More pondering on the tank issue. (Yes, I do have a little too much time on my hands, today.) A couple of months ago, when I first started considering replacing my 18 gallon crud catchers. I'd read about Tyboo getting twin 24 gallon tanks and being really satisfied with the process. Then I began hearing--here, or on C-Dogs, about leaky 24 gallon tanks, and that C-Dory was in the midst of trying to solve that issue. As part of the apparent fix, I heard that they were gonna get 25 gallon tanks from another dealer and discontinue the 24 gallon tanks. When I called C-Dory, they seemed a bit mysterious about what the story was, and weren't sure when 25 gallon tanks would be available. That was a couple of months ago. Then I got a message back from the factory, indicating that I could order 20 gal. tanks, with the fixings I needed to put them in. This week, I called, and got a difinitive (apparently) answer that I could only get 20 gallon tanks, and that no, they didn't plan to come out with bigger tanks any time soon. I went ahead and ordered the new tanks, but would sorely be pressed if I drop money for new tanks, only to get 4 more gallons capacity, and then find out I could get 48 or 50 gallon tanks by waiting a bit. Does anyone have the inside scoop on what's going on--or in the alternative, does anyone know of an easy way to get 48-50 gallon capacity well-made tanks that work well in a 1999-vintage CD 22?
I'd Like Bigger Tanks
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Anita Marie
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Bearh, I took delivery of my boat last September and was promised 25 gallon tanks then. Everytime I talk with someone from the factory they have some story why they don't have them yet. I will just wait, not sure what to suggest but do not hold your breath on the 25 gallon tanks.
Mighty Bite
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I just got a e-mail response from Jeff Messmer at C-Dory on the large cap fuel tanks for the 22' CD, and I quote:
"We are not having the larger tanks built due to some manufacturing issues. We would love to have a larger tank, however at this time we have put that on hold. 20 will have to do for a while."
That apparently puts this issue to bed for the foreseeable future at least.
NOW! This "IS A BIG DEAL" in the sense that my query to him was today at 2:17PM and his reply was today at 3:22PM. Thats a pretty prompt and refreshing turnaround.
Jeff would be the guy to direct your e-mail to at C-Dory.
"We are not having the larger tanks built due to some manufacturing issues. We would love to have a larger tank, however at this time we have put that on hold. 20 will have to do for a while."
That apparently puts this issue to bed for the foreseeable future at least.
NOW! This "IS A BIG DEAL" in the sense that my query to him was today at 2:17PM and his reply was today at 3:22PM. Thats a pretty prompt and refreshing turnaround.
Jeff would be the guy to direct your e-mail to at C-Dory.
Mighty Bite
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The aluminum "cross body" tank used to be a popular option on the 22' CD
several years ago, then all of a sudden Mark Toland dropped them. He told me that they just got too spendy. The supplier bumped the cost up quite a bit. They were very close to 50 gal., runs in my mind a shade over.
several years ago, then all of a sudden Mark Toland dropped them. He told me that they just got too spendy. The supplier bumped the cost up quite a bit. They were very close to 50 gal., runs in my mind a shade over.
Folks, there is a place here in Maryland named Quantum and they specialize in gas tanks. I don't know anything more than what I just said however, they have a facility not far from my house. If anyone wants me to look into it and get some preliminary information as to their stock tanks, custom manufacturing capability, and contact info I'd be more than happy to do it. Butch
Les Lampman
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Hi All,
Ok, a few thoughts...
I'd prefer to avoid a "cross body" tank; it's sure nice to have some room between the tanks for access to an aft bilge pump and the hull plug; not to mention the space to get a few more items out of the way.
It doesn't seem necessary to go all the way across to get sufficient capacity unless one uses a rectangular tank which loses the volume at the outboard ends where the hull slopes.
I wouldn't want to push the capacity (in the stern) much higher than 50-gallons as the weight starts to become as issue; especially for 4-stroke powered boats with kickers (probably also four strokes). This isn't necessarily from a safety standpoint (the boat can handle the weight) but it sure starts to affect the balance of the boat and the ride characteristics.
