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Hello C-Brats. I previously owned a 2001 22 foot cruiser. Sold it for a 26 foot north river offshore. Now I am back. Very excited that I just purchased 2012 22 footer. Boy am I excited. Talk about boat fever!

I have a few questions I was wondering if anyone had insight about.

- this new boat is a single engine set up. My old c-dory was twin engine. My question is, what size kicker to get for emergency use to get me to shore and to do a little trolling (coastal ocean boating)? Can I go less than an 8 HP? I am concerned about the weight on the transom on one side will create an unbalanced situation, so I would like to go as light as possible. a 6 HP weighs about half of a 9 HP, but not sure if a 6 HP would be enough.

- also, I am ordering a cantilevered bimini, similar to Brazos. My question is, what are the best dimensions, I told them 8 foot wide, to keep rain from dripping back into the cockpit, but I am concerned this may be too wide and wanted to see if there was any informed first hand knowledge out there on the best way to go for size. I am going 6 foot long to extend off the back of the cockpit for the same reason. My goal is to have a clear space to stand in the cockpit to fish, bbq, etc. without getting wet and without having the typical bimini with the supports off the gunnels getting in the way of fishing.

- Does anyone know where to get a cooler rack for the transom of the boat?

thanks!

Ben
 
Hi and Welcome back.

There is a ton of info on this site re Kickers, size, weight power etc. I put

" kicker AND size AND power "

into the C-BRAT search box and got a bunch of threads.

Suggestions for kicker moter for 23' Venture here

Repowering from twins to single and a kicker here

Click on the "here" and it will take you to the threads.

are just a couple of them for starters.

Have a fun time.

I'm a fan of twins, and that would have huge bearing on what I buy.

Harvey
SleepyC:moon

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Just out of curiosity, why did you sell the north river offshore? That looks like a heck of a boat. Was that the problem?

While you decide on the kicker, choose one with a light weight. I, unfortunately, ended up with a Honda kicker. The heaviest 9.9 around. It's been reliable though. Another brand should be as reliable but easier to mount.

Boris
 
The North River was a great boat. Fast, seaworthy, 55 degree deadrise, plow through 3 foot seas.

But, I had to own a diesel pickup to pull it. I have a half ton now and I am going back to the c-dory, as I don't want to have to buy another 3/4 ton just to tow the boat.

There are plusses and minuses to all of these boats. I am sure I will change to something else one day. The projects involved in setting up your own boat the way you like it is one of my favorite aspects of boating and after I have it set up the way I want, it is time to get another one and start over :)
 
I have a 6hp Tohatsu Kicker on my CD-22, and have been very happy with it for trolling or emergency use. It will push the boat at a top speed of 5 - 5.5 mph, which I hear is hull speed anyway. You can look at the imbedded album on my Kicker install, in my photo album. Colby
 
C-Dude":lyb5jnjo said:
Hello C-Brats. I previously owned a 2001 22 foot cruiser. Sold it for a 26 foot north river offshore. Now I am back. Very excited that I just purchased 2012 22 footer. Boy am I excited. Talk about boat fever!

I have a few questions I was wondering if anyone had insight about.

- this new boat is a single engine set up. My old c-dory was twin engine. My question is, what size kicker to get for emergency use to get me to shore and to do a little trolling (coastal ocean boating)? Can I go less than an 8 HP? I am concerned about the weight on the transom on one side will create an unbalanced situation, so I would like to go as light as possible. a 6 HP weighs about half of a 9 HP, but not sure if a 6 HP would be enough.

- also, I am ordering a cantilevered bimini, similar to Brazos. My question is, what are the best dimensions, I told them 8 foot wide, to keep rain from dripping back into the cockpit, but I am concerned this may be too wide and wanted to see if there was any informed first hand knowledge out there on the best way to go for size. I am going 6 foot long to extend off the back of the cockpit for the same reason. My goal is to have a clear space to stand in the cockpit to fish, bbq, etc. without getting wet and without having the typical bimini with the supports off the gunnels getting in the way of fishing.

