Check out the St. John's album!

[TyBoo]

If you haven't looked through the album for the recent St. John's River FL cruise, take a look. It has a lot of really cool pictures.

Here are a couple samples:

 

[hardee]

Yes, Thanks Mike, I have been checking it out after each addition Colby has been adding. I nice diversion from cloudy, cold and rainy.

It is in the Cruises and Events album section, and you can click here and take a shortcut.

You're Welcome

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[colbysmith]

Thanks Mike and Harvey for the "ad". Dr. Bob may be uploading more in due time. In the mean time, I already really miss the gathering...Colby

Last night on the drive home...too damn cold to boater camp, so hotel it is. (Snow squal in Effingham, IL. 28 degrees when we checked in, and suppose to get down to 17 degrees. Webasto heater might cut it, but the condensation might become ice cycles dripping on us...)

 

[South of Heaven]

Oh man. I dont think I would allow my boat to be beached on river grass. Too much of a risk of debris for those tiny passages of our O/B cooling systems! You guys are brave. Awesome picture.

Colby, i can relate to your snowy pic! All you need is 12
more inches and you'll be in my current predicament...

Harvey, I'll take cold and airy any day! You PNW guys don't know how good you have it......Seriously

 

[colbysmith]

Jason, actually the boats are NOT beached. Those are floating plants. You just slide in enough to leave your motor free. The floating plants keep you in place while you enjoy a quick break to eat or fish! Then when done, just motor back out, no wear or tear. 8) Colby

 

[South of Heaven]

Jason, actually the boats are NOT beached. Those are floating plants. You just slide in enough to leave your motor free. The floating plants keep you in place while you enjoy a quick break to eat or fish! Then when done, just motor back out, no wear or tear. 8) Colby

Oh, okay! Wow, that's a thick section floating vegetation.

 

[hardee]

Colby, Did you leave the Wabasto on and running over night? (That would keep the stuff in the boat from freezing.) Waht condensation and icicles? I thought the Wabasto keeps things inside dry, like the Wallas.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[colbysmith]

Colby, Did you leave the Wabasto on and running over night? (That would keep the stuff in the boat from freezing.) Waht condensation and icicles? I thought the Wabasto keeps things inside dry, like the Wallas.

Harvey, I did use the Webasto going down to Florida, with nightly temps around upper 30's mid 40's. Then the first night at Hontoon, with the low in the 50's. Still getting condensation in the boat. However, I also have the combustion air intake just drawing from cabin air, which means it's drawing the cold moist air from outside, into the boat. This weekend I'm hoping to have time to change it to draw combustion air from outside the boat, to see if that helps. Last night in Effingham, with the night low around 15 degrees, I chose to get us a hotel for the night. I had already drained the fresh water tank, and removed all items from the boat that I did not want to freeze. So NO, I did not leave the heater on. Regarding the condensation. I also had a fan blowing from the cabin into the berth to move the heated air onto us. No condensation in the berth, however the cabin had condensation. Later I also put a fan in the cabin to circulate that air as well, but still got condensation. I also have the small solar vent mounted on the berth hatch. And a few nights left that hatch open about an inch. I suspect the condensation was worse this time, just due to the humidity outside the boat, since again, it was being drawn into the boat with the combustion air coming from directly inside the boat. Colby

 

[hardee]

Colby said:

" .... Still getting condensation in the boat. However, I also have the combustion air intake just drawing from cabin air, which means it's drawing the cold moist air from outside, into the boat. This weekend I'm hoping to have time to change it to draw combustion air from outside the boat, to see if that helps. "

Colby,
Sorry but I'm confused. Not sure from that if you are drawing combustion air (to provide air for burning the fuel) from in the cabin ("I also have the combustion air intake just drawing from cabin air") or if it is drawing outside air in to the combustion chamber ("which means it's drawing the cold moist air from outside")

Just me thinking here, (and that can be scary at times -- most times :lol: so I may be out in left field but ....

If you are drawing air for the combustion chamber from inside the cabin it seems like it would reheat faster and warmer, and be more drying rather than increase the humidity. The exhaust air you would want to send outside, for sure, but the C-Dory is not tight enough to need the combustion air to come from outside so it will draw outside air in via the crack under the door and through the cable hole under the starboard gunnel combing.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[colbysmith]

Good morning Harvey.

Like you, I have the combustion air just drawing from inside the cabin.