I'd really like to see an option for side saddle tanks; they'd mount under the side decks and could be just aft of the cabin bulkhead on the CD22 putting the extra weight farther forward. They'd have about 20-gallons of capacity each. Tempo makes tanks that are very close to the wedge shape that would be necessary. Even with 'standard' 20-gallon aft tanks total capacity could reach 80-gallons with the 'wing' tanks.
Another option is to figure out just how many of the sets of 25-gallon tanks a number of folks might want and approach someone like Inca Molded Products and see what rotationally molded tanks would cost and in what quantities. I know these tanks work; they've been used in Arima boats for years and years...including the big 106-gallon model in the Arima 22.
Ok, a few thoughts...
I'd prefer to avoid a "cross body" tank; it's sure nice to have some room between the tanks for access to an aft bilge pump and the hull plug; not to mention the space to get a few more items out of the way.
It doesn't seem necessary to go all the way across to get sufficient capacity unless one uses a rectangular tank which loses the volume at the outboard ends where the hull slopes.
I wouldn't want to push the capacity (in the stern) much higher than 50-gallons as the weight starts to become as issue; especially for 4-stroke powered boats with kickers (probably also four strokes). This isn't necessarily from a safety standpoint (the boat can handle the weight) but it sure starts to affect the balance of the boat and the ride characteristics.
I'd really like to see an option for side saddle tanks; they'd mount under the side decks and could be just aft of the cabin bulkhead on the CD22 putting the extra weight farther forward. They'd have about 20-gallons of capacity each. Tempo makes tanks that are very close to the wedge shape that would be necessary. Even with 'standard' 20-gallon aft tanks total capacity could reach 80-gallons with the 'wing' tanks.
Another option is to figure out just how many of the sets of 25-gallon tanks a number of folks might want and approach someone like Inca Molded Products and see what rotationally molded tanks would cost and in what quantities. I know these tanks work; they've been used in Arima boats for years and years...including the big 106-gallon model in the Arima 22.
Les Lampman
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Hi bearh,
If you switch to the new 20-gallon CD22 tanks you're going to get more than you think as compared to your older 18-gallon tanks. I'm assuming you have the grey rectangular Moeller tanks...they were, of course, mounted directly to the deck and therefor follow its slope and their fuel pick ups are mounted on the outboard end. The result of this is that the usable fuel is quite a bit less than the 36-gallons total in the tanks.
On new 20-gallons tanks the bottoms are sloped to follow the hull contour (the top is level) but the pick up's are at the inboard ends where the fuel runs 'to' them rather than 'away' as in the old Moeller tanks.
The following is not set in stone and YMMV!!! When I fill a new set of "20-gallon" tanks I usually get about 22-gallons in each. I believe that the usable fuel is close to the 20-gallon mark. If this is the case then the difference in usable fuel from the old tanks to the new is pretty substantial (in the range of 8 to 10 gallons). Can some one chime in here (with a newer boat) and say how many gallons it's taking to fill an emptied tank?
If you switch to the new 20-gallon CD22 tanks you're going to get more than you think as compared to your older 18-gallon tanks. I'm assuming you have the grey rectangular Moeller tanks...they were, of course, mounted directly to the deck and therefor follow its slope and their fuel pick ups are mounted on the outboard end. The result of this is that the usable fuel is quite a bit less than the 36-gallons total in the tanks.
On new 20-gallons tanks the bottoms are sloped to follow the hull contour (the top is level) but the pick up's are at the inboard ends where the fuel runs 'to' them rather than 'away' as in the old Moeller tanks.
The following is not set in stone and YMMV!!! When I fill a new set of "20-gallon" tanks I usually get about 22-gallons in each. I believe that the usable fuel is close to the 20-gallon mark. If this is the case then the difference in usable fuel from the old tanks to the new is pretty substantial (in the range of 8 to 10 gallons). Can some one chime in here (with a newer boat) and say how many gallons it's taking to fill an emptied tank?
Les Lampman
New member
Hi All,
Ok, a few thoughts...
I'd prefer to avoid a "cross body" tank; it's sure nice to have some room between the tanks for access to an aft bilge pump and the hull plug; not to mention the space to get a few more items out of the way.
