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[C-Hawk]

On edit by Da Nag

I broke off all the posts below, from a promising topic with some useful info in it. This thread locked up and left for reference, enough has been said on the subject.

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Sorry Don-

Some people just don'y get it-- that this is an owner specific site for C-Dory Boats and Ranger Tugs.

Kind of like that kid that was dating my daughter several years ago.
He was welcome to come by and spend time visiting any time he wanted, well- if we were home. He started seeing someone else and when she broke it off, I had to tell him that he needed to find some other place to go.

Ya know, he was a nice kid and if they had gotten married, he would still be welcome.

 

[Gregw]

Roger & Don, get a life, rent a life, lease a puppy, get over yourselves.

Greg noIdon'townac-dorybutonedayIhopetoandatthatpointIwillnotbeastuck-upboatowner White

 

[Sneaks]

Sorry Don-

Some people just don't get it-- that this is an owner specific site for C-Dory Boats and Ranger Tugs.

ROTFLMAO! Like posting Ford stuff on a Chevy site and if somebody makes a remark about it they're "stuck up"?

I told you somebody would rush to call me a Bigot, Roger. No matter how gentle the reminder. Not a problem. The other day somebody even accused me of being a Democrat. :roll:

Don

 

[Wandering Sagebrush]

I told you somebody would rush to call me a Bigot, Roger. No matter how gentle the reminder. Not a problem. The other day somebody even accused me of being a Democrat. :roll:

Don

Don, we all thought you were a Democrat. You mean you're not?

 

[TyBoo]

:amgry

 

[Dene]

Sorry Greg- some folks just dont get it. if you are nice and polite and like, but dont currently have, c-dorys you are weclomed here to talk about boating related topic's. So keep up the list. Herers mine list, mostly fishing related.
1. my new custom fish box
2. Rocket pole holder on the radar mask. This allows me to carry far more gear then every before. I have 6 rod holders and would like to add some hooks for crap pots.
3. Electric down riggers- even it they are scottys.
4. Pro-release downrigger clips, best made for the way I fish- you know the right way.
5. abu garcia reels- best reels for the price.
Thats just off the top of my head.

Gregw- man hit the space bar once in the while....and count to 100. .

Thanks for the kind words, Thomas,

Roger has said this to me two or three times. To date, nobody else has chimed in to support his position. Consequently, I don't take his view seriously. If he wants to listen only to C-Dory owners, he can choose to put me and other riff-raff on full ignore. If he manages to sway others to his elitist viewpoint, then I'll politely leave.

Regardless, this remains the best small boat forum in the internet and I intend to participate, especially since I'm dumb enough to own three small boats. I also intend to buy a Ranger in 5 years.

Hope to meet you someday at a C-Dory gathering.

-Greg

 

[C-Hawk]

I agree with you that this is the best boating forum on the internet, but as it says on the front page-
A Fun and Informative Boating Forum for C-Dory People!
I don't see where that indicates a small boat forum for the general public.

Greg,
You seem like a great guy(from reading some of your posts), but the fact remains that this is an owners group, not a forum for small boat owners.

Regards,

Roger

 

[Rob & Karen]

I try to stay out of the politics of this site, but sometimes I worry that if I do not speak up, others may assume that we are all in agreement. I do not understand why it is necessary to be rude to the original poster.

There seems to be some focus on the fact that he does not own a C-Dory. However, as far as I can tell, there are over 3800 registered members on the site. Since I have hull number 575 of the CD22 line and it is a 2007 model year, I don't think there are anywhere near 3800 C-Dory's in exisitence. Therefore, it appears that we have many members who do not own a C-Dory. Also, I thouht I read that one of the antagonizers sold his boat recently. Why is this guy being singled out?

The other point seems to be that this member participates. However, he seems to post mostly on the General Chat forum which, as far as I know, is open to most any civil topic, including other brand boats. This point was made clear by one of the antagonizers earlier this month.

So we have a registered member that has been polite, has not made derogatory comments about C-Dories, has not promoted some other brand of boat, has stated his desire to own a Ranger Tug, and posts about boating topics on the appropriate forums.

So again I ask, why are we tossing out the "just be nice rule" and instead being rude to this guy?

I have buttoned up my fire proof suit, so say what you like.

Rob

 

[Dene]

I agree with you that this is the best boating forum on the internet, but as it says on the front page-
A Fun and Informative Boating Forum for C-Dory People!
I don't see where that indicates a small boat forum for the general public.

So says you.....only you. The fact is that nobody seems to share your exclusive stance. Until you are able to garner support, I'm going to ignore these types of posts from you. Perhaps you should consider ignoring mine and other non-owner's posts or learn to live and let live.

-Greg

 

[Sneaks]

First off, I like C-Dorys and stuff that's C-Dory specific. My list would include

Barkeepers Friend
Liquid Rollers
Reading about various C-Dory Owner Group modifications to the C-Dory
Bottom Paint alternatives for the C-Dory in fresh and salt water environments
C-Brat adventures into waters not traveled by the average boater
This C-Dory specific web site best of all.

