is the 22' right for me?

Good comments...agree about anchor pipe...
Does the rest of the list seem sensible? My boating other half always worries that i overdo it...

Any comment on Honda 90 vs Honda 75? Remember I am coming from a 40 ft. trawler with a flank speed of 9 kts..and cruise of 7 and a half.

tom
 
Tom,

Here's my $.02.

I have a 22 cruiser with a 70 HP Evinrude 2-stroke. 70 HP IS NOT ENOUGH!! If you always use the boat empty with only yourself it would be OK, but with passengers, gear, food, iced coolers, etc. you will want the extra HP.

Also, a 90HP running at part throttle will last longer than a 75HP running wide open.
 
4I went with a 75 as my Honda of choice, figuring I'd seldom want the relatively small extra oomph, and I'd always want the best possible fuel consumption figures at every range, however small the difference. So far, no regrets, but I've never been on a CD 22 with a 90 on it to compare how much oomph difference it does make. With my 75, running a 4-blade prop, I top out at around 5200 rpm with one person, full water, and full tanks on smooth water, and my GPS reads about 28.1 mph. I seldom run above 4200-4300 rpm in the real cruising world of the Chesapeake, which is about 18 mph. Add a slight, typical Chesapeake chop, and I trim the bow down, and run at 3800-4000 rpm, about 13-15 mph. On a typical cruising day that isn't particularly blowy or choppy, but isnt dead calm and glassy, we comfortably run 80 miles or so, say from just south of Annapolis to Reedville, Va, in around 6 hours. For an old sailor, that's plenty quick. Hope that helps a bit. I am curious about whether there's much difference in fuel consumption between a 75 and a 90--shouldn't be much. They're both pretty much the same engine.
 
Agree with Sneaks - don't need the anchor pipe with a windlass and I'd suggest skipping the compass totally. In the electronic age, a compass is within the GPS. We carry a small handheld "backpacking" compass for our backup, as well as a handheld Garmin E-Trek GPS to back-up the 2006. So, save the dashboard space and forget the mounted compass, we'd suggest. I know - it's hard for an ol' sailor to give up his compass and it took us awhile to decide to and never have needed it.
Reconsider the floorboards - those without camper backs need them to keep their feet dry, but we have dry carpeting in the cockpit virtually all the time under the camper back and it sure is easier on the bare feet.
 
bearh I too went with the 75 and though I have few hours in a C-22, the guy who introduced me to the C-22 (Chris, Rana Verde) has more than enough hours to be an authority on loaded C-Dorys. His choice was a single 75.

I think El and Bill with twin 40's can comment on whether he could keep up with them on their Alaskan saga. Interestingly, I heard both boats got within 1/10th gph of each other on that cruise.

My Yamaha 75 is the new 2005 EFI engine. With full tanks, low engine hours and about 400 lbs worth of people weight, I was able to run WOT 31 mph in glassy conditions on Mission Bay here in San Diego. One huge benefit of 4 strokes vs 2 strokes is low end torque, which means getting up on plane much quicker, all else being equal. The cost of a 90 vs a 75 wasn't really a factor. Yamaha uses the same engine for both versions anyway and I figure a detuned engine would last longer. Especially since I have no interest in running WOT unless I forgot the beer.

As for single engine vs duals, I've had duals and would never turn them down if buying used, but unless I had another inboard boat, a single will do. Kicker? If I went to Baja or in Mexican waters south of Ensenada I'd get one to appease "Captain Panic" the spousal unit. Otherwise a spare prop and towing insurance suffices.

The only unavailable "Wish List" item would be dual controls in the cockpit like I've seen on some Parkers. Maybe with a removable wheel.
 
Bearh,
Hi I have a 2000 22 crusier with a honda 75 on it. When I bought it I talked to Mark his take on it was if I was going to be alone or with only just two people on board that the 75 was plenty of power. He said that I would only get a couple of miles more at full throttle with the 90 and just use more gas. I have almost 1600 hours on it now and no problems , it will just make 30 miles per on flat water with just me on board and 3/4 full tanks at 5400 rpm. The 90 is a souped up 75 but that is what the comerials use an they run the stuffings out of them and have no problems with them.
Richard
 
My vote?
A Johnson (Suzuki) 90, with a Honda 9.9 kicker. 'course I'm a little biased since that's how we outfitted TwoLuckyFish.

I love the 4 cycle Johnson -it's gotta enough kick to drive the C-22 and has EFI so it starts running right away - no warm up. Can troll slowly when needed, and is quiet... The extra generator output is probably a good thing as well

I like the Honda a little - sure wish a Johnson had fit. We have it is chained to the Johnson and the self steering when needed. Not so happy with carborated engines since the cold water it seems to take forever to start running smoothly.

