Eco Extortion and threat to boatyards on Puget Sound

For PSA to say "we don't profit from the settlement fees" is disengeuous at best. They may not, but their lawyer does, and other non profits that PSA members may or may not sit on the board of do as well.

If, as the article mentions, a settlement number could be $70,000- wouldn't the environment be better served by requiring the business to invest that money in better management or filtration systems?

And what about the boat yard that doesn't do bottom paint work (the supposed primary cause of high copper content runoff), never has done bottoim paint, but still can't meet the requiements that PSA forced into law? Is the copper content coming from city streets, and is the boatyard then responsible for that as well?

PSA and the NW Marine Trade Association had a cooperative relationship, and were working jointly to address the issues, and were working with some test systems to develop an effective filtration system that yards could install. Now, a new board as PSA exists, and it is threatening lawsuits.

The former approach at least had all parties discussing the situation, and possible solutions. The new approach just creates adversaries. But at least the lawyers are making a good living. Much better than any of us in the marine industry.

My point in bringing this up, is that when prices climb for service at your local boat yard, don't get mad at the yard owner. It is important that boaters understand the outside forces that are raising the cost of running a marine business. So if you want to see Bottom paint jobs at $100 / foot and extra environmental fees byond what is already being charged, then simply do nothing.
 
I doubt that any of the lawyers involved have any altruistic intentions since “What Smith and Lowney do is to have people more or less permanently stationed at the Public Records desk at Ecology pouring over the DMRs”. What they are doing is feeding at the public trough versus municipalities and bankrupting small business versus the boat yards. It’s just big time ambulance chasing after all it’s all about the money. What hacks me off the most is Puget Soundkeepers Alliance stealing Puget Sound Anglers acronym. There ought to be a law!
Forrest
 
Here is another side of the story. Copied from "Three Sheets Northwest"

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‘Awful’ legal threat turns small boatyard upside down

By Deborah Bach on March 5th, 2010
‘Awful’ legal threat turns small boatyard upside down
Deborah Bach | Three Sheets Northwest
Patti Segulja-Lau, general manager of Dunato's Marine Service in Seattle

The Puget Soundkeeper Alliance’s threat to sue five boatyards has sparked an intense reaction among boaters and environmentalists. Yesterday, Three Sheets Northwest talked with the man behind PSA’s controversial move. Today, we look at the toll the legal action has taken on one small boatyard.

Sitting in her office in an old converted house on a recent afternoon, Patti Segulja-Lau looks tired.

She’s slept little over the past month and has lost 10 pounds. The general manager of Dunato’s Marine Service in Seattle, Segulja-Lau describes the events of the past few weeks in a single word: surreal.

“It’s awful,” she said. “It’s just been awful. I don’t sleep anymore.”

For Segulja-Lau, life was turned upside down shortly before Christmas, when Dunato’s and four other local boatyards received letters of intent to sue from Puget Soundkeeper Alliance (PSA) over alleged violations of the federal Clean Water Act.

Segulja-Lau was stunned by the letter. The boatyard had done everything according to the law, she thought, even installing two water treatment systems over the past few years to reduce the level of copper and other pollutants flowing from the yard into Puget Sound.

The yard’s discharges of lead had consistently been below the limits specified in the Boatyard General Permit governing yards in Washington state. And Dunato’s had kept up on filing discharge reports as required with the state Department of Ecology.

The one exception was its Level 3 report, an extensive engineering report required when yards exceed allowable levels of pollutants. Like other boatyards, Dunato’s hadn’t filed the report because Ecology, PSA and the Northwest Marine Trade Association, which represents boatyards, agreed in July 2008 to hold off on the reports while a new permit was being developed. Ecology subsequently made it known to boatyards that it wouldn’t be accepting any Level 3 reports until the new permit is issued, likely in April.

That didn’t matter to PSA. As far as the environmental watchdog group is concerned, the state doesn’t have the authority to waive conditions of the boatyard permit. So Dunato’s got the report done, turning it into Ecology within the 60-day time limit after which PSA said it would file lawsuits against Dunato’s and the other boatyards.

Segulja-Lau figured that was it. But PSA wasn’t relenting. And as the attorneys went back and forth, the fees ratcheted up. Segulja-Lau had two choices: reach a settlement with Puget Soundkeeper Alliance or face a much costlier litigation.

“The more I argued, the attorney’s fees just kept going up and up,” she said. “(PSA) would not give in. It became clear that nothing was going to satisfy them.”

Dunato's Marine Service, open since 1970, was one of five Seattle-area boatyards that receive intent to sue letters from Puget Soundkeeper Alliance.