- Does anyone know where to get a cooler rack for the transom of the boat?

thanks!

Ben
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I used a 5 hp Honda for 10 years on my 1991 22 Cruiser.
It was mounted directly to transom(Stb.)& tie bar for steering.

:thup :thup
 
There is a pretty good rationale for a few more hp with your kicker. Hull speed on the 22 is closer to about 8 mph and in an emergency you'd like that extra couple of MPH. Also, if your escape to safety is into the wind, then a 5 or 6 hp motor may only end up pushing you at a couple of MPH. A 9 HP will likely get you to safety at 7 or so MPH even against a pretty good headwind.

You are fighting three things in an emergency need to get to safe harbor, head winds, oncoming waves, and hull speed. A little more HP and a little more weight would be worth the investment for me to get some significant margin during rougher conditions which, of course, we all know is when we loose the main engine! Murphy's law number 1927.
 
There's no doubt a 5 or 6 hp kicker will push the boat. However, those single-cylinder kickers aren't nearly as smooth as a 9.9. I had a Yamaha 6 on my drift boat a few years ago, and it just didn't run nearly as smoothly as a twin cylinder motor. I put a 9.9 Suzuki on my 22 Cruiser last summer, and so far - so good. Runs well, pushes the boat fine, has fuel injection, and I don't notice the weight at all.
 
The hull speed is basically 1.34 x sq root waterline length. Waterline length on a C Dory 22 is no more than 20 feet, or 4.47 x 1.34 = 5.99 knots (round off to 6 knots). We did a lot of comparing several 22's on our recent cruise, and generally agreed that if we went over 5 knots we were pushing a lot more water and of course using a lot of HP. I have said this before, and I will say it again--that a 5 to 6 hp outboard with a big prop will push a C Dory 22 or 25, at an efficient hull speed. If there really is a storm, lets say even 30 knots, there will not be much difference between a 9 and 5 hp.

I would go for the lighter motor. We happen to use a 3.5 hp 2 stroke--it allows you to steer, and get across wind and down wind.--most likely to a safe place. A kicker's function is to get you to safety--that may not be necessarily "home".
 
Thank you. The top of the kicker mount is about 4 inches higher than the top of the transom. Any idea if I will need a long shaft or a shot shaft kicker?
 
Does the kicker bracket articulate and lower? Many do. Most get long shaft kickers. I use the short shaft dinghy motor, and it works--in forward. Not as efficient as the long shaft.
 
I'll second the 6hp Tohatsu. I don't have a kicker on my C-Dory, but I used to have a Catalina 22 with the 6hp Tohatsu sail pro version and it was a great motor on the Catalina.
 
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I'll second the 6hp Tohatsu. I don't have a kicker on my C-Dory, but I used to have a Catalina 22 with the 6hp Tohatsu sail pro version and it was a great motor on the Catalina.
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Two totally different boats, different bottoms and different work loads for the OB. I think the 6 Tohatsu would be good on the 22 CD though.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Two totally different boats, different bottoms and different work loads for the OB. I think the 6 Tohatsu would be good on the 22 CD though.
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True, but I have related that my father's sail boat was a 26 foot arc bottom hard chine boat very similar dimensions to the C Dory 25--It was driven by a large prop 5 hp for many years--and actually was slower with a 9.9 smaller prop engine...

The boat weighed more than than the C Dory 25, and had a fin keel, with more drag.

You are not going to realistically go more than 5 to 6 knots with small engines.
 
We use a shortshaft 2.5 on a similar bracket position (slightly higher than transom) and it works but not perfectly. We also use it for the dinghy so it is a compromise for us.

I would go with a longshaft 4-6hp unit for lightweight effectiveness. Or a twin cylinder 8-9 if you think you might run it at higher RPMs for long periods with regularity.

Greg
 
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