If you are into fishing, it has to be the way to go. Self steering with the remote control (steering only) handles well, and you can handle speed when fishing in the cockpit with the Honda throttle to slow/stop when fighting the big 'ems

Good luck!
 
terraplane":3megxugo said:
Ok,


one elec. wiper

forward passenger seat


what is a "barber chair"...?


tom, "terraplane'
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Tom, get two electric wipers! If you don't, who ever is sitting in the passenger seat is liable to boot you off of the helm seat and let you jump up and down to manually wipe the windshield on the side without the electric wiper :wink . Additionally, when the waves are splashing on the other side, you'll enjoy being able to look out of that window as well.

"forward passenger seat" and "Barber Chair" is the same. As to why it is "officially" called the "Barber Chair".....Mike Barber (skipper of "Tyboo") and one of the founders of the C-Brat Site invented and developed the first "forward facing seat" on his 22' C-Dory". Had he not come up with it, a lot of us C-Brats would still be lookin' at "where we've been instead of where we're going!" :roll:
 
Since my boating experience has been all with inboard gas and diesels,..(ford flat heads, Chevys, Oldmobile , and for last nine years a 120 hp Ford Leyman six cylinder)......i wonder about noise levels of various outboards...which would be the quietest at planing speeds.
I am still pondering the 75 vs 90 issue, and wonder if noise level is any different.

This site is excellent for someone like me...enables me to gather insights and solid information , and respond to it. My sense of what boat i want is much more informed now. Thanks.
 
I absolutly LOVE my Suzuki 90. Now I can talk on the cell phone without slowing down and hold a conversation without shouting, even with the door open. Love it.
 
terraplane":z6bpmtgx said:
wonder about noise levels of various outboards...which would be the quietest at planing speeds.
I am still pondering the 75 vs 90 issue, and wonder if noise level is any different.
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No problem of noise level with the 4 strokes on the market that I've experienced. Although not a "75" or "90"..........I had a Honda 50 on my 16' C-Dory and it purred like a kitten. Currently I have twin Johnson 50's on my 22" C-Dory and it they purr like two kittens. At work we have a Yamaha 225 on our Fire/Rescue boat and it purrs like a cougar.

Absolutely no complaints with noise levels on any of these!
 
terraplane-

Have you seen the September 2004 edition of Trailer Boats Magazine? It has a review of five of the 90 hp outboards available, including noise ratings. The article left out the new 2005 Yamaha 90 EFI--too recent to be included. I have this last motor and I am very impressed with it! All those rated are within a few (84-88) dBa at cruise-almost imperceptable differences that would make other motor features the deciding factors for me. Joe.
 
Even as quite as they are, on my 16' Cruiser, I was about to make an engine cover with the aft side open and a clear plexi-glass window on the starboard bottom forward face of it as to allow me to be able to watch it "pee"... I just like seeing the water flow out of the motors. The box would have been sort of like a noise shield that would have "bounced" the noise aft of the boat instead of coming into the open "cathedral" effect on the 16 cruiser. But, the only time noise was a factor was at about 4400+ RPM range. Also, this would have added a bit more "table" top space, and a place to mount a couple of "buoy boys" to hold a couple of beverages while sitting in the rear cock-pit area in the shade.
 
Just wanted to give you a different look....

Bought my 22' new in May, 2004. Only have 100 hours on a 75 Honda and 8 HP kicker.

My cruise area is the upper Florida Keys, Erie Canal (one month) and on the St. Johns river where I live.

The main thing I liked about the C Dory was its simplicity. No inner liner (less weight), nothing fancy (less to clean, just hose it out).

Where I boat, I just wanted the basics. I cook with a one burner stove ($30 at KMart), heat with a catalytic heater ($30 at KMart), use indoor carpet in the cockpit and inside have a compass mounted which, so far, has been a great place to hang my hat. I let the dealer talk me into a depth finder which often shows 380' in 6' of water (and which is now sitting in my garage until it learns to behave itself).

It would be impossible for me to have all the great gadgets that I read about on this site. First of all, I really couldn't afford them and second, I am not sure I would be able to see out the windows. I know that I am lucky to be able to boat in mostly ideal conditions (the tandem trailer allows me to pick my spots) and on the ST. Johns the boat sits on a lift which on rough days seems content to stay there.

I don't really know what is gained with the 90 over the 75 as I like to cruise about 23 MPH (on my $75 hand held GPS) with two people and light weight camping gear. I do know I have to tell a story to get more than 5 MPG with the 75 HP.

Just a little different perspective from someone who still wishes that my truck had crank-up windows.

Truly a remarkable boat and RV.

Don Z
 
I would go with the most power possible. That way when you load it heavy it will still run like it is light. If you don't need the power just don't lean on the throttle as much. It is nice to generate a nice breeze and a smile when you hit smooth water. Since this boat is easily trailered you have acess to lakes and rivers which often have smooth water. And it is nice to have power to tow a water toy with the kids. I think RED FOX did it right with the 115.

