Daydream's Great Loop Blog!

Well, Pat, congratulations. And yes 15 mph is flying when you're used to 7 mph.

GPH represents the work done both on shoving that boat through the water and overcoming the internal friction of the outboard. Whatever the pitch, at any given speed you're shoving the same boat through and over the water. With your 11" pitch, just think of it as second gear. So, you ought to compare the boat speed through the water.

The table you show is for a very, very lightly loaded boat and for 15 mph, they got 4 MPG/4GPH. I've never reached those figures with Journey On loaded for cruising. For 15 knts (~17 mph), I've seen around ~8 g/hr.

So for your heavily loaded boat and an 11" pitch, you did well.

Boris

PS> And, by the way, I've never seen 31 mph at 5500 rpm, or at any rpm.
 
Glad to hear this 75 miles was uneventful - just the way you like it. One of the great things about the CD-25 is its versatility, being able to get on plane and go, or pull the throttle back and comfortably travel at displacement speed.

I would say your fuel burn was in line with our experience on Wild Blue, with a "sweet spot" at 16 to 18 knots that would give us 2.5+ nmpg (loaded for cruising); with a larger prop.

Enjoy these last days along the Florida coast. Lots to see and do, but I know you have the end in mind.

Just out of curiosity, did you ever run your boat at home with this cruising load before hauling it to Florida? It might have been beneficial to have had functioning trim tabs and prop options for some of those previous 4.900 miles. The difference in fuel burn/cost today would work out to 45+/- gallons vs 15 +/- gallons... so about $100 more and so worth it to cover that distance in 5 hours instead of 11. I was concerned about you two having to leave and/or arrive in the dark, considering the predicted 11 hours of daylight in that area (sunrise: 7:54am, sunset: 6:54pm), plus the additional "exposure."

Kick back and enjoy the remaining time before you haul back to WA.

Jim
 
Suspect on that table is a 19 1/2 x 15" prop---there is something wrong--the diameter is usually first--and the 150 can only swing a 16" diameter prop max. So it may have been a 15 x 19 1/2" prop--which is extremely aggressive for a 150 Honda, and would only work for a very light boat.
 
JamesTXSD":309t9j6j said:
Just out of uriosity, did you ever run your boat at home with this cruising load before hauling it to Florida? It might have been beneficial to have had functioning trim tabs and prop options for some of those previous 4.900 miles. The difference in fuel burn/cost today would work out to 45+/- gallons vs 15 +/- gallons... so about $100 more and so worth it to cover that distance in 5 hours instead of 11. I was concerned about you two having to leave and/or arrive in the dark, considering the predicted 11 hours of daylight in that area (sunrise: 7:54am, sunset: 6:54pm), plus the additional "exposure."

Jim
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We never ran with the crruising load back home. We literally turned around from coming home from Arizona and took off for Florida. We have run with the Pelican Cooler and the ARB freezer, which did not prevent us from normal planing at home. All the stuff was in the truck, the bikes, the Sea Eagle, the motor parts, all the other bins, and so forth. All that got put on board at River Forest Yacht Basin in Labelle. We probably never will run this heavy again! And I plan to go back to the old 15.5 x 15 aluminum prop (which I will need to purchase again, because the one we had been using met its end on a rock in the Erie Canal). That prop was the right prop for us for the San Juans and Gulf Islands. I'll probably go back to the 11 pitch for Powell if / when we get back there!

 
ken35216":3fq7l91g said:
journey on":3fq7l91g said:
PS> And, by the way, I've never seen 31 mph at 5500 rpm, or at any rpm.
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Get a 200hp and you will :wink
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We have no immediate plans to re-power, but we will probably have to sooner or later, since our 2005 Honda BF-150 now has about 1,900 hours on it, and we are not quite finished with the Great Loop! When we do re-power, we will probably stick with a new BF-150. I know the advantages of the Yamaha or Suzuki 200 hp, no doubt about it. But by sticking with the BF-150, it is a very easy install, no new controls or gauges - Marc says he could put a new BF-150 on Daydream for $15,000. We are now confirmed slow cruisers anyway, even back home. We only went fast when we needed to - and our idea of "fast" was 16 - 18 knots, which we could do easily with a normal load and our 15.5 x 15 aluminum prop.

So what does it cost to switch to a 200 Yamaha all-in?
 