It doesn't seem necessary to go all the way across to get sufficient capacity unless one uses a rectangular tank which loses the volume at the outboard ends where the hull slopes.
I wouldn't want to push the capacity (in the stern) much higher than 50-gallons as the weight starts to become as issue; especially for 4-stroke powered boats with kickers (probably also four strokes). This isn't necessarily from a safety standpoint (the boat can handle the weight) but it sure starts to affect the balance of the boat and the ride characteristics.
I'd really like to see an option for side saddle tanks; they'd mount under the side decks and could be just aft of the cabin bulkhead on the CD22 putting the extra weight farther forward. They'd have about 20-gallons of capacity each. Tempo makes tanks that are very close to the wedge shape that would be necessary. Even with 'standard' 2-gallon aft tanks total capacity could reach 80-gallons with the 'wing' tanks.
Another option is to figure out just how many of the sets of 25-gallon tanks a number of folks might want and approach someone like Inca Molded Products and see what rotationally molded tanks would cost and in what quantities. I know these tanks work; they've been used in Arima boats for years and years...including the big 106-gallon model in the Arima 22.
Ok, a few thoughts...
I'd prefer to avoid a "cross body" tank; it's sure nice to have some room between the tanks for access to an aft bilge pump and the hull plug; not to mention the space to get a few more items out of the way.
It doesn't seem necessary to go all the way across to get sufficient capacity unless one uses a rectangular tank which loses the volume at the outboard ends where the hull slopes.
I wouldn't want to push the capacity (in the stern) much higher than 50-gallons as the weight starts to become as issue; especially for 4-stroke powered boats with kickers (probably also four strokes). This isn't necessarily from a safety standpoint (the boat can handle the weight) but it sure starts to affect the balance of the boat and the ride characteristics.
I'd really like to see an option for side saddle tanks; they'd mount under the side decks and could be just aft of the cabin bulkhead on the CD22 putting the extra weight farther forward. They'd have about 20-gallons of capacity each. Tempo makes tanks that are very close to the wedge shape that would be necessary. Even with 'standard' 2-gallon aft tanks total capacity could reach 80-gallons with the 'wing' tanks.
Another option is to figure out just how many of the sets of 25-gallon tanks a number of folks might want and approach someone like Inca Molded Products and see what rotationally molded tanks would cost and in what quantities. I know these tanks work; they've been used in Arima boats for years and years...including the big 106-gallon model in the Arima 22.
Pat Anderson
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I think when our tanks on Daydream (2003 22' Cruiser) are empty, it takes between 22 and 23 gallons to fill each one. However, these days, I try to keep both tanks topped off after every cruise, with Stabil always added, so I haven't filled a completely empty tank for quite a while - but that is what I remember. I also think my tanks were manufactured by a dyslexic - the raised numbers, which are barely visible, are reversed - the "10" mark reads "01." Of course, I can barely shave using a mirror and can't use scissors, so my markings would probably have come out from the top down instead of bottom up, as well as being reversed...
Les Lampman":2uq6xu50 said:
Mighty Bite
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Good thought on the saddle tanks, Les. Bringing the weight forward would be a plus and there is a natural spot for them under the side shelves in the cockpit.
The saddle tanks like the Tempo are used a lot up here, mostly in riverboats, but now that you brought it up, I recall seeing a pair of saddle tanks in a C-Dory Angler quite a few years ago. Like most things, I forgot it until you brought it up.
I went to google and looked for rotationally molded tanks and brought up Inca immediately. It looks like that might be a great option and have some advantages over the Tempo. It would be interesting to see how many people were interested in bumping their fuel cap up and I'm sure the numbers would dictate the practicality of Inca doing it, and we being able to afford it, hmmmmm, that's the same thing, isn't it.
You're exactly right about the advantage of having that space between the current fuel tanks available and accessible.
Only 0 degrees this morning. I can almost "hear" spring coming!
The saddle tanks like the Tempo are used a lot up here, mostly in riverboats, but now that you brought it up, I recall seeing a pair of saddle tanks in a C-Dory Angler quite a few years ago. Like most things, I forgot it until you brought it up.
