Have you had your Flu shot?

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I think it's important to point out:

Myself and most folks that stay away from the new shots being pushed on the public aren't debating the SCIENCE of inoculation. but asking, "Do you trust the for profit, 400+ billion dollar a year pharmaceutical industry? Who have a long history of killing people, both intentional and otherwise.

I saw it mentioned in this thread that the CDC is highly trustable. Really? Did you know it's now, and usually headed by former pharmaceutical CEOs? Can you honestly say there is no bias there?

This is the same industry that openly lobbies the federal government (many would say, including me, that they ARE the federal government, along with a few other interchangeable corporate players) That have an openly stated "goal" to have all school aged children on psychotropics by 2015 (the CDC recently announced proudly that it breached 20% this year)

Did you know there are currently over a 100 different flu like shots ready for the market (a half dozen were just rolled out this year) and they're stackable. Very little research has been done to test the combined effects they have in the human body. Most are fast tracked straight to market with very little oversight.

I see it like this: If you trust the government, you probably also trust behemoth corporations like big pharma. There's little difference between the two at this point anyway since we have an openly corporate government (they use to call this fascism, before people stopped studying history.)

The day of forced inoculations are coming. Like someone else stated here, some corporate and medical field jobs now require it. Forced inoculations are extremely unconstitutional. It also makes no logical sense. If you're inoculated, why would you be worried about someone who isn't? (you're protected, right?)

medical care is for such emergencies as: broken bones, drama care, things of that nature. All of these new shots are completely profit driven, ineffective at best, but probably harmful in the long and short term.

Someone said "I'd risk all of those possible side effects on the insert than get the flu" Really?! I've had the flu (once or twice in my 41 years. And not in at least 25 years) it's sucks, but it goes away in a couple days.

I don't trust the industry. You need to ask yourself, why do you?
 
all we can do is the best we can with the information we have at the time. Lots of mistakes have been made medically and nutritionally over the history of mankind, but those mistakes were made based upon what people understood as "fact" at the time.

we get many other vaccines, but the flu shot always seems to be a little controversial for some reason. I dont get it because it kind of grosses me out. I'd probably be a prime candidate though, I've had the flu more than once. My 4yr old son and wife both got it this year already.

If I recall correctly, Homer Simpson discovered the government uses the flu shot to control our minds :shock:


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The life expectancy of a male born in the United States during 1936 was 56.6 years. The life expectancy of male born in the United States during 2012 is 76.2 years. Currently a living 77 year old male has a life expectancy of 9.7 years. In the last 77 years the life expectancy of a male in the US has increased by almost 20 years. This increase in life expectancy is unprecedented in human history. This is due to the advances of medical care available. res ipsa loquitur

The CDC's director is Tom Frieden, MD, MPH. His entire career has been in epidemiology, and Public Health. Absolutely no connection with the pharmaceutical industry.

Each person has to make his own decision about health care. However, I would hope that these decisions are made by intelligent study of facts, not rumor mongering.
 
thataway":22p0pi8t said:
The life expectancy of a male born in the United States during 1936 was 56.6 years. The life expectancy of male born in the United States during 2012 is 76.2 years. Currently a living 77 year old male has a life expectancy of 9.7 years. In the last 77 years the life expectancy of a male in the US has increased by almost 20 years. This increase in life expectancy is unprecedented in human history. This is due to the advances of medical care available. res ipsa loquitur

The CDC's director is Tom Frieden, MD, MPH. His entire career has been in epidemiology, and Public Health. Absolutely no connection with the pharmaceutical industry.

Each person has to make his own decision about health care. However, I would hope that these decisions are made by intelligent study of facts, not rumor mongering.
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I hope you understand that has nothing to do with te flu shot.
 
MilesandMiles":2f9i2yzx said:
thataway":2f9i2yzx said:
The life expectancy of a male born in the United States during 1936 was 56.6 years. The life expectancy of male born in the United States during 2012 is 76.2 years. Currently a living 77 year old male has a life expectancy of 9.7 years. In the last 77 years the life expectancy of a male in the US has increased by almost 20 years. This increase in life expectancy is unprecedented in human history. This is due to the advances of medical care available. res ipsa loquitur

The CDC's director is Tom Frieden, MD, MPH. His entire career has been in epidemiology, and Public Health. Absolutely no connection with the pharmaceutical industry.