Pat Anderson":15k2werk said:
ken35216":15k2werk said:
journey on":15k2werk said:
PS> And, by the way, I've never seen 31 mph at 5500 rpm, or at any rpm.
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Get a 200hp and you will :wink
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We have no immediate plans to re-power, but we will probably have to sooner or later, since our 2005 Honda BF-150 now has about 1,900 hours on it, and we are not quite finished with the Great Loop! When we do re-power, we will probably stick with a new BF-150. I know the advantages of the Yamaha or Suzuki 200 hp, no doubt about it. But by sticking with the BF-150, it is a very easy install, no new controls or gauges - Marc says he could put a new BF-150 on Daydream for $15,000. We are now confirmed slow cruisers anyway, even back home. We only went fast when we needed to - and our idea of "fast" was 16 - 18 knots, which we could do easily with a normal load and our 15.5 x 15 aluminum prop.

So what does it cost to switch to a 200 Yamaha all-in?
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The Yamaha and Suzuki 200 seem to come in about $5000 more than the 150's. But if you go with new gauge packages (depending on what MFD you have--which may be able to display the engine perimeters) it may bring the cost up another thousand or two, including the new mechanical throttle and shifter.. Friend had a Suzuki 150 from a Honda 150, and it was right at that $15,000 mark. Why not go all of the way, and get electronic controls--that way you can add another station in the cockpit! :shock:
 
I don't know about Yamaha, but my Suzuki 200 with a color digital gauge, mechanical controller, SS prop, three blanks to fill my unused gauge holes, and a six year warranty was $16,164. I will PM you a pic of the invoice.

Both Yamaha and Suzuki build the inline 4 cylinder 200 hp outboard (others too, maybe). I have no opinion as to which is best. The deciding factor for me was the dealer. Sportcraft Marina is always my choice. If I were in Forida it would be Wefings. The dealer is as important as the brand.

They sell Honda, too, and I went up there planning to get the Honda 150. I wanted more HP but weight was a big concern for my already heavy boat. When they told me the Suzuki 200 weighed the same as the Honda 150 and 100 pounds less than the Honda 200 I figured a black main motor to match the black kicker was a pretty good idea. I had already decided on a Suzuki 9.9 kicker because it has EFI.

The speed increase is huge, but another thing I noticed is the ability to trim the bow down into chop a little more to smooth out the ride while still going faster than the old Honda 130 would ever do. I don't know if it is the extra power or the big 21" pitch prop on the lower geared motor but it seems to have more authority to overcome the bow steer I get with the nose down. The fuel burn goes up a little, but it is faster and smoother than with the old BF130 and is still using less gas.

My boat weighed 7000 pounds before Lois and I got in it when we launched up there in your home waters. It still did over 35 smph and didn't take much time getting there. Everyone thinks they don't need speed in a C-Dory, but remember the reason you decided against the Ranger tug...
 
Pat Anderson":35gx5fqp said:
Today's blog post is about crossing the Big Bend and Steinhatchee!
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Great write up and glad your passage was safe and without incident.

I love Steinhatchee and marinas there, and in most of the big bend, are so much cheaper than anywhere else in Florida it's not worth it to anchor out.
 
TyBoo":3rmze1np said:
It still did over 35 smph and didn't take much time getting there. Everyone thinks they don't need speed in a C-Dory, but remember the reason you decided against the Ranger tug...
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Not everyone! I love the speed of the C-Dory!!!!
 
Pat Anderson":e0ys3s9k said:
We have no immediate plans to re-power, but we will probably have to sooner or later, since our 2005 Honda BF-150 now has about 1,900 hours on it,
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Is your 2005 carbureted or EFI? . That may be another consideration about whether to repower sooner or later. Also, if, sometime in the future you decide to sell, you would probably recoup a good portion of your investment with a newer EFI engine. Either way, it just may be karma that's taking you back to Appalachicola. :roll:
 
2004 Was the first year for Honda 150, and it was fuel injected. The 115/130 were introduced in 1998 and were the first Honda's injected outboards. The 2002 to 2004 25's mostly came with the Honda 130 injected outboard (a few were ordered with the 115--same block as the 130.
1967 Honda predicted all outboards in 4 stroke configuration...In early 2007 Honda changed the 90 to fuel injected.
 
Yes, the Honda BF-150 ia fuel injected. It may have a little left or a lot left, no way to tell.

Tyboo, however, has me talked into a Suzuki 200 from Sportcraft in Portland when the time comes. About the same price, including new controls and installation, as replacing the BF-150.
 
Pat, take your time there, and enjoy. What are those old sayings, ("you can never get back to here" or something about taking the road less traveled). Home will be there when you get there, (It was all well when I pulled SleepyC out last month.) You have earned and accomplished this trip. Use it to the end.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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