I went to google and looked for rotationally molded tanks and brought up Inca immediately. It looks like that might be a great option and have some advantages over the Tempo. It would be interesting to see how many people were interested in bumping their fuel cap up and I'm sure the numbers would dictate the practicality of Inca doing it, and we being able to afford it, hmmmmm, that's the same thing, isn't it.
You're exactly right about the advantage of having that space between the current fuel tanks available and accessible.
Only 0 degrees this morning. I can almost "hear" spring coming!
Snoopy-C has the old grey tanks, and I'd like to get some additional capacity also. I squeeze a 2 1/2 gal tank between the two, but wouldn't want to loose the access to the drain hole, and where I placed the additional bilge pump which cleans the cockpit much better than the bulkhead pump. As soon as I start underway, the boat nose up tilt of the boat completely drains the cockpit with the rear pump. I believe that the 20 gal tanks also provide more space between them than the 18's. The saddle tank idea sounds good. If a group pursues finding replacement options, and thus reduced costs for a retrofit, I'd be interested. Seems like the20 gal retros were about $500, if I'm not mistaken. Seems like that is with no fuel gages. Comments, please. Ron, aka "digger".
Bearh -
You did just fine getting the twin 20's. That's 10 gallons more total useable gas, and 6 gallons less crud and grunge capacity. The first time I took my original 18's out to clean them, the stuff from the lower inside came out in globs.
One advantage - and some folks would consider it a big advantage - is the extra room between the 20 gallon tanks compared to the mythical 24 gallon jobs that I put in the TyBoo22. Before I ordered mine, I asked B~C to measure the distance betwixt the tanks in his 22. He said, and B~C usually doesn't fib, that the space was 27 1/2". When I got my larger tanks in, the space between was 18 1/8".
You will like everything about the tank upgrade. No more fuel gauge and troublesome senders. You can tell at a glance how much gas you have left. You can also watch the level come up when refilling, and not have to wait for the first burp out of the vent to know when to stop with the nozzel. Also, the new ones are not ugly. And, you should get the nifty starboard boards to cover the face of them. Not only all that, but the suction hose is at the downhill side of the tanks, and you won't get the water accumulation in the bottom. What little water does get into the gas will come out first thing and be trapped by your filtering system, rather than build up until there is enough to clog the system all at once should it slosh over to the pickup screen (never had that happen, but often worried about it.).
There is a good chance that when you get the screws for the original clamps out of the floor, you will find that water has gotten into the core. No big deal, but be sure and dry it as good as you can and then seal the holes tight with some of that fancy epoxy stuff. I used a product called Git Rot to fill the holes in my floor, and it worked real good. There are other similar products around, and they all cost almost as much as the new tanks did.
Keep on with the progress reports.
You did just fine getting the twin 20's. That's 10 gallons more total useable gas, and 6 gallons less crud and grunge capacity. The first time I took my original 18's out to clean them, the stuff from the lower inside came out in globs.
One advantage - and some folks would consider it a big advantage - is the extra room between the 20 gallon tanks compared to the mythical 24 gallon jobs that I put in the TyBoo22. Before I ordered mine, I asked B~C to measure the distance betwixt the tanks in his 22. He said, and B~C usually doesn't fib, that the space was 27 1/2". When I got my larger tanks in, the space between was 18 1/8".
You will like everything about the tank upgrade. No more fuel gauge and troublesome senders. You can tell at a glance how much gas you have left. You can also watch the level come up when refilling, and not have to wait for the first burp out of the vent to know when to stop with the nozzel. Also, the new ones are not ugly. And, you should get the nifty starboard boards to cover the face of them. Not only all that, but the suction hose is at the downhill side of the tanks, and you won't get the water accumulation in the bottom. What little water does get into the gas will come out first thing and be trapped by your filtering system, rather than build up until there is enough to clog the system all at once should it slosh over to the pickup screen (never had that happen, but often worried about it.).
There is a good chance that when you get the screws for the original clamps out of the floor, you will find that water has gotten into the core. No big deal, but be sure and dry it as good as you can and then seal the holes tight with some of that fancy epoxy stuff. I used a product called Git Rot to fill the holes in my floor, and it worked real good. There are other similar products around, and they all cost almost as much as the new tanks did.