I grew up with coleman white gas stoves. The extreme will boil soup in three minutes. The Wallas WOW! now costs $2250. The wallas takes at least 20 minutes from start up / cook / and cool down to shut off. Way to slow for me and it makes excessive cabin heat by heating the whole cooktop when you just need one burner. In the summer south that is way to much heat in the cabin. And dissapointingly it doesn't put the heat where I want it. In the V-birth. If I had to do over I would take the FREE origo stove and install a TOYOTAMI diesel heater. Then you can pipe the heat to the floor and the V-birth. Even defog if you need it.

If you go with electric wipers (recommended) see if they will mount one of the manuals you payed for in the center window? Every front window needs a wiper. If you get an anchor bracket make sure you get one with a roller that will allow the anchor will fall when you hit the windlass release button.

Good luck in your search.
 
Chris,

I agree that the 115 would be a good choice, and thats what I want when I repower, however.....If the boat is new the factory hull warranty becomes void if you exceed the factory maximum horsepower! (100HP on the 22)
 
Larry, Chris-

Before I found out that the new 2005 Yamaha 90 had EFI, I asked a dealer to sell me a Yamaha 115 in order to get the EFI, as I wanted to buy a modern style efficient motor with multi-port electronic fuel injection for the quick start up, the economy, and the clean internal and external operation.

Nothing doing!!! Gunther's Outboards, a C-Dory factory authorized dealer, wouldn't mount the over the approved limit 115 on my hull because of the liability involved.

Their concern with liability and insurance issues is one thing, the other would be for an owner to consider what position the over the limit motor puts you in if a lawsuit were to result from your boat operation. What does your policy say?

The only way you'll get one on your CD-22 is to mount it yourself or find a Yamaha dealer that doesn't either know about the 100 hp limit or bother to look it up.

If you decide to mount it yourself, be sure to check that self-installation doesn't void the warranty.

Not trying to be difficult or negative, but I think this is the realistic truth.

Joe.
 
Joe,

Those are good points. The other issue is getting or keeping insurance on the boat. I checked with my Allstate agent and he said 115 hp was 'no problem', but previous threads have shown that some insurance companies won't accept any hp over the factory limit.
 
Joe and Larry:

Good points to ponder. I remember some discussion in the past and if I remember most states seem to say if the boat is over 20 ft the data plate rating is a recommendation. But you are right one needs to know for sure. My last boat was a "CHECKPOINT" made locally. It was a center onsole 22ft/8ft beam rated for 100HP max. It had a 75HP mariner and really needed atleast a 115 to move good. When I asked the manufacturer about the data label and a bigger engine? He said he will make a new data plate say whatever I want! I ended up with the CD. But feel as if I am in the "same boat" if ya know what I mean. I am already dreaming of the 115 on the back and my boat is just about out of warranty. Not sure if I should try to wear out the 80 HP or swap early and try for higher resale. I find that the different plaining cruising speeds all come on in the last 1000 rpm of the engine. I just don't like running that hard. A 90 hp engine would produce 75 horsepower somewhere below wide open throttle. Seems logical that you could get 75 HP performance and speed without running a 90 HP wide open. I know CD doesn't want you to push the boat over about 30MPH do to less control and slip and slide. But the boat holds so much stuff that I find the speed drops off noticable compared to an empty boat with the operator on board as tested. I carry two large dogs and my wife and camping gear so it's like having 4 on board. Plus the kicker. So we are always heavy. I noticed that the Southeast dealer has mounted 80H.P yamahas for years. So naturally when I stopped by to check out the used boats. I was told that 80 HP is all I'll ever need :D Like my first computer, A 42 meg hardrive is all I'll ever need. LOL. I spend most of the time at 6 knots. I run the kicker quit a bit,also. I love sitting/driving out back on nice days. I get cabin fever even on the boat. But sometimes I want to cruise faster for lots of reasons. If the CD can cruise at a good clip it's just one more "CAN DO" to add to the long list of capabilities.

On the insurance: I wonder if anyone has gotten stung, involved in a mishap and had the insurance add the main motor and kicker together and say they are over powered? IE: 100HP main + 15HP kicker = 115HP total. Sounds technical but some companies might go to great lengths not to pay.
 
RedFox is "State Farmed" they said as long as it was not "way-overpowered" and they don't concider mine that way with the 115 Yami. Even had a claim one year... no problems with them. :thup :thup :smile

OH. Back when I was shopping for the 4-stroke of choice; I read-up on the 115 vs the 90 (back in 2000) the 115 is considerably heavier cuz it's internally "beefed up" to have the extra durability.
 
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