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My wife often recalls her three-month getaway on a sailboat in your part of the world back in the early 80s. Hopefully, we'll have our boat on the water this year and will visit.
I like to try to analyze terrestrial photos to determine where they are on the planet using Google Earth; your caption mentioned Sugar Island. Below are two images, one vertical and one oblique of what I think is the area with the docks you're standing on. I'm curious to know if I got it right. The street providing access to the docks is either Green Sky St. or Wigwaus St.
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I like to try to analyze terrestrial photos to determine where they are on the planet using Google Earth; your caption mentioned Sugar Island. Below are two images, one vertical and one oblique of what I think is the area with the docks you're standing on. I'm curious to know if I got it right. The street providing access to the docks is either Green Sky St. or Wigwaus St.
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Tom you are correct...think i am standing on the 13/14th dock from the right in the picture and that is Sugar Island ( USA ) to the South across the river. Directly behind the docks is Ben's Bait and Tackle..www.fishthegarden.com...and the address is 61 Wigwaus Street. For any hockey fans the first house to the right of the docks belongs to Ted Nolan , he used to be coach for the Buffalo Sabres and New York Islander i think. Google Earth is lots of fun, i used to do the same thing .
Tom on a different subject--in one of your posts you mentioned thinking on buying 24 gallon gunnel tanks. Did you ever buy and install them.If you did how did you secure/install them to the gunnels.
Thanks Tug
Tom on a different subject--in one of your posts you mentioned thinking on buying 24 gallon gunnel tanks. Did you ever buy and install them.If you did how did you secure/install them to the gunnels.
Thanks Tug
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Me too. Our nation has given short-shrift to non-defense-related mapping and imagery for decades; in my opinion. Squabbling between federal, state and local governments over cost-sharing has squandered great potential with what meager funds have been available.
I'd better stop with that...
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I'd better stop with that...
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Tug,
Nope, I haven't bought them yet. I made a mockup based on Moeller's shop drawings just to test things out. I'm planning on a gunwale about 10-inches wide to accommodate the tanks and below-gunwale storage lockers aft of the tanks and forward of the lazarettes; the gunwale would remain about 6-inches wide from the cabin aft for about 2-feet for entry/exit.
About mounting the tanks, I've read about it but haven't talked to Moeller as yet about how their mounting straps would work in this configuration. Sounds like a task for today. I am planning on glassing in a couple of two-inch half-round stringers to house electrical, propane (not together), steering and control cables, etc that will run from the cabin aft into the lazarettes. Below the tank, extra material will be added to the stringer to widen it a bit to provide some support for the tank and likely will be the bottom attachment surface for the straps. I've been thinking that at SS T-nut epoxied into the support surface might do the trick, but have to look into the details.
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Nope, I haven't bought them yet. I made a mockup based on Moeller's shop drawings just to test things out. I'm planning on a gunwale about 10-inches wide to accommodate the tanks and below-gunwale storage lockers aft of the tanks and forward of the lazarettes; the gunwale would remain about 6-inches wide from the cabin aft for about 2-feet for entry/exit.
About mounting the tanks, I've read about it but haven't talked to Moeller as yet about how their mounting straps would work in this configuration. Sounds like a task for today. I am planning on glassing in a couple of two-inch half-round stringers to house electrical, propane (not together), steering and control cables, etc that will run from the cabin aft into the lazarettes. Below the tank, extra material will be added to the stringer to widen it a bit to provide some support for the tank and likely will be the bottom attachment surface for the straps. I've been thinking that at SS T-nut epoxied into the support surface might do the trick, but have to look into the details.
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Tom ..thanks for the reply...i was looking at the tanks straps also and they didn't look to good/strong for gunnel support. Your right the best way would be to make something yourself that would secure the tanks. I e-mail Moeller about where i could buy them...( seeing i never receivered a reply from Oceanlink )and they told my that they can be bought at West Marine/Pro-Bass Shop also to name a few.They are not too expensive compared to having custom tanks made........do you have to hook-up the sender units of both tanks or can you visually see the level of the gas in the tanks.