Segulja-Lau lay awake at night, unable to sleep and wondering what to do. She considered fighting the PSA in court. Then she thought about what that would mean financially for Dunato’s, a small boatyard in operation since 1970 that’s been struggling through the recession. She thought about the yard’s 14 employees, who rely on their jobs to make ends meet. And after another sleepless night in February, she decided to settle.

“I have three little kids. I don’t have a lot of money,” she said. “I knew I had to get out of this or I was going to get physically sick. We had to make a practical decision. It’s a business decision. But it just doesn’t seem right.”

Under the settlement, Dunato’s must pay $12,000 in legal fees to PSA’s attorney Smith & Lowney—a Seattle firm that specializes in environmental litigation—plus about $5,500 to its own lawyer. Additionally, the yard must provide PSA with all reports and correspondence sent to Ecology for the next three years. To escape having to pay a penalty fee, Dunato’s had to turn over its financial statements to PSA to demonstrate financial hardship, a requirement Segulja-Lau found humiliating.

Segulja-Lau said Dunato’s annual budget won’t accommodate close to $20,000 in unanticipated legal costs, so she might have to cut hours or lay someone off.

The four other boatyards—Yachtfish Marine, Yarrow Bay Marina and CSR Marine’s two boatyards on Lake Union and the Ballard ship canal—are in various stages of settling with PSA. CSR owner Scott Anderson said his company is still in discussions with PSA, which has proposed a penalty payment that would go to an environmental project conducted by a third-party organization. He declined to specify the amount of the proposed payment before the settlement is finalized, saying only that it’s thousands of dollars.

Anderson said it doesn’t make sense to go after CSR, which participated in a boatyard-based pilot study involving PSA and the NMTA to evaluate the effectiveness of various water treatment systems. CSR has continued testing potential treatment systems since then, Anderson said, but hasn’t found one that has reduced pollutants to acceptable levels.

CSR’s ship canal yard has been the site of a shipyard for a century, Anderson said, which has created legacy pollution issues. The company has implemented procedures to help reduce pollutants in its stormwater runoff, Anderson said, and has been a willing partner with PSA.

“We’ve been on the front lines with PSA, going to these meetings, participating and doing this pilot project,” he said. “This is just a huge waste of everybody’s time and energy when we are doing the right thing.”

The PSA action against the boatyards came after the departure of former executive director Sue Joerger, who helmed the organization for a decade and had worked extensively and collaboratively with the NMTA and boatyards. Over the past five years, PSA has launched about 150 suits against entities ranging from local governments to food processors—but not boatyards.

Within weeks of new executive director Bob Beckman taking over the organization last August, that changed. In September, a letter from Beckman was sent to boatyards around the state, advising them that they had to file Level 3 reports, regardless of what Ecology said, and warning them that PSA may sue yards that were out of compliance.

The Clean Water Act, passed in 1972, enables individuals (or environmental organizations) to bring citizen lawsuits against polluters. Segulja-Lau feels that going after small boatyards—which account for just 0.3 percent of copper in Puget Sound, according to a recent study—instead of big-scale polluters is not how the law was meant to be used.

Segulja-Lau emphasizes that she agrees with the need to take care of the environment. It’s not PSA’s mission she has a problem with; it’s the approach. She wonders why PSA is targeting boatyards instead of focusing on motor vehicles that leach harmful heavy metals, or on getting rid of copper-based bottom paint used on boats. Anti-fouling bottom paints contains biocides, or toxins, designed to leach slowly into the marine environment to prevent organisms from attaching to the paint.

“I’m not saying boatyards can’t improve. I’m not saying that at all,” Segulja-Lau said. “But a boat that has bottom paint on it pollutes 24/7. Copper paints have to go. To me, that’s the answer and then you keep focusing on the yards, making sure we’re continuing to improve.”

Ultimately, she points out, Dunato’s will spend close to $20,000 settling the PSA suit, with not a penny of that going toward water improvement.

“The environment didn’t win in this,” she said. “Nobody really won except the attorneys.”

Attorney Jeff Kray is a partner in Seattle firm Marten Law, which has represented close to a dozen organizations involved in PSA suits. Kray also questioned PSA’s use of the citizen lawsuit provision, given Ecology’s directive not to file Level 3 reports.

“The provision was intended to open the door for citizens to challenge regulators, not to challenge regulated parties when the regulated parties were acting consistently with the regulators’ direction,” he said.

“This is a unique case, and I think it will test that proposition,” Kray said. “But it takes resources to litigate, and none of these five have those resources, so we’ll probably never see this as a test case.”

Segulja-Lau wants to put the situation behind her. But she also wants the public to know what PSA is doing and the difficult position boatyards were put in by its recent action.

