EPIRB Discussion

So in looking at the $99. subscription requirement on spot it quickly adds up. Just over the lifespan of the battery on a single EPIRB it would pay for itself.
http://www.jthelectronics.com/product/28317.html It appears that the former would be a good choice for those wanting the emergency qualities of the EPIRB. This one was found to be just over $300. Not a bad deal considering.
Next year the wife, son and I are going to be trying Halibut fishing again and the spots for fishing are 30-35 miles off shore. I'd like to be better prepared in the event of an emergency.
 
bshillam,

From what I understand the EPRIB in your link does not have the onboard GPS, which some have suggested that an onboard GPS is beneficial.

Defender has the FAST FIND Model 210 for under $300 with onboard GPS....the only negative that I see is that it doesn't float....I plan to just attach it to a life vest.
(I couldn't get the defender link to post here, so here is the product via the BOE website)--cheaper at Defender.com

http://www.boemarine.com/Products/91-001-210A/Default.aspx

C-brats, If what I said above is incorrect, please set me straight before I make my purchase....thanks again!
 
I have a SPOT and I was having trouble getting ok messages out successfully until I learned you have to leave it on for 15-20 minutes to be assured of it getting a message out. Apparently it was unsuccessful on a a number of efforts at 5 or even 10 minutes.

This leaves me with the suspicion that it might be a considerable period until a rescue team even got a distress call on this system (especially with the unit bobbing up and down in the water). With the short cold water hypothermia times in the northern Pacific this gives me pause on relying on the SPOT only.

Though I have never used the SPOT for an emergency, I did once get lost in the mountains after dark with a due back at the cabin of 6-7pm. With reasonable weather and no injury I just decided to sleep it out and pack out in the light the next morning. I was able to get out OK messages on SPOT to my wife with my location and OK which kept her from worrying and calling for unneeded rescue.

If anyone has information on the typical time frame for a distress call receipt on SPOT especially in a water recovery situation, I'd appreciate knowing that. Thank you.

Chris
 
bshillam I would go with the Fast Find, because it has built in GPS. With the Aquafix I , it has to be connected to the ships on board GPS to give a GPS location. That is fine if you have it connected, but once you loose the ship's GPS (capsize, sink etc)--you no longer have the GPS--SAR can still home on the 121.5 mhz signal. We have the model similar to this, but it has an IR connector to the ship's GPS and the built in GPS--We don't usually connect to teh ships GPS (although we should).

The problem I see as a rescue with the SPOT, is that it is complex for the Lat / lon broadcast by the Spot to be picked up by the SAR craft--it has to go the SPOT rescue center, and they then have to have some way to communicate with the SAR craft. With the 406 EPIRB, you are working through government agencies who have direct communication. The second issue is that of lack of a homing beacon on 121.5 mhz in the SPOT. PLB and 406 EPIRBs all have the 121.5 mhz homing beacon, which makes SAR faster. Most rescue craft have a system to home onto the 121.5 mhz signal. This is very helpful in finding the victim. I don't think that the SPOT broadcasts the GPS position continously, but neither does the PLB.

Sea anchor--hard to know--but I doubt that the sea anchor would have made much difference here. We don't know why they were anchored--if they were still fishing, if they wanted to stop drift, keep the bow into the wind/waves, or if they had engine problems. A sea anchor is not cheap--and is somewhat complex to use--as well as requiring stowage space. The sea anchor is usually used in the Gulf at night in deep water to slow any drift and let some of the crew get some sleep. In heavy seas, it might not pull the bow down as much as conventional anchors, but if the seas were 10 feet +, this size boat was in trouble no matter what. The FIORENTINO'S Offshore sea anchor for a boat less than 30 feet is $460 and 6 feet in diameter. I would have rather had the EPIRB and been rescued.