Don

Roger & Don, get a life, rent a life, lease a puppy, get over yourselves.
Greg noIdon'townac-dorybutonedayIhopetoandatthatpointIwillnotbeastuck-upboatowner White

Roger has said this to me two or three times. To date, nobody else has chimed in to support his position. Consequently, I don't take his view seriously. If he wants to listen only to C-Dory owners, he can choose to put me and other riff-raff on full ignore. If he manages to sway others to his elitist viewpoint, then I'll politely leave.

Regardless, this remains the best small boat forum in the internet and I intend to participate, especially since I'm dumb enough to own three small boats. I also intend to buy a Ranger in 5 years.
-Greg

Therefore, it appears that we have many members who do not own a C-Dory. Also, I thought I read that one of the antagonizers sold his boat recently. Why is this guy being singled out?

The other point seems to be that this member participates. However, he seems to post mostly on the General Chat forum which, as far as I know, is open to most any civil topic, including other brand boats. This point was made clear by one of the antagonizers earlier this month.

So again I ask, why are we tossing out the "just be nice rule" and instead being rude to this guy?

Rob

Rob, my name is Don or, if you prefer, Sneaks, not "one of the antagonizers." I prefer my name, not a label.

Greg White, your comment is definitely uncalled for and IMHO just exacerbates a potentially combustable thread. It says more about you than Roger and me.

Dene, I have to disagree with you. This is a C-Dory Owners Group site that over time turned into "the best small boat forum in the internet" primarily because of the active participation of the owners, not the general membership. On that subject yes, I am a Bigot. It was never a "small boat forum that happens to concentrate on C-Dorys" and I don't think any of the owners would disagree.

As for non owner postings? To say I'm against it is very much a wild assumption. The bulk of non-owner postings are either pre-purchase questions, rave reviews from rides they got from sea trials, or their genuine interest in mods owners have put forth. Why you were "picked on", Dene? I can only guess but it might have been prolific posts. There are very few non-owner posters with over 200 posts, none of which contribute to the body of specific C-Dory knowledge on this site. I've even seen hunting photos in other non-owner's posts and wondered what the poster was thinking. Do I think less of you because you don't own a C-Dory? Of course not. I simply disagree with your premise.

Oh, and Rob? Yes, I'm between boats again due to circumstance. Then again I've got a track record of mods - C-80/fuel flow and shore power among them so yer not gonna get me outta here easily.

One final note: Posting on this site is a benefit, not an entitlement. That only one or two posters have lost their benefits is a tribute to either Mike and Bill's tolerance level or the membership itself. I think it's a little of both.

Don/Sneaks/Antagonizer/Bigot/fill in the blank

 

[Chester]

Here goes...
This is a forum for C-Dory and Ranger owners.
I believe a forum for Devlin and other stitch and glue boats could be patterned after this site. It would address issues specific to their boats and create a community similar to ours.
I am very active on a couple Harley forums, sometimes other brand owners post but it just works better when the Harley forums talk Harley. And no, it's not an arrogance or class thing, we don't feel it necessary to diss the other makes. It is amusing though to scan some of the other motorcycle forums, especially certain Goldwing sites. Many of them go on and on about what pieces of crap Harleys are and how snotty we are and how they won't even acknowledge us! It's nice to ride a brand that dosen't make us feel it necessary to put others down to feel good about our own.
BTW my favorite riding buddy has a Yamaha.
Sorry about rambling on but brand specific forums just work better when they stay focused.
There are very good boating forums such as http://www.thehulltruth.com that aren't brand specific.

 

[Anonymous]

DENE,
As a partial owner of a 2003 C-Dory 22 which I have given to my son, I still read the C-Dory post as I have had 10-20 boats in my life and love them. Especially the C-Dorys. Do not post the vessels name and leave that to my son. Have had the same type responses that you got to some of my posts. Sorry that some are so elitist. Sometimes I think it comes from people who live in this area of California (Santa Barbara). Or the NorthWest coast of Florida. Sad. I am with you as is Bill I think.

 

[Dene]

Yes, I'm between boats again due to circumstance.

Your justification applies to me. I cannot afford a Ranger....yet. I'd be appalled if somebody asked you to leave because of your circumstance.

-Greg

 

[Chester]

Edit; I ment to say "This is a forum for C-Dory and Ranger owners and fans".
The 30 minute time limit for edits frustrates me, I need to proof read my stuff more than once in some cases.
I'd like to see a Devlin-stitch&glue forum, prolly wouldn't post other than to say hello but I would lurk from time to time. Something like this woulda been helpful when we were building we were building our Pygmy kayaks.
I'm not being elitist when I say brand specific forums work best when they stay focused. I'm just relating what I've seen having spent probably too much time in different forums.