Each person has to make his own decision about health care. However, I would hope that these decisions are made by intelligent study of facts, not rumor mongering.
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I hope you understand that has nothing to do with te flu shot.
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But this does:
The CDC's director is Tom Frieden, MD, MPH. His entire career has been in epidemiology, and Public Health. Absolutely no connection with the pharmaceutical industry.
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...and shows that your "facts" about the CDC are unfounded & just rhetoric, IMO.

I just got back from getting my shot....and I feel fine. :wink:
 
Someone said "I'd risk all of those possible side effects on the insert than get the flu" Really?! I've had the flu (once or twice in my 41 years. And not in at least 25 years) it's sucks, but it goes away in a couple days.
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As I've said before; MY DOCTOR RECOMMENDED IT FOR ME. I have a somewhat compromised respiratory system, as I have had asthma my entire life. Although it is not chronic, I do battle bouts of it, especially in winter or when I get a cold, bronchitis etc. I am only 52. Ergo, my doctor knows my history. I trust my doctor. My doctor is looking out for my long-term health.

I do not think there is some evil, nefarious "corporation" out there targeting people w/ vaccines, all in a chase for just the almighty dollar. JMO. You are free to not get it. Just as I am free to get one. That is the beauty of America.

And your statement that it "goes away in a couple of days" could be YOUR experience at your young age. It is not everyone's experience. My wife is an RN and can tell you numerous examples of the flu killing people she cared for. I'm sure Dr Bob has them too. So again, it's up to each person to decide.

Merry Christmas!!! :xtongue
 
localboy":11eta8fy said:
I do not think there is some evil, nefarious "corporation" out there targeting people w/ vaccines, all in a chase for just the almighty dollar.
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I do, I definitely do, but I still think the vaccines serve a purpose even though I dont get one. I should though. Last year my wife and I were in the ER on new years day because our flu was so bad that we weren't sure if we'd live the night through. (turns out we survived). I lost 13lbs and didn't vomit or anything like that. Just from 2 weeks of being bed ridden and not eating. And as a competing athlete, 13lbs was a pretty decent setback. that said, I think the vaccines are probably good for most of everyone, I think large pharmas do have a hint of evil, and my personal reasons for not getting the vaccine are pretty immature. I know you weren't pointing the convo at me, I just saw a bees nest and wanted to see if my finger would fit.
 
Adverse reactions can occur and should be reported to VAERS

the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national vaccine safety surveillance program co-sponsored by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS is a post-marketing safety surveillance program that collects information about adverse events (possible side effects) that occur after the administration of vaccines licensed for use in the United States.

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986 requires health professionals and vaccine manufacturers to report to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) specific adverse events that occur after the administration of routinely recommended vaccines. In response to NCVIA, CDC and FDA established VAERS in 1990 (Chen, Vaccine, 1994).

VAERS has demonstrated its public health importance by providing health scientists with signals about possible adverse events following immunization. In one instance, VAERS detected reports for intussusception over that what would be expected to occur by chance alone after the RotaShield rotavirus vaccine in 1999. Epidemiologic studies confirmed an increased risk, and these data contributed to the product's removal from the US market. In another example, VAERS determined that there may be a potential for a small increase in risk for Guillain-Barre' syndrome (GBS) after the meningococcal conjugate vaccine, Menactra. As a result of this finding, a history of GBS became a contraindication to the vaccine and further controlled studies are currently underway to research this issue.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/esub/index


Wikipedia discusses Natural News web site

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaturalNew ... scientists
 
Well, I've spent my working life in public health, from digging pit privvies with the Seabees, teaching (yes teaching) handwashing to food handlers in the 50's, doing field epidemiology for sexually transmitted diseases and tuberculosis, to organizing Sabin Oral Polio programs in the 60's, working in vaccine preventable disease programs in the 70's, and finally teaching infection control procedures to ambulance personnel at the start of the AIDs epidemic in the early 80's. Along the way I have seen polio victims in iron lungs(before vaccines) and unimmunized health care workers die from measles. To be sure, the history of public health, like all history, is not without it's excesses and, if you are determined to find anecdotal negatives you can. But, as I've often said, the pit privvie, handwashing, and vaccines have contributed more to the public's health than most people can imagine. (I guess it's too late to say "don't get me started")

Martin Platzner, MPH
 
MilesandMiles":2dj1jur3 said:
I hope you understand that has nothing to do with te flu shot.
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On the contrary, as noted by others who have been in the public health field, the vaccines have contributed to the longevity of many. Perhaps your are younger and don't remember the horrors of the young men--my age--who were in iron lung, were crippled or died from Polio. The vaccines completely eradicated polio in the United states. This is only one of many vaccines which have increased longevity--including the flue vaccine. Yes, most of the deaths currently are from secondary complications. However the chance of debilitation by influenza is reduced by the vaccine. None of us remember the influenza pandemic of 1918-1920 which caused the death of somewhere between 20 and 40 million people. I didn't want to get into the specifics of various disease processes--since that is far beyond the scope of this thread--but decreasing the incidence of influenza and most likely the virulence of the disease, many thousands of lives have been saved. This directly has contributed to the increased longevity.

