Forced upgrade from Honda 135 to 150

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Alyssa Jean

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(I don't mean forced in a negative way)Got a call from C-Dory today and it seems that someone(s) misjudged the number of Honda 135's that would be sold between the Seattle Boat Show time and now. C-dory is out of them and Honda can't ship more for at least three months or maybe longer. (Jim and Laurie got one of the last ones.) So the alternative is to go with the 150 if we want to keep the Honda financing that was the big come-on at the show. I don't think this was at all contrived by C-Dory. So. Looks like Pat and I will have a little more HP at the 4000-6000 RPM range. Probably won't use it much, but it's there if needed. And I will have to say that C-Dory is making it as painless as they can.

(For Brock º º º )
 
Well, that shouldn't be too hard to deal with, especially if CD made the switch out less painful... We just ordered the CD 25 with the 150. I received a test report from Honda with the CD 25 w/ 150 Honda that I sea trialed at the Miami Boat Show. Be happy to share it with whomever is interested. Based on my sea-trial and the report, the 150 seems like a pretty sweet pairing with the 25. Congratulations on your new boat!

Cheers,
 
Yeah, crying in my beer over this one! Seriously, had not considered the 150 really, but not complaining at all! Best news, Scott Mathews says they MAY be able to move our production slot up a little sooner...that would be good news indeed, feeling really weird being boatless...
 
You should have more torque across the rpm range. Torque is what pushes the boat. Horsepower remains a mathematical forumula based purely on torque and rpm.

-- Chuck
 
I'd love to see the test report on this combo - scan to PDF? Fax?


gotjm3":35nmndhk said:
I received a test report from Honda with the CD 25 w/ 150 Honda that I sea trialed at the Miami Boat Show. Be happy to share it with whomever is interested. Based on my sea-trial and the report, the 150 seems like a pretty sweet pairing with the 25. Congratulations on your new boat!

Cheers,
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I'd like to see this too please. I have the BF135 on my CD25. What prop did they use ?

Tif, pdf, jpg by email maybe? Anyway to post to this site?

Regards,

Peter in NY
 
To those who want the Honda 150 on a CD 25 report, please send an email to me at tjm@bmpinc.com (I can't figure out how to attach the .pdf file here). I was told that any given motor may not necessarily come with the same Solas prop that was tested, but any prop of similar size and pitch should have similar results.

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Thanks TJ, interesting. Seems like I want to be at either 3500 RPM/14.9 MPH/3.8GPH/3.9 MPG or 4500 RPM/23.0 MPH/6.3 GPH/3.7MPG for the optimum performance.

PROPELLER TEST REPORT
TEST DATE: 25 FEBRUARY, 2005 BULLETIN NO. 240
RPM SPEED (mph) GPH MPG
1000 3.6 0.6 6.0
1500 5.5 0.9 6.1
2000 6.8 1.2 5.7
2500 7.9 1.9 4.2
3000 9.0 2.9 3.1
3500 14.9 3.8 3.9
4000 18.0 5.2 3.5
4500 23.0 6.3 3.7
5000 26.9 8.1 3.3
5500 31.3 11.0 2.9
6000 35.4 14.5 2.4

SOURCE:. NM/DIGITAL GAUGE/GPS
MANUFACTURER
C DORY BOATS
AUBURN, WA. 98002
MODEL: 25 CRUISER
POWER
ENGINE ________________ BF150 A5XA
HORSEPOWER __________ 150 HP
SHAFT LENGTH __________ 25 INCHES
ENGINE HEIGHT _________ # 3
PROPELLER
DIA. X PITCH ____________14 ½ X 15 IN.
NO.OF BLADES ____________________3
MFG. __________SOLAS – NEW SATURN
MATERIAL _______________ STAINLESS
HULL
MATERIAL ________________________ FIBERGLASS
BOTTOM STYLE _________________ SHALLOW VEE
CENTERLINE LENGTH ___________________ 25’ – 5”
BEAM __________________________________ 8’ – 6”
HULL WEIGHT ________________________ 3640 LBS.
LOADED WEIGHT _____________________ 5314 LBS.
FUEL CAPACITY ________________________ 107 GAL.
MAXIMUM HORSEPOWER _________________ 200 HP
 
Yes, the sweet spots are definitely at 3500 rpm (14.9 mph/ 3.9 mpg) or 4500 rpm (23 mph/ 3.7 mpg). The 4000 rpm (18.0 mph/3.5 mpg) isn't too bad, most other boaters would kill for that economy. I would have thought 18 mph might be a more practical fast cruise speed here in the bay when it gets snotty than 23.0 mph. However, I had the Miami test boat at 4500 rpm for quite a while in Biscayne Bay, and the water was lousy with boat-wake chop (all the sea-trialers), and the CD 25 ride was fairly smooth and it felt like we were standing still. So perhpas I'll get more use out of that 4500 rpm band than I thought. We can't wait to sea-trial our own boat, of course. She's in production now, and I may get some photos of her in the shop. If we do, I'll definitely post 'em.

Have a nice weekend, all!
 
I will be at the factory on Monday to sign finance papers. Could take a picture or two if I know what to look for. What color is it and is your name on the papers or a distributor? Would send them to you from Maui on Wed or so.
 
