diesel added to fuel
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Here's a link to a previous discussion of the topic. I agree with Bob on this and can't see a good reason to do so.
Most if not all non -ethanol fuels are 90 octane at least in florida ? It is usually about 50cents higher then regular 87 octane . Unless you are going to use most of the fuel on a regular basis .The non ethanol is the way to go .When we used our boat up in tennessee a few summers ago we filled with 87octane ethanol blend but we knew we would use that fuel for the month .
spuncopper
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Hey Gang, 
I've been running Gate's regular gas, at least 10 per cent ethanal in my Suzuki 50 DF for five years without a problem. I add Stabilizer (misspell) each fill up.
Engine has been running great. :smiled
I've been running Gate's regular gas, at least 10 per cent ethanal in my Suzuki 50 DF for five years without a problem. I add Stabilizer (misspell) each fill up.
Engine has been running great. :smiled
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I’ve somehow always understood that the reason earlier engines were not compatible with ethanol fuels because the internal elastomer parts (gaskets etc.) were adversely affected by ethanol, otherwise the engines are basically the same.
No one needs to add anything to these fuels, however if one accepts the concept that lubrication can decrease or diminish wear on moving parts, then perhaps some lubrication could be beneficial because there is absolutely no lubrication value in ethanol.
But take a look at this link and question if ethanol is a problem;
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25936782/ns ... l-engines/
I/we choose to add small amounts of diesel for added lubrication to all our four stroke engines, yes, carbureted, fuel injected, our VW Turbo, Marine engines (both carbureted and fuel injected) etc.
In the previous discussions, the concerns and fears of fouled spark plugs, affects on fuel injection, damage to catalytic converters etc. etc. etc. just has not happened.
My Degrees are not in engineering, but at the same time I/we can and are able make rational observations, allow time to either discredit or continue the experiment/s, I’m 68 and have added diesel to every vehicle I’ve ever owned since having the little mistake mentioned earlier with my new 94 Roadking (do the math).
My Father in law has done this since the late 40’s and had tremendous high mile results from much more primitive automobile and truck engines that we have today.
I sold his 65 Ford some years ago (never been overhauled) that had over 250,000 on it, did not burn oil and drove it at interstate speeds to deliver it to the new owner.
All that is being added is a slight amount of lubrication and cleaning activity from the tank to, through the fuel system, lubricates the valve guides, to above the rings, burned and exhausted.
You all can reason all you want, but there are those who add diesel regularly and can see positive results (extended engine life and smooth operation).
At least twelve c-brats contacted me after the first discussion, apologizing how I was (in their opinion) jumped on and at least a dozen apologized for not commenting because they regularly add diesel to their equipment and did not want to be jumped on.
Last year I sold a 1992 Chevy Pickup with 321,000 miles and still running well, the reason it was sold was that the brake lines and fuel line was rotting/rusting/ leaking and the replacement cost of either one of these systems would cost more that this much loved truck was worth.
Did the added diesel make a difference, I believer it make a great difference, just because it reduced some internal wear.
At the National Mississippi River Gathering I invited several to come over and witness how my 90 Honda idles, very smooth and could hardly hear it run, diesel is added with every fill up (hopefully some will comment).
None of you need to do anything different, I/we and many people around the country add diesel to their gas tanks, just for the added lubrication and do believe there are positive results.
This subject has been beat to death, those that have experimented with adding diesel seem to continue the practice.
So guys, go ahead do nothing, fuel is fuel, however there are others that have different opinions, because they have tried or experimented with the “adding a little diesel” concept.
If anyone is interested in further discussing this with me, please send a PM or e-mail.
Regards,
Ron Fisher
No one needs to add anything to these fuels, however if one accepts the concept that lubrication can decrease or diminish wear on moving parts, then perhaps some lubrication could be beneficial because there is absolutely no lubrication value in ethanol.
But take a look at this link and question if ethanol is a problem;
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25936782/ns ... l-engines/
I/we choose to add small amounts of diesel for added lubrication to all our four stroke engines, yes, carbureted, fuel injected, our VW Turbo, Marine engines (both carbureted and fuel injected) etc.
