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E-TEC Experience
- Thread starter tpbrady
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Lynn Marie
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Damn Dusty,
It sounds like your changing your props faster than your shorts. Didn't you see the post about clean underwear? Seriously though, thanks for all the input and feed back. I'm not even thinking new Tomcat, I mean motor, but still like hearing about this stuff.
Tim
It sounds like your changing your props faster than your shorts. Didn't you see the post about clean underwear? Seriously though, thanks for all the input and feed back. I'm not even thinking new Tomcat, I mean motor, but still like hearing about this stuff.
Tim
Captains Cat
New member
Dusty, I wouldn't be above putting two new ETEC 50's on Captain's Choice to replace my Honda 45's. They've got 300 hours on them and are 1994 45's, anyone interested?
Urk, on edit, guess they don't have saltwater 50's yet. Guess two 90's would be too much for Captain's Choice.....;. :shock:
Charlie
Urk, on edit, guess they don't have saltwater 50's yet. Guess two 90's would be too much for Captain's Choice.....;. :shock:
Charlie
Captains Cat
New member
OHHHHHH, :shock: :shock: . I'm sure them's fightin words but not from me. I know they're good for a long long time. Probably longer than me!! :smilep
Charlie / Captain's Choice-
Let's see....
300 hours in 10 years (1994 through 2004) = 30 hours per year for you*
and Dusty says you've got 3000 hours left, so
3000 hours left divided by 30 hours per year = 100 years of service left!
The good news is that you've got a lot of time left in which to enjoy your engines before updating them!!! (Should you, or any of us, live so long!)
The bad news is that long before we reach that date, petroleum engine technology will be long outdated and prohibited, although unquestioning loyal Honda enthusiasts will still be standing in line to take whatever ultra-conservative Honda hands out!
Better start crankin' up some hours on them babies before you wind up selling them as antique outboards on ebay!!! Joe.
*the outboard manufacturers association's survey found that the average boater's annual usage is about 58 hours/year, although we know some of our C-Dory folks run up into the hundreds of hours per year.
Let's see....
300 hours in 10 years (1994 through 2004) = 30 hours per year for you*
and Dusty says you've got 3000 hours left, so
3000 hours left divided by 30 hours per year = 100 years of service left!
The good news is that you've got a lot of time left in which to enjoy your engines before updating them!!! (Should you, or any of us, live so long!)
The bad news is that long before we reach that date, petroleum engine technology will be long outdated and prohibited, although unquestioning loyal Honda enthusiasts will still be standing in line to take whatever ultra-conservative Honda hands out!
Better start crankin' up some hours on them babies before you wind up selling them as antique outboards on ebay!!! Joe.
*the outboard manufacturers association's survey found that the average boater's annual usage is about 58 hours/year, although we know some of our C-Dory folks run up into the hundreds of hours per year.
Captains Cat
New member
Thanks Joe/Sea Wolf! I'm the second owner of the boat, have had it 2 years and have put 100+ hours on it in that time. It only had 200 hours on it when I bought it in 2002/3. It had sat idle at a marina for 5+ years when I bought it!
Not really considering replacing the Honda's, just like new stuff! The E-Tecs sound really great so far!
Charlie
Not really considering replacing the Honda's, just like new stuff! The E-Tecs sound really great so far!
Charlie
Charlie-
I really have nothing against the Hondas, it's just that I studied all the 75-100 hp 4-strokes for several years before I bought my new Yammi and was disappointed that they seemed to lag so far behind in adopting the newer technology and therefore weren't a viable option.
We're just carrying on some fun / rival discussions between outboard brands here to liven things up a bit!
Nice talking to you!! Joe.
I really have nothing against the Hondas, it's just that I studied all the 75-100 hp 4-strokes for several years before I bought my new Yammi and was disappointed that they seemed to lag so far behind in adopting the newer technology and therefore weren't a viable option.
We're just carrying on some fun / rival discussions between outboard brands here to liven things up a bit!
Nice talking to you!! Joe.
Thanks, Sawdust, for the prop info. For anyone interested, here is the link to a technology white paper on E-TEC (in PDF format):
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/refere ... _e-tec.pdf
This same Whaler site (continuouswave.com) has a number of threads on E-TEC in their forums, with some interesting information. Like the fact that an owner can hook up a PDA to the motor's electronic engine management module, and get his own complete diagnostic readout. We're entering a new era, I guess.
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/refere ... _e-tec.pdf
This same Whaler site (continuouswave.com) has a number of threads on E-TEC in their forums, with some interesting information. Like the fact that an owner can hook up a PDA to the motor's electronic engine management module, and get his own complete diagnostic readout. We're entering a new era, I guess.
Chuck,
That is one informative website article on the design. I think the engine should be called the "HIGH-TEC" instead of E-TEC. That injector is both simple and effective.
The first thing I thought was: What happens when you start the engine below freezing with moisture in the fuel? That injector is gonna burst. Seems they thought of that and use the vapour seperator that steams off condensation and feeds it in to the intake if needed. Sounds too me like you can redirect the vapour tube, run gasahol and get a little white-lightning on the side :cocktail :smilep
My other concern is how do they monitor the oil injection to prevent a lean condition that burns up th engine? The low-tech (VRO) variable ratio oil injection only had a low oil level alarm for the reservoir. If you develop an air leak to a cylinder the piston burns without warning. My dad has a scorched VRO sitting in his barn now. :rose2 :cry The high tech oil injection monitors everything. It can run at 1200 RPM all day on what oil is in the crankcase when started! Amazing...
I think Bombardier is Canadian but this thing is basically made in America, right? Even more Amazing!