I might also point out the vaccines improved infant, childhood and young adult mortality--also adding to longevity. Have there been issues with some vaccines along the way--yes. But the overall effect has been very beneficial to all of mankind.
medical care is for such emergencies as: broken bones, drama care, things of that nature.
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. Ok tell that to the many thousands of lives which have been saved by modern medical procedures for specific disease process. For example in the mid 1960's I was one of 4 physicians doing hemodialysis in the Los Angeles Basin. That lead to the founding of the UCLA dialysis unit, and preservation of life for a few who were chosen for that program and got a transplant. The rest died--it was a very difficult time because we had life saving technology, but we didn't have the resources to use this for all who needed it.
 
In 28 years as a Respiratory therapist, I have treated hundreds of patients who have succumbed to flu and it's most nasty secondary results, most often pneumonia and respiratory failure. Several hundred, at least that spent time on a ventilator, (days to weeks) and seen more than I care to remember not survive. In that same 28 years, I have treated just over a dozen Guillain-Barré Syndrome, of which only 3 had had a flu shot. Of the GBS patients, 2 were fatalities, (eventually succumbing to multi organ failure and sepsis -- this was back in the early days of MARSA and we lacked the new and major antibiotic big guns to be able to turn them around.) Best as we could figure they had not had any exposure to the flu vaccine.

Having spent my whole working career in health care, I have taken the opportunity to protect myself and my family with as much immunity as possible. Like Mark, the gloves, Personal protective devices, masks, and vaccines were my body armor. I have very rarely been sick, and want to stay that way.

Thank you, I'll take my shot now -----> oh, already did, And after a hundred pushups I never felt a thing, :lol: :lol: :lol:

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
Look into the not libel laws specifically for pharma and vaccine damage. They lobbied the government to give them special status, just like Monsanto and its monstrous gmo garbage they're force feeding is (but won't touch themselves) you can be assured those working closest to this don't shoot themselves or families up with this garbage, it's only for the slaves.
 
US Supreme Court ruled ruled 6-2 in 2011 that federal law shields vaccine makers from suits filed in state courts seeking compensation for injuries or deaths due allegedly to avoidable design problems with the vaccines. Instead, the court said, people who claim injuries need to go through a special no fault vaccine court detailed below

Vaccine Program/Office of Special Masters

The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ("Vaccine Program") comprises Part 2 of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 ("Vaccine Act"). See Pub. L. No. 99-660, 100 Stat. 3755 (1986) (codified as amended at 42 U.S.C.A. § §300aa-1 through -34 (West 1991 & Supp. 2001)). The Vaccine Act became effective October 1, 1988. It establishes the Vaccine Program as a no-fault compensation scheme whereby persons allegedly suffering injury or death as a result of the administration of certain compulsory childhood vaccines may petition the federal government for monetary damages. Congress intended that the Vaccine Program provide individuals a swift, flexible, and less adversarial alternative to the often costly and lengthy civil arena of traditional tort litigation.

All vaccine claims are managed and adjudicated by the congressionally-created Office of Special Masters, which currently consists of one chief special master and seven associate special masters who are appointed to serve for four year terms. The Office of Special Masters is established within the U.S. Court of Federal Claims which appoints and removes the special masters and to which the special masters' decisions are appealed. The special master has two primary functions: case management, which involves overseeing the collection of information and setting time frames for its submission; and decision making, which involves determining the types of proceedings necessary for presenting the relevant evidence and ultimately weighing the evidence in rendering a final, enforceable decision. In each case, the special master actively and frequently interacts with the parties, generally through counsel representing petitioner and a Department of Justice attorney representing the Secretary of Health and Human Services, to ensure that the case progresses effectively and efficiently. The parties are also given several opportunities early on in the case to ask questions, raise concerns, discuss generally how the system works, and, if appropriate, learn the special master's tentative conclusions and findings. Throughout the entire process, the special masters make every effort to balance Congress's vision of streamlined proceedings with the parties' right to a fair opportunity to present their cases. The special masters' rules, orders, and other published communications, such as the special masters' Guidelines for Practice Under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, likewise
 
Former CDC Director Now President of Merck's Vaccine Unit

In the summer of 2011, Merck president Julie Gerberding said in a news interview1 that she's "very bullish on vaccines," as she recounted the various ways she helps Merck sell its products. What she didn't divulge was her motivation for leaving her job as director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)—an agency charged with overseeing vaccines and drug companies—and join Merck in the first place, back in January 2010.