I just used Google Earth to view the San Juan Islands and area...very beautifull. If i lived there i would cruise around there for weeks at a time or just live on the boat. ha!ha! Tug
I just used Google Earth to view the San Juan Islands and area...very beautifull. If i lived there i would cruise around there for weeks at a time or just live on the boat. ha!ha! Tug
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Larry,
In the photo it looks like Greg used the 'lapstrake' indent in the hull as a support for the tank. I remember seeing some photos of him fashioning his custom SS straps for the tanks, but I don't remember how he attached them at the bottom. I seem to remember carriage bolts through the rubrail, but how was the bottom attached?
Something Moeller told me about the non-red tanks was that they are to be protected from sunlight; something about causing the tank to heat up and lose fuel through evaporation if I remember right. I think the red coloring filters out the infrared end of the spectrum keeping the tank cooler for above-deck use. I plan on lightweight fiberglass panels to cover the tank, but with windows on the front end to allow me to look back into the cockpit and see fuel levels when the gauge craps out.
I'm currently waiting on an email from Moeller with a scan of the installation instructions for the 24-gallon saddle tanks. Once I get them, I'll post them here and at smallboattalk.
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In the photo it looks like Greg used the 'lapstrake' indent in the hull as a support for the tank. I remember seeing some photos of him fashioning his custom SS straps for the tanks, but I don't remember how he attached them at the bottom. I seem to remember carriage bolts through the rubrail, but how was the bottom attached?
Something Moeller told me about the non-red tanks was that they are to be protected from sunlight; something about causing the tank to heat up and lose fuel through evaporation if I remember right. I think the red coloring filters out the infrared end of the spectrum keeping the tank cooler for above-deck use. I plan on lightweight fiberglass panels to cover the tank, but with windows on the front end to allow me to look back into the cockpit and see fuel levels when the gauge craps out.
I'm currently waiting on an email from Moeller with a scan of the installation instructions for the 24-gallon saddle tanks. Once I get them, I'll post them here and at smallboattalk.
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OK, Moeller sent me the standard PDF that is on their Web site. I called back and was told 'well, yeah, those instructions don't actually pertain to the saddle tanks'. I was told that they provide a separate part (#035711-10) that are nylon webbing straps for the saddle tanks and that there are no specific instructions for installing the saddle tanks other than 'do it in the normal manner'. Another question for the marine surveyor I've tasked to help me plan out these kind of details....
It'd be a bummer to hit a nice wave and find the fuel tanks bouncing around the cockpit, spewing fuel...
Details, details...
If anyone has some bullet-proof guidance, I'd love to hear it. The more sources of info the better.
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It'd be a bummer to hit a nice wave and find the fuel tanks bouncing around the cockpit, spewing fuel...
Details, details...
If anyone has some bullet-proof guidance, I'd love to hear it. The more sources of info the better.
T
Great Catch!
Tom....still need to make it up your way and see your project.
Byrdman
http://www.heartland246.com/node/95
Tom....still need to make it up your way and see your project.
Byrdman
http://www.heartland246.com/node/95
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Not a lot to show just now, Patrick. It hasn't really changed since Jeff and Roger stopped by last fall. I'm finishing up some prerequisite projects that should be finished in the next week or so. I'm hoping that I will have the hull glassed by the end of March.
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Larry good information and great album.Enjoyed the tour of SE Alaska and BC, some beautiful scenery there. I noticed that one of your pictures of the Nancy H. shows what appears to be a rope locker on the bow. That would be an ideal addition if you didn't have a Windlass.I am kinda interested in that idea, what is that box made of and how did you secure it to the bow deck. Thanks Tug
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I like the general approach Greg took to mounting his tanks; that being resting the edge of the tank on a supporting lip and using SS bands to hold the tank in place. I'm not sure, however, that I'd put those lower holes through the hull to mount 150 lbs. of gasoline and tank, but I don't have the practical experience with boats Greg does.
I need to get a handle on some of the engineering considerations like how much does 150 lbs. weigh when the boat comes down hard off a wave (or an I-75 pothole) and how much weight will an epoxied T-nut hold when embedded in the gunwale core and stringer support.
Have I managed to take Tug's original post with that beautiful fish and that satisfied look on his face into a dark and technical realm??? I think so...
Sorry.
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I need to get a handle on some of the engineering considerations like how much does 150 lbs. weigh when the boat comes down hard off a wave (or an I-75 pothole) and how much weight will an epoxied T-nut hold when embedded in the gunwale core and stringer support.
Have I managed to take Tug's original post with that beautiful fish and that satisfied look on his face into a dark and technical realm??? I think so...
Sorry.
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