I want one :thup
That is one informative website article on the design. I think the engine should be called the "HIGH-TEC" instead of E-TEC. That injector is both simple and effective.
The first thing I thought was: What happens when you start the engine below freezing with moisture in the fuel? That injector is gonna burst. Seems they thought of that and use the vapour seperator that steams off condensation and feeds it in to the intake if needed. Sounds too me like you can redirect the vapour tube, run gasahol and get a little white-lightning on the side :cocktail :smilep
My other concern is how do they monitor the oil injection to prevent a lean condition that burns up th engine? The low-tech (VRO) variable ratio oil injection only had a low oil level alarm for the reservoir. If you develop an air leak to a cylinder the piston burns without warning. My dad has a scorched VRO sitting in his barn now. :rose2 :cry The high tech oil injection monitors everything. It can run at 1200 RPM all day on what oil is in the crankcase when started! Amazing...
I think Bombardier is Canadian but this thing is basically made in America, right? Even more Amazing!
I want one :thup
Chris, yes, Bombardier is a Canadian company, and yes the Evinrude E-TEC's are engineered and built in Wisconsin. Even if folks are wary, that's at least a reason to root for their success.
For those who haven't read the white paper, and may wonder what the answer was to your concern about damage to the engine from too lean a mixture, here is the explanation. I agree, it's pretty amazing:
"Speed Adjusting Failsafe Electronics (S.A.F.E.) is also incorporated to ensure that if an engine life-threatening fault should develop (like overheating or no oil pressure), the rpm is reduced to 1200 maximum, an audible alarm is sounded and a warning light is displayed on the dash. At this speed the engine requires almost no cooling or lubrication system functions. Tests have shown an engine can be run all day at 1200 rpm with only the oil inside the crankcase when it was started. New shutdown modes are also incorporated. If the engine cooling system or EMM temperatures continue to rise, even after activating S.A.F.E, the EMM will shut down the engine before permanent damage is done. Once temperatures have reduced the engine can be restarted."
As for the question about white lightning, those cheesehead engineers in Wisconsin just scratched their heads. Only a southern boy would know about that, they figure. :wink:
Chuck
For those who haven't read the white paper, and may wonder what the answer was to your concern about damage to the engine from too lean a mixture, here is the explanation. I agree, it's pretty amazing:
"Speed Adjusting Failsafe Electronics (S.A.F.E.) is also incorporated to ensure that if an engine life-threatening fault should develop (like overheating or no oil pressure), the rpm is reduced to 1200 maximum, an audible alarm is sounded and a warning light is displayed on the dash. At this speed the engine requires almost no cooling or lubrication system functions. Tests have shown an engine can be run all day at 1200 rpm with only the oil inside the crankcase when it was started. New shutdown modes are also incorporated. If the engine cooling system or EMM temperatures continue to rise, even after activating S.A.F.E, the EMM will shut down the engine before permanent damage is done. Once temperatures have reduced the engine can be restarted."
As for the question about white lightning, those cheesehead engineers in Wisconsin just scratched their heads. Only a southern boy would know about that, they figure. :wink:
Chuck
Chuck-
After reading and digesting the entire tech white paper, I'm impressed.
Love to see the new innovations and willingness to get off the dime and make changes in old designs and existing problems. The capital expenses in all these changes must be considerable. Will even take the service techs some time to get comfortable with the new technology.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Ought to be required reading for all C-Dory owners and especially those in the market for new powerplants.
After a year or so when all of this new information has had a chance to sink in to everyone's mindset and the new E-Tech's have had a chance to prove themselves in the real world, we ought to retake the engine preference survey and see how the numbers have progressed.
We'll be awaiting further information and feedback from new owners.
Welcome to the 21st Century!
Thanks, again, Joe.
After reading and digesting the entire tech white paper, I'm impressed.
Love to see the new innovations and willingness to get off the dime and make changes in old designs and existing problems. The capital expenses in all these changes must be considerable. Will even take the service techs some time to get comfortable with the new technology.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Ought to be required reading for all C-Dory owners and especially those in the market for new powerplants.
After a year or so when all of this new information has had a chance to sink in to everyone's mindset and the new E-Tech's have had a chance to prove themselves in the real world, we ought to retake the engine preference survey and see how the numbers have progressed.
We'll be awaiting further information and feedback from new owners.
Welcome to the 21st Century!
Thanks, again, Joe.
One thing I am very curious about is the typical 2 stroke smoke and smell...are they gone?
From what I have heard the smell and smoke is gone. Here is a quote from "Bob D" on Gamefishin.com.
I swear my brand new T8 Yamaha smells more than the 2 stroke Rude. And it dont smell. You never, ever see smoke out of it. You never smell it! For 5 hrs during breakin the comp. richens the mix and there was noticable smoke. After the computer restores to normal it barely goes thru any oil. A gallon has lasted a couple months so far and thats fishen at least once a week if not twice on avarage. Plus some 3 dayers in there.
Hey guys 'n' Gals,
The only way you can tell it is a 2-stroke is to go back and look. Absolutely NO smell or oil smoke. This rascal is so danged clean Mrs. Dusty would ride in the boat. And she knows all about 2-strokes. And YES - I ask permission for most everything :lol: - y'ain't alone in this world, Charlie m'lad.
Duster
The only way you can tell it is a 2-stroke is to go back and look. Absolutely NO smell or oil smoke. This rascal is so danged clean Mrs. Dusty would ride in the boat. And she knows all about 2-strokes. And YES - I ask permission for most everything :lol: - y'ain't alone in this world, Charlie m'lad.
Duster