In the previous discussions, the concerns and fears of fouled spark plugs, affects on fuel injection, damage to catalytic converters etc. etc. etc. just has not happened.
My Degrees are not in engineering, but at the same time I/we can and are able make rational observations, allow time to either discredit or continue the experiment/s, I’m 68 and have added diesel to every vehicle I’ve ever owned since having the little mistake mentioned earlier with my new 94 Roadking (do the math).
My Father in law has done this since the late 40’s and had tremendous high mile results from much more primitive automobile and truck engines that we have today.
I sold his 65 Ford some years ago (never been overhauled) that had over 250,000 on it, did not burn oil and drove it at interstate speeds to deliver it to the new owner.
All that is being added is a slight amount of lubrication and cleaning activity from the tank to, through the fuel system, lubricates the valve guides, to above the rings, burned and exhausted.
You all can reason all you want, but there are those who add diesel regularly and can see positive results (extended engine life and smooth operation).
At least twelve c-brats contacted me after the first discussion, apologizing how I was (in their opinion) jumped on and at least a dozen apologized for not commenting because they regularly add diesel to their equipment and did not want to be jumped on.
Last year I sold a 1992 Chevy Pickup with 321,000 miles and still running well, the reason it was sold was that the brake lines and fuel line was rotting/rusting/ leaking and the replacement cost of either one of these systems would cost more that this much loved truck was worth.
Did the added diesel make a difference, I believer it make a great difference, just because it reduced some internal wear.
At the National Mississippi River Gathering I invited several to come over and witness how my 90 Honda idles, very smooth and could hardly hear it run, diesel is added with every fill up (hopefully some will comment).
None of you need to do anything different, I/we and many people around the country add diesel to their gas tanks, just for the added lubrication and do believe there are positive results.
This subject has been beat to death, those that have experimented with adding diesel seem to continue the practice.
So guys, go ahead do nothing, fuel is fuel, however there are others that have different opinions, because they have tried or experimented with the “adding a little diesel” concept.
If anyone is interested in further discussing this with me, please send a PM or e-mail.
Regards,
Ron Fisher
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Everyone has an opinion, but take a look at the following and consider the differences and the similarities.
http://arewetoast.com/energy-content-of ... fuels.html
Consider the similarities and differences, now just add a little lubrication and consider the possibilities of positive results.
Remember, this is a discussion, no one is being sold anything or has to do anything, use the fuel that you want or seems reasonable to you.
Or reason, why would I recommend or share information that would do harm to anyone's equipment, let alone my own?
There seems to be something to this.
Regards,
Ron Fisher
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1983 22' Classic, (R-Dory) sold April 2011
1990 16' Angler, (Lil Sis) sold January 2012
2004 19' Angler, (Game On) purchased January 2012
2006 16' Angler, (Gray-"C") purchased October 2012
"We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us"
http://arewetoast.com/energy-content-of ... fuels.html
Consider the similarities and differences, now just add a little lubrication and consider the possibilities of positive results.
Remember, this is a discussion, no one is being sold anything or has to do anything, use the fuel that you want or seems reasonable to you.
Or reason, why would I recommend or share information that would do harm to anyone's equipment, let alone my own?
There seems to be something to this.
Regards,
Ron Fisher
_________________
1983 22' Classic, (R-Dory) sold April 2011
1990 16' Angler, (Lil Sis) sold January 2012
2004 19' Angler, (Game On) purchased January 2012
2006 16' Angler, (Gray-"C") purchased October 2012
"We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us"
Connie Fisher":29ktdqmm said:
Just to be clear Ron, it's not that I think there might not be something to this, it's just that I haven't seen the kind of data that would lead me to believe it. I've never added diesel to any gasoline engine, I'm 52 and I've also had good experience with high mileage vehicles. Neither my dad nor my grandfathers (to my knowledge) added diesel to their gasoline engines and they also obtained high mileage. However, we all did regular oil changes and regular maintenance on an appropriate maintenance schedule. I also know many, many other people who've never added diesel to their gasoline burning engines who also have high mileage success with their engines. The point I'm trying to make is that anecdotal evidence such as the above could similarly be used to argue that there's something to NOT adding diesel.
A definitive experiment would be one in which multiple gasoline engines were tested, some with and some without diesel and the wear and tear measured. The definitive experiments (to my knowledge) have not been done.
So we'll both keep doing what we've been doing and we'll probably both be happy with the results (and neither one of us will be "wrong"). :lol:
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I very well understand comparison experimentation to determine whether any one procedure is more effective than another and at the same time know observation methods in comparative effectiveness research techniques.
From the beginning, I have not tried to convince anyone that our practice of adding diesel fuel “for added lubrication” (which could verge on common sense, but we don’t want to go there, do we) was something that others should do.
At the same time without the data required/demanded by some (always a question how data is acquired and how it’s interpreted), one then can assume there is nothing to be gained, if that is ones position, so what, nothing has been lost, nor nothing gained.
If the above is true then curiosity and experimentation would not be necessary, in my mind the supporting data comes later when it’s worth someone's time to prove a concept correct, incorrect or somewhere in between.
It’s still an interesting subject and as I have proven to myself “no harm” has been done to the many engines I’ve owned which consistently do run smoother and quieter (go figure).
Proving a concept or a consistently repeating observation wrong would be just as difficult for some/most.
Regards,
Ron Fisher
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From the beginning, I have not tried to convince anyone that our practice of adding diesel fuel “for added lubrication” (which could verge on common sense, but we don’t want to go there, do we) was something that others should do.
At the same time without the data required/demanded by some (always a question how data is acquired and how it’s interpreted), one then can assume there is nothing to be gained, if that is ones position, so what, nothing has been lost, nor nothing gained.
If the above is true then curiosity and experimentation would not be necessary, in my mind the supporting data comes later when it’s worth someone's time to prove a concept correct, incorrect or somewhere in between.
It’s still an interesting subject and as I have proven to myself “no harm” has been done to the many engines I’ve owned which consistently do run smoother and quieter (go figure).
Proving a concept or a consistently repeating observation wrong would be just as difficult for some/most.
Regards,
Ron Fisher
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Hello Tyboo Mike,
Call me old fashioned but I still think gas engines should run on gas and Wallas stoves with the letter D in the model name should run on diesel.
The engine is running on gasoline or whatever you want to call it after adding ethinol.
The diesel is added in a very small percentage, again just for lubrication.
Some will remember that Gasoline in the past did have additaves for lubrication which have now been outlawed.
Regards,
Ron Fisher
_________________
1983 22' Classic, (R-Dory) sold April 2011
1990 16' Angler, (Lil Sis) sold January 2012
2004 19' Angler, (Game On) purchased January 2012
2006 16' Angler, (Gra-C) purchased October 2012
"We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us"
Call me old fashioned but I still think gas engines should run on gas and Wallas stoves with the letter D in the model name should run on diesel.
The engine is running on gasoline or whatever you want to call it after adding ethinol.
The diesel is added in a very small percentage, again just for lubrication.
Some will remember that Gasoline in the past did have additaves for lubrication which have now been outlawed.
Regards,
Ron Fisher
_________________
1983 22' Classic, (R-Dory) sold April 2011
1990 16' Angler, (Lil Sis) sold January 2012
2004 19' Angler, (Game On) purchased January 2012
2006 16' Angler, (Gra-C) purchased October 2012
"We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us"
I have never added diesel to any of my marine motors. However, years ago in the mid 50's my father had a straight 8 Pontiac. This motor had and accessory bottle of top cylinder oil under the hood. It was fed to the intake via the vacuum line and was said to lubricate the upper cylinder area. The old 8 was smooth and quiet. I think a little diesel would do the same job. The oil in the bottle was called Marvel Mystery Oil.
Barry Rietz
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"browntdb" & other interested C-Brats,
Go to "www.pure-gas.org" where you will find state-by-state listings for locations that sell "pure gas".
Go to "www.pure-gas.org" where you will find state-by-state listings for locations that sell "pure gas".