Keep on with the progress reports.
Pat Anderson":2mkuacfb said:
Pat, up near where you live there is a gentleman who is wise beyond his years, which makes him pretty damn wise because he just had his 84th birthday, who had some advice over to the original C-Brat site about occasionally running your tanks empty.
Instead of sending you off on a link chase, I'll just quote him here:
Now I ain't saying you're doing wrong, but I ain't gonna argue with St. Sawdust, neither! He was really serious about it, too. Even though he knew that Red Fox might ban him for syaing "crap", he said what he felt because he felt it so strongly.
My 22 CD is powered with a 2 stroke Yamaha 90 together with a 4 stroke Yamaha 9.9 for trolling. I have two 18 gal tanks. I also have a 19 gal live bait tank which I use occasionally. I position the bait tank against the cabin bulkhead with the cabin door held open. I fish in the ocean occasionally and this is where I mostly use live bait. With the trolling motor on the transom and the bait tank functioning, I get water slopping into the motor well. I did that just once, and since then I've removed the trolling motor. I find boat handling in the ocean much improved while using the bait tank without the trolling motor. If I were to go very far offshore, I'd take fuel in portable containers that I could position so as to balance the boat. That's just my two cents.
After one more season, I'll probably go with a single 4 stroke weighing less than 300 lbs and may go to smaller tanks. Personally, I prefer to balance the boat out and keep my options open when it gets UGLY out there.
Also, I've had two occasions, I've had to have old gas pumped out of my tanks (36 gal) and replaced with fresh fuel. Old gas can cause engine damage.
Bill
After one more season, I'll probably go with a single 4 stroke weighing less than 300 lbs and may go to smaller tanks. Personally, I prefer to balance the boat out and keep my options open when it gets UGLY out there.
Also, I've had two occasions, I've had to have old gas pumped out of my tanks (36 gal) and replaced with fresh fuel. Old gas can cause engine damage.
Bill
Coastie Dory
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Hi all,
I just got finished getting our stock 22 ready for water demos. When I started adding gas to the tanks I stopped at about one gallon. Just for fun I syphoned out the fuel I just put in through the fuel supply line. There is maybe a quart or two of fuel left behind when the pick up sucks air. I have no doubt there is at least 20 gallons of useable fuel in each tank. Our boat was supposed to get the 24 gallon tanks installed and I was told that because of supplier issues the larger tanks were on indefinite hold.
I agree with Les on the athwartships tank thoughts. Can't think of anything to add.
Best wishes, Randy.
I just got finished getting our stock 22 ready for water demos. When I started adding gas to the tanks I stopped at about one gallon. Just for fun I syphoned out the fuel I just put in through the fuel supply line. There is maybe a quart or two of fuel left behind when the pick up sucks air. I have no doubt there is at least 20 gallons of useable fuel in each tank. Our boat was supposed to get the 24 gallon tanks installed and I was told that because of supplier issues the larger tanks were on indefinite hold.
I agree with Les on the athwartships tank thoughts. Can't think of anything to add.
Best wishes, Randy.
This topic has me baffled a bit. Although I've read over the past several years about how many C-Dory owners have had problems with water and crud collecting in the bottoms of the old 18 gallon tanks, and how the tanks seem to leave several gallons down out of reach, reducing their capacity significantly, I've not experienced either problem.
I had all the hoses- intake, vent, and supply- replaced when I bought my "87 used in "98, and have never experienced either problem. I ran one dry purposely in 2002 at the last C-Dog's get-together here at Shasta Lake, and it took 17.7 gallons to refill it at the pump. My guess is that the service on the hoses included purging the tanks and that the pick-up tubes were either replaced and/or lengthened, or perhaps just set up differently as my boat was one of the very first of the new style Cruisers (hull lay up date: Jan. 7, "87.
Either way, I've been fortunate to not experience either problem, so I guess I should be happy for the status quo and practice the proverbial "Don't Mess with Success" Doctrine.
I have a new Racor fuel filter system with two inlets and two outlets waiting to be installed when I replace my old 90 hp Johnson 2-cycle with a new 4-cycle fuel-injected motor, but until then, I'm just running the gas straight into the engine(s), without any apparent problems. Joe.