“People need to understand why everybody settles,” she said. “A little boatyard like me can’t afford the attorneys, the expert witnesses, the time, all of that that’s required to go to court. The most practical, cheapest way out is to just simply pay.”

“It’s surreal,” Segulja-Lau said. “I can’t believe this could happen in this country.”

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Original text herehttp://www.threesheetsnw.com/blog/archives/8032
 
In Europe they call PSA and their ilk watermelons; green on the outside, red on the inside. :wink:
When it comes to the environment Adrienne and I walk the walk rather than talk the talk like so many of the green advocate hyprocrits.
We bought the most fuel efficent small cruiser we could find, the CD 22'.
We own the smallest nost fuel efficent cars that will do what we require.
I drive the speed limit and know and practice advanced fuel saving driving techniques. I make decisions at work that save fuel even though it means I will get home later. I take products from work home to be recycled. We practice reduce, reuse and recycle. We take shopping bags to the store.
We took out our front lawn and put in an alpine landscape that requires very little water and no fertilizer. We don't give our back lawn enough water and maybe fertilize it every third year. We don't spray poison on our fruit trees. In the winter we keep our house in the low 60's in the day and in the 50s at night, we do not use air conditioning during the summer.We only use the TV to watch a couple movies a week.
I'm all for keeping things clean and healthy but this bunch of greenies we have can not be trusted. They have an agenda and we are in their way.
I speak plainly and my water is clean. The enviros bring in fancy talk that appeals to peoples egos and muddies the water.
 
A similar situation held up construction on the new marina at Seabeck-

One of the government agencies decided they needed another report, but the guidelines for the report have never been finalized, or published. WHich meant that construction would be held up indefinately until the state agency determined what the report would be.

So in the case of the boatyards- the agency that oversees them says not to submit the report, that they won't accept the report, and that guidelines will be published later.

But PSA decides that they know better, and go after five boatyards who have been following the government's directive, including the one yard that has done the most testing of various systems in an attampt to placate PSA.

Tell me again how PSA's actions help the environment, or the industry. The lawyers got paid, the boat yard has to agree to provide confidential information to an outside entity, creating more paperwork and officework that contributes NOTHING to their bottom line.

And absolutely NOTHING is done to improve the runoff numbers. PSA's attorney's made money, even though the boatyard was acting withing the guidelines of the government.

It's not about the environment. It's about "concerned citizens" throwing their weight around to satisfy some definciency they have in their own character. It's passive / aggresive confrontation, with no interest in solutions, just extracting money from business owners, and transfering it to attorney's and pet projects.
 
I have a new target for the lawyers, all the multivitamin companies. Most all multivitamin/mineral pills have copper in them along with many other metals.

I am 67 years old and realize I have lived during the best of times there will ever be in the USA, especially if there is more to your life than video games, reality TV and pro sports. Every year there are ever increasing restrictions and costs on just about everything you do. Will the carbon tax cap it all off with taxes and restrictions on breathing, after all we exhale CO2?

The root of most problems is the ever expanding population. No matter how much every one tries to conserve and reduce polution it will always require more next year just to stay even. The continual decline in resourses per individual is the definition of an ever declining standard of living.

Think of that when the latest amnesty for illegal aliens bill comes up, which with family reunification will bump up the population 30 to 40 million.
 
OK, then! Like I have asked three or four times, when are we going to tackle illegal immigration? So the door is now open!

To quote Tom Russell, "Who's Going to Build the Wall?" Google the lyrics to this song, and you will know where the Andersons stand on this issue!

Edward Thieme":2t4tdmwe said:
Think of that when the latest amnesty for illegal aliens bill comes up, which with family reunification will bump up the population 30 to 40 million.
 
Edward Thieme":1gdf8jzb said:
he root of most problems is the ever expanding population. No matter how much every one tries to conserve and reduce polution it will always require more next year just to stay even. The continual decline in resourses per individual is the definition of an ever declining standard of living.

Totally agree. :thup :thup

Warren
 
Well, then...who's going to build the wall?

Doryman":y7d025e8 said:
Edward Thieme":y7d025e8 said:
he root of most problems is the ever expanding population. No matter how much every one tries to conserve and reduce polution it will always require more next year just to stay even. The continual decline in resourses per individual is the definition of an ever declining standard of living.

Totally agree. :thup :thup

Warren
 
Tom Russell is about my second favorite muscian after Ian Tyson (Ian was Tom's best man at his wedding, and they co-wrote a few great songs, so there is a bit of a connection). We saw Tom perform a short while ago at the Tractor Tavern in Seattle, and this was one of the songs he sang (he wrote it of course).

If you have corrections, or the chords to any of these songs, please send an e-mail and we will make the changes as soon as
possible. Thank you. This song chart was provided for your personal enjoyment only, by SPIKE’S MUSIC COLLECTION;
http://spikesmusic.spike-jamie.com SHALOM
WHO'S GONNA BUILD YOUR WALL?
Tom Russell
G D
I'VE GOT 800 MILES OF OPEN BORDER RIGHT OUTSIDE MY DOOR
D7
THERE'S MINUTE MEN IN LITTLE PICKUP TRUCKS
C G
WHO'VE DECLARED THEIR OWN DAMN WAR

G
NOW THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO BUILD A BARRIER
D
LIKE OLD BERLIN 8 FEET TALL
D7
BUT IF UNCLE SAM SENDS THE ILLEGALS HOME
C G
WHO'S GONNA BUILD THE WALL?

Chorus:
G
WHO'S GONNA BUILD YOUR WALL BOYS?
C G
WHO'S GONNA MOW YOUR LAWN?
G
WHO'S GONNA COOK YOUR MEXICAN FOOD
D
WHEN YOUR MEXICAN MAID IS GONE?
G C Am
WHO'S GONNA WAX THE FLOORS TONIGHT DOWN AT THE LOCAL MALL
G D G
WHO'S GONNA WASH YOUR BABY'S FACE? WHO’S GONNA BUILD YOUR WALL?


NOW I AINT GOT NO POLITICS SO DONT LAY THAT RAP ON ME
LEFT WING, RIGHT WING, UP WING, DOWN WING
I SEE STRIP MALLS FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA

IT'S THE FAT CAT WHITE DEVELOPER
WHO'S CREATED THIS WHOLE DAMN SQUALL
IT'S A PYRAMID SCHEME OF DIRTY JOBS
AND WHO'S GONNA BUILD YOUR WALL?

Repeat Chorus

WE'VE GOT FUNDAMENTALIST MOSLEMS WE'VE GOT FUNDAMENTALIST JEWS
WE'VE GOT FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS
THEY’LL BLOW THE WHOLE THING UP FOR YOU

BUT AS I TRAVEL AROUND THIS BIG OLD WORLD
THERE'S ONE THING THAT I MOST FEAR
IT'S A WHITE MAN IN A GOLF SHIRT WITH A CELL PHONE IN HIS EAR

Repeat Chorus

YEAH, WHO'S GONNA WASH YOUR BABY'S FACE? WHO'S GONNA BUILD YOUR WALL?
 
Pat Anderson":23rmnh11 said:
Well, then...who's going to build the wall?

I was simply agreeing that overpopulation is at the root of most of our problems. I was not expressing an opinion WRT who will build the wall, or even if the wall should be built. That decision will be made above my pay grade regardless of what opinions I might, or might not, have.

Warren
 
Milehog (Steve) said:

"When it comes to the environment Adrienne and I walk the walk rather than talk the talk like so many of the green advocate hyprocrits.
We bought the most fuel efficent small cruiser we could find, the CD 22'.
We own the smallest nost fuel efficent cars that will do what we require.
I drive the speed limit and know and practice advanced fuel saving driving techniques. I make decisions at work that save fuel even though it means I will get home later. I take products from work home to be recycled. We practice reduce, reuse and recycle. We take shopping bags to the store.
We took out our front lawn and put in an alpine landscape that requires very little water and no fertilizer. We don't give our back lawn enough water and maybe fertilize it every third year. We don't spray poison on our fruit trees. In the winter we keep our house in the low 60's in the day and in the 50s at night, we do not use air conditioning during the summer.We only use the TV to watch a couple movies a week.
I'm all for keeping things clean and healthy but this bunch of greenies we have can not be trusted. They have an agenda and we are in their way.
I speak plainly and my water is clean. The enviros bring in fancy talk that appeals to peoples egos and muddies the water."

There should be a whole lot more of that going on and a whole lot less of the bickering, fighting and sueing. We would all be better off.

:hot :rainbow :rose

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
I could say soooo much...but...I'm going outside to get the curtain measurements for the 25 instead.

Discretion being the better form of valor and all...
 
Back to the actual topic of this thread.............

A wise and wealthy man once told me.....

Concentrate on the PROBLEM not on the PERSON.

To reduce copper, trash, etc. in the sound, concentrate on the largest contributor FIRST.

If boatyards or boating only contributes 0.3% of the copper, who contributes the other 99.7%? Shouldn't we (and the PSA) be looking there first?

Other pollutants like oil, trash, and sewage follow the same percentage, so why do the land people point at the boats first?

Many of the same folks that want to catch salmon use fertilizer and pesticides on their lawns. Some of them also wash their cars on the street, allowing the detergent to pollute the Sound.

Milehog has the right idea. Let's all do what we can as individuals to reduce the pollutants we contribute to the environment.
 
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