OK, anybody have a FloScan digital fuel flow meter, which tells you gallons per hour and when connected to your GPS also gives you miles per gallon? Having this information available to adjust rpms under actual conditions really seems like it would be great. But looking at Google results these puppies seem to be around $1,500 - if that is right, I will gladly go with the reported sweet spots...if anybody does have one, where did you get it, which model, how much did it cost and did it repay its cost in fuel savings?
 
Pat -

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Two hundred and eighty four bucks. Find it right here. This might not be the ideal one for your system, but there are others.
 
Hi,

I received the actual Honda pdf from TJ above, and at the bottom of the sheet it says "source: NM Digital Guage / GPS. So this data is from I guess the Navman Digital meter.

I have purchased but not yet installed the FloScan 9000-20B-1 which also includes a digital tack as well ast the GPH/MPG and gallons used when connected to my Garmin MFD via one of the NMEA ports. I bought it here for $529: http://www.pyacht.net but it was drop shipped from Seattle. I chose the FloScan even though it is pricey since it will replace exactly the Honda analog Tach and because I didn't want to crowd the wiring bulkhead behind the helm any further nor make any more holes. The autopilot pump will go there and the depth sounder black box is already there. I will gather data on my BF135 and post it at some future date, later in the season.

Regards,
Peter in NY

There was another owner of a CD25w/BF150 : "Minnow ", who used the Honda digital guage set that seems to have fuel data right from the engines computer.

Minnow":22s3eipg said:
CD25 Honda BF150 Performance Chart
I had received several requests for this info, so I thought I would post it here.
Conditions on the Delaware river this morning; 70 degrees, no wind, flat surface, slack low tide, 2 people, 1 very large dog, half tank water, half tank fuel. Medium load of gear. Tabs fully retracted. Solas 14 X 19 SS 3 blade prop. Speed from GPS, fuel flow from Honda digital gauge. Range based on 90% of 107 gal tank.

RPM MPH GPH MPG Range
660(idle) 3.5 <.5 --- ---
1000 4.7 .6 7.8 751
1500 6.4 1.0 6.4 616
2000 7.9 1.4 5.6 539
2500 9.4 2.2 4.3 414
3000 12.0 3.4 3.5 337
3500 14.7 4.6 3.2 308
4000 18.0 6.1 2.9 284
4500 25.0 7.5 3.3 318
5000 29.0 10.1 2.9 279
5500 32.5 13.4 2.4 231
5520(WOT) 35.5 14.0 2.5 241

In conclusion, this motor / boat combination is all sweet spot, running happily at any speed in flat conditions. Running in one to two foot slop, the boat was happiest with the tabs partly down and speeds below 25 mph. The transition from displacement to plane is very subtle, happening around 11 mph.
P.S. A big thumbs up on the Wallas. Running last week starting out with frost on the docks, and a pot of coffee brewing by the time I made it to the main channel, I thought that life just doesn’t get much better than this!
PPS. I had a feeling the chart formatting wasn't going to work. Maybe the head nerd could fix it for me?
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Gotjm3, I also had a copy of the Prop Test. Like you, I was surprised that the 4500rpm "sweet spot" gave better MPG than the ones at 3500 and 4000.

Typically, planing hulls get the highest MPG at the lower displacement speeds, then drop quickly when the boat struggles to get up on a plane.

Once a clean plane is achieved, the lowest clean planing speed usually gives the highest planing MPG.

The Honda 150 on the 25 bettered the lower cruising speeds by delivering 23 MPH and 3.7 GPH at 4500 rpm. Very usable for inland waters, although perhaps a bit much for all but the calmest days offshore.

I'm wondering if it is just a coincidence that the VTEC on the 150 switches from the low speed cam lobe to the high speed at 4500 rpm?
 
Phantom - might have snapped a picture of your boat last Friday (or next) if we knew your name...all the boats have the customer's name, and in the case of dealer boats, both the dealer and the customer.

Phantom's Signature":2ftd64kl said:
Boat on order. Delivery in March, '05
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Pat, if you saw a gray 25 cruiser with a swim platform, an auxiliary helm station, radar arch w/rocket launchers, and no engines,(they will be installed at our Bay Area dealer) it was ours.

Don and Mary Irvine
 
I will look for it. What is the name of the dealer?


Phantom":1hgwf7jr said:
Pat, if you saw a gray 25 cruiser with a swim platform, an auxiliary helm station, radar arch w/rocket launchers, and no engines,(they will be installed at our Bay Area dealer) it was ours.

Don and Mary Irvine
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Pat, our dealer is a bit strange in that they go by two corporate names.

Their newest is "Seapower Marine." They apparently like to maintain their ties to their past by also using,"The Outboard Motor Shop" (dating back to 1926)on both their cards and signage.

Despite the apparent dichotomy, they have a single location; 1 block from the Alameda bridge in Oakland, Ca.

Thanks,

Don(and Mary)-- anxiously awaiting the birth of the C-Shanty
 
Just a note on my earlier performance chart. As Les pointed out to me last year, the motor is clearly overpropped. The other chart had a 15" prop and better MPG, compared to my 19'". My WOT is now around 5400 and everybody is telling me to get it up to 6000 and let the motor breathe. I have a vibration when in gear, at idle, that the Honda rep tells me is from being overpropped, so it looks like the 15 is the way to go. Opinions?
 
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