If you don't see the enormity of the influence her former high-level ties to the CDC can have, just consider the fact that Merck makes 14 of the 17 pediatric vaccines recommended by the CDC, and 9 of the 10 recommended for adults, and while vaccine safety advocates are trying to rein in the number of vaccines given to babies, safety concerns keep falling on deaf ears. The vaccine industry is booming, and it's become quite clear that profit potential is the driving factor behind it.

One of the reasons for this is because vaccine patents do not expire like drugs do, so each vaccine adopted for widespread use has the potential to make enormous, continuous profits for decades to come. Vaccine makers also enjoy a high degree of immunity against lawsuits—and in the case of pandemic vaccines, absolute immunity—so the financial liability when something goes wrong is very low, compared to drugs.
 
Does the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) cover influenza vaccine?


Yes. To be eligible for compensation, claims must be filed: within 3 years after the first symptom of the vaccine injury; or within 2 years of the vaccine-related death and not more than 4 years after the start of the first symptom of the vaccine-related injury from which the death occurred.
see
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/faq.html
 
...and more for you to consider.

Gerberding has a Long History of Disregard for Vaccine Safety

Joining a parade of other high-ranking government officials who pass through the revolving doors between government and Big Pharma, Gerberding left a trail of controversy behind her when she left the CDC. While a 2009 article by the Institute for Southern Studies lists a number of them2, I believe they left out the most important ones, namely her misinformation campaign about the pandemic swine flu vaccine, as well as her naive stance on vaccine safety issues in general.

The CDC disseminated extremely exaggerated data on the 2009 H1N1 "pandemic" and urged almost everyone in the U.S. to take the new, untested vaccines. When questions arose, they blocked CBS's requests for samples of the swine flu cases and added obstacles to getting information. Despite the many dangers that have since been linked to the hastily developed vaccine—including the confirmed link to narcolepsy—the H1N1 vaccine is now part and parcel of the "regular" seasonal flu vaccine, although most people are completely unaware of this fact. And the CDC is now, for the first time ever, urging the seasonal flu vaccine on everyone in the country, from six months' of age until death.

Even more disturbing, the CDC withheld data on miscarriages from the H1N1 vaccines under Gerberding's lead, while insisting that pregnant women be put first in line to receive it. This was a dramatic reversal of its own recommendations. More than 3,500 post-vaccination miscarriages may have simply been ignored by the CDC.

One of Merck's potentially most dangerous vaccines right now is Gardasil; a vaccine that so far has been linked to thousands of adverse events and at least 49 unexplained deaths. It's a situation that the FDA and CDC have repeatedly denied, even as the adverse reports mount.

Gerberding's 2004 report to Congress, 'Prevention of Genital Human Papillomavirus Infection'3 likely played a significant role in getting the controversial vaccine approved in the first place. Needless to say, the approval of this questionable vaccine guaranteed her future employer billions of dollars-worth of profits. Gerberding has also been a staunch defender of thimerosal, the mercury-based preservative used in many vaccines, and has consistently denied any links between vaccines and autism.

All in all, Gerberding has repeatedly demonstrated that safety is nowhere on her list of priorities or concerns when it comes to vaccines. It's easy to see why Merck would want her to head up their vaccine unit. For the rest of us, however, her blatant disregard for proven vaccine safety is bad news indeed.

Former NIH Director Now Heads Sanofi Research Labs

Another former government official who's switched sides is Elias Zerhouni, former director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH)—one of the world's foremost medical research centers, and an agency of the US Department of Health and Human Services. Zerhouni is now head of Sanofi-Aventis' research labs4. He also is a professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine; a member of the Board of Trustees at the Mayo Clinic; and is a senior fellow for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation's Global Health Program5.

As pointed out in a recent article by Forbes Magazine6, Zerhouni is no stranger to controversies over conflicts-of-interest.