I do agree that a C dory 22 would have had a better chance in these conditions than an 21 foot open boat with 4 large people aboard. It would be nice to have survival suits, but from a cost, and storage standpoint in a boat this size, survival suits are rarely carried in the Gulf of Mexico waters. The issue here was staying out of the water, because of the rapidly of heat loss in the water. If they had lines tied over the boat to allow them to grip or tie themselves so that the exposure to water was limited, there would have been less chance of hypothermia---but again, the EPIRB would have been better.

I mention storage space--I have an 18 foot Center Console, which I take out at least once a week. There are a couple of built in ice chests under the helm and a seat in front of the console. There is usually some storage space under the front deck--but often life jackets and fishing gear take up most of this space. Add in the personal effects of 4 big guys--even though the boat is 3 feet longer, there is just not much storage space in a center console.
 
I realize this discussion is about EPIRBs, and how to indicate distress to a rescue operation. And indeed an EPIRB may have saved those lives. When we went blue water sailing, we had both an EPIRB and a ocean life raft. Fortunately we used neither. And sold them when we got Journey On

However, please don't let the presence of electronic saftey devices replace good judgment. Preventing the emergency is usually a lot easier the overcoming an emergency. Look what happened to those football players: they went out, and a long ways, in an open boat, did not monitor the weather, didn't return when the seas built up and even anchored in rough weather. We probably will never know what exactly happened (or we'll find out too much,) but they got into trouble instead of staying out of it.

Sometimes Judy is my own EPIRB, because she errs on the side of caution, and we're still here. A C-Dory is not a blue water boat, and you have to use good judgment when you go out.

Boris
 
journey on":1nj8ejgq said:
However, please don't let the presence of electronic saftey devices replace good judgment. Preventing the emergency is usually a lot easier the overcoming an emergency.
Boris

AMEN to that! My policy, because I am a chicken $hit boater, not Popeye, is this: If I am asking myself "Should I really be doing this?" then I've answered my own question.

Rick
 
Ashley Lynn":3d4s7vm0 said:
Matt Unique's price on the Revere Fastfind 210 seems to be the best price of them all.

http://www.commercialcaptains.com

I'd rather give my business to a fellow C-brat or C-Dory dealer than Joe business.

Thanks again for all the C-brats provide.

I couldn't find a price. All I found was a long list of suppliers. What is his price?
 
Dr Bob is again, right on when he said:
"The problem I see as a rescue with the SPOT, is that it is complex for the Lat / lon broadcast by the Spot to be picked up by the SAR craft--it has to go the SPOT rescue center, and they then have to have some way to communicate with the SAR craft. With the 406 EPIRB, you are working through government agencies who have direct communication. The second issue is that of lack of a homing beacon on 121.5 mhz in the SPOT. PLB and 406 EPIRBs all have the 121.5 mhz homing beacon, which makes SAR faster. Most rescue craft have a system to home onto the 121.5 mhz signal. This is very helpful in finding the victim. I don't think that the SPOT broadcasts the GPS position continously, but neither does the PLB."

And Boris makes a very important point here:
"However, please don't let the presence of electronic saftey devices replace good judgment. Preventing the emergency is usually a lot easier the overcoming an emergency."

SPOT is not an EPIRB, and should not be used as such. It is by definition a GPS assisted Satellite communication device. It does have 911 Help calling but does not have the 121.5 homing beacon. Point well taken. It's communication features are global in scope but rudimentary in nature. You have 4 very basic signals, (911, non-emergent help, checking in OK, and tracking). The advantage of SPOT is that it works where there is no cell phone coverage. (Much of our cruising grounds here in the PNW come in under that lack of service area.) So SPOT for us allows family to track daily and for us to send an "I'm OK" message morning and evening, or a help via Satellite. For water rescue, even though the SPOT does not have the homing beacon, we each have a handheld VHF with ch16 capabilities. BTW, SPOT will resend the 911 multiple times and if reset will acquire a new GPS reading and send that in the new message.

Harvey
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