 

[Dene]

Edit; I ment to say "This is a forum for C-Dory and Ranger owners and fans".
The 30 minute time limit for edits frustrates me, I need to proof read my stuff more than once in some cases.
I'd like to see a Devlin-stitch&glue forum, prolly wouldn't post other than to say hello but I would lurk from time to time. Something like this woulda been helpful when we were building we were building our Pygmy kayaks.
I'm not being elitist when I say brand specific forums work best when they stay focused. I'm just relating what I've seen having spent probably too much time in different forums.

I agree a Devlin forum would be nice but Sam himself would have to be the driving force. I didn't buy my Devlin because it's a Devlin. I bought it because I like small pilothouse boats, like C-Dory's and Rangers. That's one reason why this forum is so valuable to me.

I belong to Boater's Ed. which is similar to Hull Truth. For overall boating info., those forums are valuable. For specific pilothouse boating, this forum is the best. Also, there is a strong NW connection here too.

Glad you clarified "fan." I certainly fit that bill.

-Greg

 

[jlastofka]

I'll put in my vote for trying to keep the site content C-Dory centered. That doesn't have to be elitist and it doesn't have to exclude people or postings. It just means we should keep a firm, steady, polite pressure in the direction of trying to keep the focus on C-Dory related topics and information. If we don't do that, it won't take long for the focus to wander and disappear and we'll end up with just another site full of random boating information.

When that happens we'll have to wade through volumes of off-topic stuff to find stuff related to our boats. Not a good deal.

I want to be able to read about boats and trailering and equipment and destinations that apply pretty directly to my C-Dory. That's why I'm here.

I'm pretty sure this kind of thinking was behind Roger's comment. It's hard to type something in black and white text and not have it possibly get interpreted harshly. He's a really friendly, nice guy, and very helpful. I doubt he meant to be 'elitist' or mean in any way. I expect he's just hoping to keep the site somewhat true to it's name. "The C-Brats"

We have some forums here on the site that are titled in ways that indicate general information. It would be nice if we could gently but steadily direct general stuff there. We just have to word the requests carefully so they don't get misinterpreted.

I just thought of a really neat addition to the system software: At the top of each message body window, where you start typing your message, there would be a little slider bar that you would drag to give a rating to what you're about to type. You wouldn't be able to type until you set the level. You'd set it to one extreme if it's really quality stuff that stays on topic and everyone would be interested in it. You'd slide it to the other extreme if you're making a joke about what someone said, or commenting on their dog, or wandering off in some other fashion that we all tend to do at times. We know it's off-topic, but we just can't resist saying it anyway. People who want to concentrate on useful stuff could set a preference to ignore posts rated below a certain level. If you're in the mood to read any old thing, you'd set the level there.

Just a thought.

-Jeff

 

[breausaw]

What’s happened to this forum? With out a doubt this sit is the most informative owner navigated forum on the web, but lately the tenor seems off course.
This thread is a case in point, what happed to the original float plan?
Perhaps as spring approaches we’ll find our sea legs and set a steadier track.

 

[Bill McLean]

Please don't pitch off the non-owners! I am new here, planning on purchasing a 25 or 22 cruiser soon. I have learned a TON by reading the posts here. I am sure as I get closer to purchasing, I will have some questions. In the meantime - thanks for all of the information here.
Bill McLean
Piedmont, SC

 

[Anonymous]

Are we now the "Ranger-brats"? Sad, and ridiculous. Are we getting back to the user "Dictator" type site? Not with Bill, I believe! Just be nice to all!

 

[JamesTXSD]

Please don't pitch off the non-owners! I am new here, planning on purchasing a 25 or 22 cruiser soon. I have learned a TON by reading the posts here. I am sure as I get closer to purchasing, I will have some questions. In the meantime - thanks for all of the information here.
Bill McLean
Piedmont, SC

I don't think anyone is talking about pitching anyone, Bill (if that makes sense). DaNag Bill and Tyboo Mike own this site, so anyone else saying how the site should be run is just giving a personal opinion. When I first came to this site, it was to learn more about these boats. I lurked, asked a polite question or two, learned a lot, and was welcomed aboard. I don't think it's much different these days... it's still a friendly, welcoming kinda place. I understand the desire to keep it focused on the boats that brought us all together, but spending time here to learn about C-Dorys is a big part of what led to our desire to own a C-Dory.

I think we can all agree that everyone brings a unique perspective to this forum, and no one wants that to go away. While I've learned a great deal here, I also learn from other boat owners, regardless of the brand of boat they own. Keep in mind, it's still Bill and Mike's place, the rest of us are guests here. And while we may not all agree on everything, it would be rude to come into our hosts' place and not follow the only rule. So, enjoy the hospitality, contribute with what feels right, learn about the boats, and make new friends.

I've had the pleasure to meet a lot of these folks in person. A darn likable bunch. And great taste in boats! :wink

Good luck on your quest to own a C-Dory. :thup

Jim B.