In the fall of 2003, the NIH with Zerhouni at its head faced grave accusations when it came to light that hundreds of its scientists had financial ties to the medical and pharmaceutical industries. According to a 2004 article in the NIH Record7, over 100 scientists did not get approval for their industry activities, even though the rules were so loose virtually all requests to conduct outside work were approved by the agency, without any limits on compensation or hours worked for outside entities.

In one case, an academic scientist was found to have a financial interest in a therapy that ended up killing a patient. The case served as a potent warning of how dangerous such conflicts of interest can be. While Zerhouni managed to emerge from the 2003 debacle looking like a good crisis manager, the following paragraphs from the NIH Record8 are quite telling. Essentially, Zerhouni dissuaded Congress from doing the right thing, which is ban all outside activities of those working for the NIH, limiting the restrictions for conflicts of interest to upper level management only:

"[Zerhouni] disclosed that "initially, Congress truly wanted to ban [all outside activities], and the members of the committee have been very public about that...I was fortunate to be able to make contact with legislators and to help them understand what happened, how it happened, and why [a draconian response] might not be the right thing to do."

Zerhouni said that over the course of long discussion, a good consensus emerged that formed the basis of NIH's approach to the issue: stewards of public funds should never be vulnerable even to the perception that their activities could result in private gain. The top concern, he said, is, "How do you keep a true firewall and separation between the public trust — the money the public has given us in trust — and the activities of those who manage that resource?"

He doesn't think it was well appreciated outside of NIH that the agency "has a dual nature — number one, we are a granting agency, but number two, we are also one of the most advanced, most capable biomedical research institutions in the world.

So we're both sort of an academic, scientific research place, and yet next to that we're also a government agency with its own rules and regulations...I said, look, we need to build a firewall around those who have fiduciary responsibility relative to the government, and those who do not. And that's where we came up with these much more stringent rules for directors, deputy directors, and people who have those authorities, versus those who do not."
 
Info on autism/vaccine links and the compensation fund created to circumvent the court system...

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 99503.html

I can do this all day, just like you. It comes down to who you believe and who/what you trust (like I initially said)

If you don't' question the motives of multinational corporations, I'm not sure what I can (nicely) say.

It's not like we're talking about boat accessories here, these are substances going straight into your body.

If you want to be really open minded, research "stress vaccines" and how they have a shot that will relieve you of all your worries...literally.
 
CDC Director is an appointed by the US President

Before President Obama was sworn into Office, outgoing HHS Secretary Michael Leavitt asked Gerberding and several other senior officials from his team to submit their letters of resignation

Later the President appointed a new CDC Director

Biography of
Julie Louise Gerberding, M.D., M.P.H.

Julie Gerberding, MD, is President of Merck Vaccines. Dr. Gerberding led the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as director from 2002 to 2009. During her tenure at CDC, Dr. Gerberding led the agency during more than 40 emergency response initiatives for health crises including anthrax bioterrorism, food-borne disease outbreaks, and natural disasters, and advised governments around the world on urgent public health issues such as SARS, AIDS, and obesity. She is responsible for the commercialization of the current portfolio of vaccines, planning for the introduction of vaccines from the company's robust vaccine pipeline, and accelerating Merck's on-going efforts to broaden access to its vaccines in the developing world. Dr. Gerberding also collaborates with leaders of Merck Manufacturing Division and Merck Research Laboratories to manage the critical linkages between basic research, late-stage development and manufacturing to expand Merck's vaccine offerings throughout the world. She is a member of the Institute of Medicine and a fellow of the Infectious Diseases Society of America and the American College of Physicians, and is board certified in Internal Medicine and Infectious Diseases. She is also a Clinical Professor of Infectious Diseases at Emory University and an Adjunct Associate Professor of Medicine in Infectious Diseases at UCSF. Dr. Gerberding has received more than 50 awards and honors, including the United States Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) Distinguished Service Award for her leadership in responses to anthrax bioterrorism and the September 11, 2001 attacks. She was named to Forbes Magazine's 100 Most Powerful Women in the world in 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008 and was named to TIME Magazine's 100 Most Influential People in the World in 2004. She received her undergraduate degree and her M.D. from Case Western Reserve University. Her internship, residency, and clinical pharmacology training were all at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF), where she worked in a range of clinical, research and teaching roles prior to joining the CDC in 1998. Dr. Gerberding received her Masters of Public Health at the University of California, Berkeley
 
1800 hours and I still feel fine. Although my left shoulder is painful...but that's from a cortisone injection I had yesterday for chronic shoulder arthritis...Merry Christmas everyone! :xnaughty
 
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