The condensation inside the cabin seemed worse this time, and I'm thinking that had to do with the high humidity outside. Does the heater really dry the air out? Or is it just heating the most air, which is going to condensate on the cold uninsulated hull? Before installing my heater I read many forums. Various modes of thought, and I followed the one that said by taking the combustion air from inside the cabin, it would then draw outside air into the cabin thru our not so sealed boats, in turn ridding the damp air from inside. However, in retrospect, thinking about it and from the experience I'm having, if the outside air is real humid, you are probably bringing more moisture into the boat than what you are removing. I spoke with my brother on the way home, and he said the only way you are going to remove the moisture, (assuming the outside air is also humid) is with a dehumidifier. No room for this on our CD-22's! Our uninsulated hulls are going to be cold with very cold outside air temps and no sun shining (as in night time.) I suspect you live in a dryer climate, where the outside air being brought into the boat, displacing the moist breath air, provides a better atmosphere for leaving that combustion air intake inside the boat. But since most of my boating is in more humid air, and close to or below freezing temps at times, I'm probably going to be better off drawing combustion air from outside the boat and just dealing with the lower moisture content inside the boat by running fans to try and circulate as much warm air as possible. Colby

 

[hardee]

Like you, I have the combustion air just drawing from inside the cabin.

The condensation inside the cabin seemed worse this time, and I'm thinking that had to do with the high humidity outside.

You may be right about the high humidity outside but my thoughts are:

1. The colder it is outside, and the warmer you get the inside, you are creating a differential that is not separated by an insulated barrier, (our non-insulated C-Dory walls), and so you are going to get condensation. That is going to happen whether you are heating with inside or outside air going to the combustion chamber.

Does the heater really dry the air out? Or is it just heating the most air, which is going to condensate on the cold uninsulated hull?

2. See above #1. The heater, (depending on the type and fuel), can either dry the air out or produce more moisture (as in the case of burning propane especially in a closed area.)

Before installing my heater I read many forums. Various modes of thought, and I followed the one that said by taking the combustion air from inside the cabin, it would then draw outside air into the cabin thru our not so sealed boats, in turn ridding the damp air from inside. However, in retrospect, thinking about it and from the experience I'm having, if the outside air is real humid, you are probably bringing more moisture into the boat than what you are removing.

3. I would agree with you and the forums in thinking that using the air from inside the boat for combustion, you do draw in outside air through the “leaks”, but how much an how much detriment would be variable depending on ambient environmental temperatures and humidity. I still think that the combustion process is going to remove more moisture than what you are drawing in and the condensation problem is due to the differential of the surfaces, inside and out not being insulated.

I spoke with my brother on the way home, and he said the only way you are going to remove the moisture, (assuming the outside air is also humid) is with a dehumidifier. No room for this on our CD-22's!

4. You are both right there.

Our uninsulated hulls are going to be cold with very cold outside air temps and no sun shining (as in night time.) I suspect you live in a dryer climate, where the outside air being brought into the boat, displacing the moist breath air, provides a better atmosphere for leaving that combustion air intake inside the boat. But since most of my boating is in more humid air, and close to or below freezing temps at times, I'm probably going to be better off drawing combustion air from outside the boat and just dealing with the lower moisture content inside the boat by running fans to try and circulate as much warm air as possible. Colby

5. I don’t think my climate is all that much dryer here in Sequim, or when I am out on the water. I really rarely run my Wallas. I just dress warmer if I need to. I do have a fan that I run quite often, to move the air around when I am running the Wallas. I have had very little issues with condensation, but I did have some last summer. That was even when I was not using the Wallas, and it was over night in the birth. I think it was mostly due to not having the fore hatch open as much as usual due to the constant rain.


I might have, sort of, (REALY DID) go off on a rabbit trail here, so my apologies to Mike and should redirect folks back to the pictures from the St John’s CBGT. Sorry for the scurrying around, and Colby, maybe we should run this out under a new thread.

I just put “condensation AND heater AND combustion AND air” into the C-BRATS Search box and got about half dozen entries. Take a look at the responses and see which one seems to fit your likes better, and we could go on from there if you want.

Hope this can be helpful.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[colbysmith]

Agree with most of what you say Harvey. But I'll look later, putting this on the back burner, as I have a bit to get done in the next several days before heading out west for the Delta Cruise, and I just got my other laptop back from repair. Why they think they need to restore everything back to factory for a battery replacement, I don't know, but it's time consuming to reinstall Windows 10 and all my software....and this is the third time the computer has gone in. At least I'm getting my money's worth from Square trade this time. LOL! Colby

 

[Avidmagnum12]

Added more photos to the St. John's photo album....Enjoy...Tom

 

[thataway]

I added a few photos to the Album. If you don't find yourself there, let me know--and I probably have a photo--I took about 500 on 3 cameras, so just selected a few for the album. Many of these are in RAW and are very high resolution. The photos on the album are highly compressed, so are not a sharp as the originals. If you want the file, please PM me and I will get them to you on an SD card.

Feel free to put in captions--or I'll get them on in the next day or so...Long journey..... including hacked/crashed/dead computer, new computer, transferring back up files, and credit card hacked....Sorry they were not up sooner.

 

[hardee]

Thanks for adding the pix. Nice, and looks like everyone is having a great time.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon