DIESEL GETTING UGLY

grad your #%&, diesels' heading thru the roof! $164.65 to fill up my tow vehicle. (37 gallons @ 4.45)
looks like i'll be purchasing less imported beer in favor of more domesticated cheap beverage.
what the hell's goin' on? 300,000,000 people in the u.s. and i'll we can get to run for president is the three stooges!
pat
 
While I will agree that our Presidential choices are lacking, they have little to do with the price of that diesel.

Think on the bright side, the higher it goes, the fewer people you have to contend with.

Many years ago I would tell people "I would be glad if fuel went to $2.50 per gallon." Ironically, I still wish it would go to $2.50!

If non of this does anything for you, think about the kids lying under their collapsed school hoping to be found. We really have it pretty good.

:smiled Mike
 
If you are headed for Mexico any time soon, the price of diesel is about $2.50 a gal. at the marinas on the pacific coast. I'm sure the price is about the same inland, not sure about the Gulf side. The Mexican Government is trying to stimulate tourism, by subsiding fuel prices with Pemex, the national petroleum company. MAYBE the Mental Giants in Washington D.C. will take notice! ------ Rich
 
If you are pondering fuel prices you can't view the whole picture without considering the fuel taxes within the whole situation. I lived in seattle on my boat for many years and hated the traffic situation and gridlock, HOV lanes, metered ramps pushing traffic back for blocks on the surface streets. Then Washington citizens did something I thought was really terrific, although a bit late. They voted themselves more fuel taxes. Not once, but actually affirmed it a second time. Now you folks are on the road to some better highways and street projects, hopefully. Too late, but it will make some improvement. Here in oregon we have been paying the same fuel tax for something like 15 years. The price of construction has risen like a 1000% in that same period and the citizens think we can still improve the infrastructure. Not likely. I hate the price of diesel as much as anyone but if we are going to pay astronomical costs for the luxury of our vehicles at least we can step up and pay a little more so we can actually operate those vehicles on efficient and safe transportation systems. So now I ride my bike 2 miles one way to the bus stop then ride the bus for a half hour one way, and finish the trip with another bike ride. A lot of hassle but my truck is parked in the driveway for four days. On the fifth day I have fuel to tow my C-Dory to wherever it belongs that week.
 
lloyds":2b309zw0 said:
So now I ride my bike 2 miles one way to the bus stop then ride the bus for a half hour one way, and finish the trip with another bike ride. A lot of hassle but my truck is parked in the driveway for four days. On the fifth day I have fuel to tow my C-Dory to wherever it belongs that week.

lloyds-Thanks for the good advice. I've noticed a lot more people on bikes and on the bus lately. Here's my land 16 to complement my C-Dory 16.

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Those are cool bikes. If we don't upsize the C-Dory we will probably eventually get the folders. The one you show here is pretty much top of the line for folding bikes. I would like to try one sometime.
 
High priced diesel!! Everett marina is at $4.48 at the fuel dock, and that is with the road tax subtracted!

Here is a comment I copied from another list. It is provided as something to think about only. I cannot verify the accuracy of these comments. Perhaps someone in the petroleum industry can. Where's DoD when we need him?

----Prices will drop, and maybe even drop precipitously over the short term, but long term, barring a complete collapse in developing nations like China and India, demand will continue to grow and support prices at levels near what we see today. It is simply getting harder and harder to find new reserves and places like Saudi Arabia, those traditional "swing producers", are nearing their production peaks, if they aren't there already.

Specifically regarding diesel prices in the US: The "inversion" we've seen with diesel demanding a premium in the market is due to the combination of much higher demand for diesel from overseas markets due to changes in their industrial/commercial transportation demands and, in the US, the changeover to ULSD. The API warned Congress back in 2002 (I think it was 02) that the reductions in sulphur content they were consdidering, from 500ppm to 15ppm would result in tremendous increases in refining costs, up to $1.00/gal. These ULSD levels were at the edge of what technology could reasonably provide for the foreseable future. Even in Europe, where ULD levels were at 50ppm, reductions to 15ppm were considered only after tax reductions on their new ULSD fuels were enacted, and only if their 50ppm fuels remained available.

In the US, a reduction to a still signficant 50ppm would have reduced emissions (particulate) to levels more than five times below that of the 500ppm LSD, while adding only about $0.15/gal in added refining costs. This is what the API recommended as a first step.

Congress, of course, mandated the 15ppm reduction in one fell blind-political swoop. The result is that diesel is now more highly refined than gasoline and of course, now much more expensive.

As I said, I cannot verify the accuracy of the above comments, but if they are true, our congress has done this to us!! The writer of those comments works in the petroleum industry.
 
I blame oil speculators. Seems they can "justify" an increase for just about any little thing. Case in point, a few weeks ago when two small boats came near a well protected oil tanker, there was a price increase due to "instability" in the region (has that are ever been stable?). I mean, if the worlds oil supply is so tight that two small boats can affect the price of oil then we have bigger things to worry about.
 
Great!! The Chinese were known for millions of bikes on the road.....now the're buying oil for their new cars, and we're reverting to bicycles!!! ....and the bikes are probably made in China!

Mike
 
Hi to all,

This year we almost purchased a diesel Roadtrek motor home. Glad it was too expensive to trade our old RT. We get 15 to 17 MPH with our gas RT. The new diesel gets 23. Our gas RT tows well and we get 10-11 MPG with the C-dory behind. I am not too unhappy.

Bicycle made in China news. Last summer we purchased a Portrunner folding bike from West Marine. It is not the quality of a Brompton, but for the money it is a good value. Folds quick and rides in the cockpit nicely and at about 25 pounds I can still get it up on tyhe dock.

We are lucky to have fuel efficient boats!

Fred Pat and Mr. Grey(the cat)
 
You have to admit Mike, it is kind of funny. But on the serious side America had to pay someday for its' comsumptive lifestyles. I guess now is that time.
 
Sealife":ukmzkjkl said:
Great!! The Chinese were known for millions of bikes on the road.....now the're buying oil for their new cars, and we're reverting to bicycles!!! ....and the bikes are probably made in China!

Mike
Very funny, Mike! How ironic, huh?

Peter
 
Well, the bike pictured above is indeed a Brompton, made in England. I do like it very much and it is a remarkable machine. I also have a Dahon folding bike, which, as noted in an earlier thread, is made in China and much less expensive than the Brompton. It too is a fine machine, although the 20 inch wheels rather than the 16's on the Brompton make it a little less "portable" for an old guy with a small car. My son has a 16 inch wheel Bike Friday (made in the good ole USA) that he rode in a race around Lake Taupo in New Zealand and in the five borough NYC ride. Maybe with the higher gas prices I just might live a little longer and get to take Lizzie out a few more times. So, here's to India's Tatas and China's Cherys, honk as you pass us.
 
One question I like to ask all candidates for public office:

What have you done to improve the supply of oil?

I don't know what correct answers are but lowering fuel taxes, opposing drilling and exploration, and opposing nuclear energy are not supply side positions. I guess if you had a position that lowered demand, that would be good but price has its own impact on demand. I don't think we will need any help in that area.

The second question is: How does a weak US dollar factor into the price the oil and is cutting interest rates helping or hurting?

Unfortunately, I am not sure if any of the current crop of contenders has a grasp on market economics.

No matter. I have found a magic prop that has given me nearly 30% better economy at 14 mph so every weekend I can, I will go where phones don't ring, email won't arrive, and there aren't any gas stations, and the price of gas doesn't matter until I return.
 
This ain't gonna win me any friends but here goes: If you don't like the price of fuel don't buy any!!! One possible option for those who are being squeezed is to sell the fossil fuel toys and downsize your lifestyle. This includes recreational boats. Complaining about the price of fuel and demanding that politicians "do something" is not really adult behavior IMHO. You can start throwing the E-tomatoes at me now. Mike.
 
The depressing part is it not making any difference if you conserve or not on the future cost of gas or diesel due to India and China's demand and our government setting the prime so low, doing bailouts and giving away money that is loaned to us from China, causing our dollar to continue to plunge and the price of a barrel of oil to skyrocket.

Last year when we were preparing for our Alaska trip at this time the price of diesel at the local Flying J was 2.85 and gas 3.15. Today diesel is 4.35 and gas 3.53. A barrel of oil was about $65 then and $125 now. The refineries are for once not the ones making the killing, but if that doubling in the last year does reach the pumps real trouble is not far off for us all, especially if the barrel continues its rise also.

I work for Chevron Mining Inc yes that's a part of the mega Chevron Oil Company. The price of diesel has gone up so fast that with shipping and the major cost of keeping diesel burning heavy equipment running the profit margins have about evaporated. At about $6 a gallon its gone. Of course Chevron is still making its billions mainly from oil reserves purchased many years ago, but that won't help the employees where I work if diesel continues to rise.

Did I mention depressing. Tom I want to here more about that magic prop and then head out with the c-dory like you described.

Jay
 
Well, sure, one option is to become a third world country....go back to the stone age. That's not very grown up behavior. Nor is allowing our elected officials to promise everything, then do nothing. What's childish is to trash your toys and go sulk in the corner. What we do need is to demand that our elected officials bite the bullet of political correctness and do the following to make us oil independant:

(a) In the short term
1. Drill anywhere there's oil, including Anwar, safely.
2. Provide incentives enough to make building new refineries reality.
3. Mandate higher fuel economy for new cars & trucks. Impose weight limits on autos.
4. Lower the speed limit
(b) In the long term
1. Build nuclear generating plants
2. Import as much as we can from Iraq, at a price we set as reasonable, as a way of payback for setting their country free.
3. Provide tax incentives for alternative energy sources.
4. Create a "NASA" like government agency devoted to developing a new energy source for the automobile, just as NASA took us to the moon.
 
Here's the answer plain and simple: We need to stop our oil dependency.

Nuclear is not the answer because it takes forever for the radioactive isotopes to decay. High level radioactive waste will not settle to a safe level of radioactivity for over 100,000 years. For example, would you care to live near a nuclear waste site?

If we can put a man on the moon then we have access to the technology whether solar, electric or other.

Go green. Start off by parking the pollution-spewing diesel engines and buy a GM Hybrid Tahoe instead. They will pull a boat just fine.

Why do we need vehicles that can exceed 100 mph when the speed limit is only 65? Buy a Green vehicle and slow down. Isn't a slower more relaxed lifestyle one of the primary reasons we own a C-Dory anyway?
 
CaptMac":2pks3mgk said:
Here's the answer plain and simple: We need to stop our oil dependency.
Go green. Start off by parking the pollution-spewing diesel engines and buy a GM Hybrid Tahoe instead. They will pull a boat just fine.
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Suggest you check out the green condition of the new diesels running on the now mandated ultra low sulfur. US standards on diesel fuel now beat Europe's. There's 50 ppm ours 15 ppm and there may be a reason why Europe who is in many ways ahead of us with the green concept and yet running approximately 50% diesel powered passenger cars. Believe they have considerable more nuclear plants in operation too.

Might still take you up on the suggestion of parking our diesel pick up being its about parked anyway with the present cost of diesel if you divvy up the cost of the replacement GM Hybrid Tahoe. You could call it a contribution of and to the green :lol:

Was actually considering the new 2009 VW diesel Jetta with 50 plus mpg and every bit as green as any hybrid, but its initial cost with the present cost of diesel fuel is a deal breaker. Probably will end up replacing our present car with 263,000 miles on it with a Toyota Corolla. Those hybrids just don't work well in the open and very cold spaces of Wyoming.

Have noticed on the RV blog that many RV'ers brag about there other car being a hybrid seems to make them feel really good. Personally the money saved with the better mileged vehicle is the more compelling reason.

Jay
 
Right, the cost of going green with a new vehicle has to be figured into the budget along with the savings of less (costly) fuel usage.

Didn't mean to pick on diesels because gas engines are pollution-spewing too. All fossil fuel engines seem to contribute to global warming. Meant to say that the next time another vehicle is considered as a replacement then weigh the benefits of going green (or greener).

Its only a matter of time before the oil reserves run dry anway. We should save the more powerful oil powered engines for military use only.

Only a few years ago, the 2 cycle outboards were popular now they are regarded as oil-spewing and the norm seems to be the 4 cycle engines which are more environmentally friendly (at least the oil stays in the motor and is not spewed out into the water).

I wonder when they will produce an electric, battery or solar-powered outboard. Maybe it's an idea for a patent.
 
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