor, the wind piped up. the tide turned creating the problem of tide and wind going the same way. It took some doing to get the anchor in, so I decided that Bill Ferio is right. An anchor windless beats a chiroproctor's bill.
It takes stories like the CD swamping to wake us up and rethink things. The 22' C-dory is a great boat, but it does not have the self-bailing cockpit. We have to watch our weather, but for that we get great economy and versitility. I was on a 22' Glacier Bay twin hull, with twin 150's the other day. Great stability and speed, but at one gallon per nautical mile. We get about five nautical miles per gallon on my 75, four stroke Yahama. You can not beat that.
Before going out on patrol yesterday with the USCGAux, we had to make out a GAR Form. This form is a risk assessment for taking in the boat, crew, leadership (me), the weather conditions, the area, and the difficulty of the patrol. (Towing exercise is more difficult than showing the flag.) I made it out without getting feedback from the crew, and got called down for it. After the Senior Chief explained it and its use, I relaxed that it is something all of us should use when going out. The process makes us think about what we are doing, and how dangerous it may be, or could get to be, because it reminds us of what we are doing.
GAR stands for Green, Amber, and Red. We add up the numbers, and if it is under, say 22, it is a good (green), if it is over, say 30, then we review it to see if it is a go or no-go. Over,say, 30, we stay ashore. This GAR came about after a Coast Guard Boat was lost on the Niagara River. If the Risk Assessment was done, they would not have gone.
If I had done a GAR Report before leaving New Bedford, I would never have left. (Oh, but what a great experience.)
As for PFCs. When we teach safe boating classes in the Auxiliary, we can not emphasize enough the importance of wearing a PFC. When I do the lecture on Boating Equiptment at the BS&S Course, I wear tan inflatable PFC that I wear all season long. I tell the students that if it is comfortable, you will wear it. It works.
Thank you for letting me share.
Fred Heap
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tyboo a quick word on tieing off to the rear cleat. DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!
heres what happen a few years back it my buddy cliff and why I have never meet his dad. cliff and father love to sturgen fish the upper c in a big way. they have the boat for it. a 24ft alumanim thunderjet sled with hard top and a 454 . So One day they go to pull the anchor with a big red float and his dad ties it off on a cleat while cliff motors up stream to pull the anchor. the engine stalls and they drift down stream with the anchor half way up. the anchor snaggs bottom as thet drift over shallow water and sets. in 3 seconds the boat swaps ends and is now pointing down stream. dad gets thrown out and tangled in rope. the boat is pulled under and flooded so fast that cliff is pushed thru the front window which broke from his weight. he gets to his dad just in time to pull the rope off his head but not off his foot , rope goes tight and no more dad. they never got the boat or dad back. if they had not tied to the cleat then the boat would have just pointed up stream and been re-anchored.
to pull a anchor with a bouy on the river. drive the boat far around the bouy until you are above it and to the side 20 ft. this way you can see the rope from the helm the whole time and it is never under the boat. do not tie the rope off anywhere but the bow. ( spell cheek will not work right now soory)
heres what happen a few years back it my buddy cliff and why I have never meet his dad. cliff and father love to sturgen fish the upper c in a big way. they have the boat for it. a 24ft alumanim thunderjet sled with hard top and a 454 . So One day they go to pull the anchor with a big red float and his dad ties it off on a cleat while cliff motors up stream to pull the anchor. the engine stalls and they drift down stream with the anchor half way up. the anchor snaggs bottom as thet drift over shallow water and sets. in 3 seconds the boat swaps ends and is now pointing down stream. dad gets thrown out and tangled in rope. the boat is pulled under and flooded so fast that cliff is pushed thru the front window which broke from his weight. he gets to his dad just in time to pull the rope off his head but not off his foot , rope goes tight and no more dad. they never got the boat or dad back. if they had not tied to the cleat then the boat would have just pointed up stream and been re-anchored.
to pull a anchor with a bouy on the river. drive the boat far around the bouy until you are above it and to the side 20 ft. this way you can see the rope from the helm the whole time and it is never under the boat. do not tie the rope off anywhere but the bow. ( spell cheek will not work right now soory)
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Good that you are using a smaller line. a tied off line to the rear or middle of the boat is a big no no. I did not know what you meant by a bully line. I did not mean to jump on you for that ,but i do not want others to get the wrong advice on some thing so important.
starcrafttom":1riq67mn said:
That's OK Tom, you thought you were jumping on me anyway, and I'm used to it. Thanks in good part, ironically, to DoD himself.