I had all the hoses- intake, vent, and supply- replaced when I bought my "87 used in "98, and have never experienced either problem. I ran one dry purposely in 2002 at the last C-Dog's get-together here at Shasta Lake, and it took 17.7 gallons to refill it at the pump. My guess is that the service on the hoses included purging the tanks and that the pick-up tubes were either replaced and/or lengthened, or perhaps just set up differently as my boat was one of the very first of the new style Cruisers (hull lay up date: Jan. 7, "87.
Either way, I've been fortunate to not experience either problem, so I guess I should be happy for the status quo and practice the proverbial "Don't Mess with Success" Doctrine.
I have a new Racor fuel filter system with two inlets and two outlets waiting to be installed when I replace my old 90 hp Johnson 2-cycle with a new 4-cycle fuel-injected motor, but until then, I'm just running the gas straight into the engine(s), without any apparent problems. Joe.
Les, Tyboo, et al.,
As I'm sitting here, stewing and pondering on it all, with my 18 gallon Moeller tanks sitting in the shed, and my newly tuned and filtered boat sitting on the hard tankless, and my 20 gallon tanks ordered from C-Dory but apparently not to be seen for weeks to come, and custom tanks costing on the high side of $750, I've come up with some subsidiary questions--
1. If the pickup location (outboard end) of the 18 gallon tanks was the problem, why not switch the tanks end-for end, and run longer hoses down to the fill, vent, and outlet ports, which would then be located more amidships?
2. Are people using the Tempo plastic p-traps available in the West Marine catalogue to prevent backflow of water through the vents to the tanks, or the anti-siphon vents also advertised there? Or something else?
3. Has anyone used the Tempo or Todd under-deck tanks advertised in West Marine (They have side-saddle tanks, as Les has noted--anybody tried them?).
4. How exactly, do the pickups work in these (18-gal) tanks--are they simply a tube from the bottom of the tank to the outlet fitting at the top of the tank, or what? Could they be removed and extended, bent, directed to the lowest point, whatever is necessary?
5. When I reconnect hoses to tank fittings, would it be good sportsmanship to use a little oil or Vaseline to get 'em on easier, or is there something bad that might happen if I do?
Color me cheap, functionally C-Doryless, and hankering to get back on the water.
As I'm sitting here, stewing and pondering on it all, with my 18 gallon Moeller tanks sitting in the shed, and my newly tuned and filtered boat sitting on the hard tankless, and my 20 gallon tanks ordered from C-Dory but apparently not to be seen for weeks to come, and custom tanks costing on the high side of $750, I've come up with some subsidiary questions--
1. If the pickup location (outboard end) of the 18 gallon tanks was the problem, why not switch the tanks end-for end, and run longer hoses down to the fill, vent, and outlet ports, which would then be located more amidships?
2. Are people using the Tempo plastic p-traps available in the West Marine catalogue to prevent backflow of water through the vents to the tanks, or the anti-siphon vents also advertised there? Or something else?
3. Has anyone used the Tempo or Todd under-deck tanks advertised in West Marine (They have side-saddle tanks, as Les has noted--anybody tried them?).
4. How exactly, do the pickups work in these (18-gal) tanks--are they simply a tube from the bottom of the tank to the outlet fitting at the top of the tank, or what? Could they be removed and extended, bent, directed to the lowest point, whatever is necessary?
5. When I reconnect hoses to tank fittings, would it be good sportsmanship to use a little oil or Vaseline to get 'em on easier, or is there something bad that might happen if I do?
Color me cheap, functionally C-Doryless, and hankering to get back on the water.
Bearh,
I had my gas tanks custom made by I.M.C.O. in 1991. They are 25 gals each. The tanks are still in good condition. This company can make any size or shape. I have no idea about prices, but here is a link to their web site. The company is located in southern California.
http://www.imcomarine.com/pages/tanks.html
I had my gas tanks custom made by I.M.C.O. in 1991. They are 25 gals each. The tanks are still in good condition. This company can make any size or shape. I have no idea about prices, but here is a link to their web site. The company is located in southern California.
http://www.imcomarine.com/pages/tanks.html