When I first started running a boat on the C river, the most frequent advice from friends was not to attach an anchor line to the stern. Some of them seemed to be speaking from experience. Up by Puget Island in the river a few years back, I saw a guy anchor well off the beach, back the boat close to shore, and jump out with a stern line. He was probably using one of those Anchor Buddy gizmos. He shoved the boat back out and secured the stern line to a big old snag on the beach. Everything was fine until a car hauler ship came up the channel a good 3/4 mile away. When the wake sucked all the water away from shore, his boat was tightlined and almost rolled over.
So, does anyone have any late report on the condition of the CD25 that was swamped?
Great talk and education. ...but who was it and are they OK?
We use to simply raise the motors to where the rope could not tangle when the boat, or several boats are swinging in circles in the wind and current...?
Starcraft Tom: Grin... OK...so maybe you heard me scream from AL down here... Just remember that once a round leaves the chamber, you can not call it back...fence or not. Enjoyed our time together in Blakely!
Byrdman
We use to simply raise the motors to where the rope could not tangle when the boat, or several boats are swinging in circles in the wind and current...?
Starcraft Tom: Grin... OK...so maybe you heard me scream from AL down here... Just remember that once a round leaves the chamber, you can not call it back...fence or not. Enjoyed our time together in Blakely!
Byrdman
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Tom - Thanks for the update and the initial report.
RF - There you go, friend. A CD25 to rip the floor boards out of!
Joe - Retirement project?
Butch - It has indeed been a very useful discussion. It still amazes me that we can have so many discussions, some of them with vastly different points of view, and still get near the end of it with all civility maintained. Most of the forum sites I have seen are not able to accomplish that. It must be all them rules we have! It's good that Tom thought to post it in the Boating Safety forum, because it is a great spot for it and it would have gotten lost on the General board.
Thanks to all for the great discussion so far and for the stuff yet to come.
RF - There you go, friend. A CD25 to rip the floor boards out of!
Joe - Retirement project?
Butch - It has indeed been a very useful discussion. It still amazes me that we can have so many discussions, some of them with vastly different points of view, and still get near the end of it with all civility maintained. Most of the forum sites I have seen are not able to accomplish that. It must be all them rules we have! It's good that Tom thought to post it in the Boating Safety forum, because it is a great spot for it and it would have gotten lost on the General board.
Thanks to all for the great discussion so far and for the stuff yet to come.
Tyboo-
Not a retirement project for me! I'm sticking with the more manageable and trailable 22, so RF can have at it!
Yup, some of those sites have some members who are downright insulting, have axes to grind, and are happy to deliver the tomahawk chop! Nice that we're all C-Dory civil 'round here!
Joe
Not a retirement project for me! I'm sticking with the more manageable and trailable 22, so RF can have at it!
Yup, some of those sites have some members who are downright insulting, have axes to grind, and are happy to deliver the tomahawk chop! Nice that we're all C-Dory civil 'round here!
Joe
Mike, I use my PC for work and as far as I know (remember that is...) have never played a game on it. C-Brats is the ONLY site that I subscribe to for pure leisure and boating in general.
I know I look forward to checking out what's new on the site, the pictures, and of course the discussion board. Thanks to you and all the other folks that make this possible.... Butch
I know I look forward to checking out what's new on the site, the pictures, and of course the discussion board. Thanks to you and all the other folks that make this possible.... Butch
A-Men.
this is without a doubt the most knowledgeable and most civilized boating board I have ever seen.
I don't understand why other boating web sites can't follow the lead and fine example set by the owners of C-Dorys who contribute to this site.
Valuable knowledge is shared and some of you guys manage to be great wits as well.
I am a very experienced boater but I still manage to learn a lot from all of you that contribute.
Thanks for sharing.
Larry
Florida Keys
22 Rosborough
this is without a doubt the most knowledgeable and most civilized boating board I have ever seen.
I don't understand why other boating web sites can't follow the lead and fine example set by the owners of C-Dorys who contribute to this site.
Valuable knowledge is shared and some of you guys manage to be great wits as well.
I am a very experienced boater but I still manage to learn a lot from all of you that contribute.
Thanks for sharing.
Larry
Florida Keys
22 Rosborough