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It is Christmas.. Is it still politically correct?
- Thread starter Butch
- Start date
I always steer clear of these. This kind of "innocent" inquiry is obviously doomed to go bad, regardless of the motives of the original poster.
I'm only chiming in this time because something noteworthy has occured: Usually, SOMEBODY will take the bait. Not this time, it appears.
I find that genuinely reassuring. Good on ya, C-Brats!
I'm only chiming in this time because something noteworthy has occured: Usually, SOMEBODY will take the bait. Not this time, it appears.
I find that genuinely reassuring. Good on ya, C-Brats!
Sorry if my post above seems harsh or rude, but we've just recently been through the turmoil of discussing some non-boating controversial issues and have worked too hard to re-establish peace and brotherhood among our members to fall into the trap of discussing politics or religion again!
What begins as innocent questioning seems to usually turn into heated exchanges as folks find others who disagree with them. We all love to expound our ideas on these two subjects, but often take offense when someone else disagrees with us.
There's an old adage to not discuss religion or politics except when it is appropriate which would seem to be a wise course of action for us!
After all, this is a boating website, not a blog or bulletin board for free for all exchanges!
If you're interested in another member's opinion on one of these topics, ask directly in a PM, please.
Yours Sincerely,
Joe. :teeth
What begins as innocent questioning seems to usually turn into heated exchanges as folks find others who disagree with them. We all love to expound our ideas on these two subjects, but often take offense when someone else disagrees with us.
There's an old adage to not discuss religion or politics except when it is appropriate which would seem to be a wise course of action for us!
After all, this is a boating website, not a blog or bulletin board for free for all exchanges!
If you're interested in another member's opinion on one of these topics, ask directly in a PM, please.
Yours Sincerely,
Joe. :teeth
Guys I have been 100% honest with you. I am going to voluntarily remove my address from your site. With the responses I have been getting both on site and PM.. I am more confused than ever. The thing that really stung was the comment that I asked the question for amusment. I would have never asked if that crossed my mind. It obviously didn't.
One good thing though... I really appreciate the one comment regarding a logical train of thought... it has been more than 2 years since I have heard that. I'll take that as a positive.
As for not owning a Dory... I 've had my wife out three times on a CD 25 from Cutter Marine in Baltimore. Everything is fine until we stop and she goes below deck. She got sick three for three. The closest I have gotten her a reasonably stable boat was the C Cat, but the jury is still out on that one.
I met a lot of good people on this site and I wish it well.
If I have learned one thing don't accidently rock the Dory... they bite. Butch
One good thing though... I really appreciate the one comment regarding a logical train of thought... it has been more than 2 years since I have heard that. I'll take that as a positive.
As for not owning a Dory... I 've had my wife out three times on a CD 25 from Cutter Marine in Baltimore. Everything is fine until we stop and she goes below deck. She got sick three for three. The closest I have gotten her a reasonably stable boat was the C Cat, but the jury is still out on that one.
I met a lot of good people on this site and I wish it well.
If I have learned one thing don't accidently rock the Dory... they bite. Butch
Butch-
I'm deeply sorry if I've been too harsh with you, but I'm just trying to protect our C-Brat community from the discord and stress we have encountered discussing this kind of topic before.
I read your postings several times, and was convinced there was an underlying continuity of thought and purpose there that was intended to pursue that type of discussion, disregarding the recent history of difficulties with such volatile topics.
If I was wrong, I'm sorry, but in either case there's no reason for you to leave this site to which you've been a contributing member. Just drop the topic now that you are fully aware that many of us feel that it is off limits on this boating site. The long winter exacerbates the risk of such volatile topics going afoul.
Now that you're very aware of how much many of our C-Brat members want to protect our community from discussing such divisive subjects, you, we, and all of us together can get on with our favorite hobby of boating the C-Dory way!
Sincerely,
Joe. :teeth
I'm deeply sorry if I've been too harsh with you, but I'm just trying to protect our C-Brat community from the discord and stress we have encountered discussing this kind of topic before.
I read your postings several times, and was convinced there was an underlying continuity of thought and purpose there that was intended to pursue that type of discussion, disregarding the recent history of difficulties with such volatile topics.
If I was wrong, I'm sorry, but in either case there's no reason for you to leave this site to which you've been a contributing member. Just drop the topic now that you are fully aware that many of us feel that it is off limits on this boating site. The long winter exacerbates the risk of such volatile topics going afoul.
Now that you're very aware of how much many of our C-Brat members want to protect our community from discussing such divisive subjects, you, we, and all of us together can get on with our favorite hobby of boating the C-Dory way!
Sincerely,
Joe. :teeth
Hey Butch- You don't have to go anywhere. You just happened to come through the door right after some hard feelings on a recent thread. It's not that anyone doesn't respect your opinion. It's just that most people here want to discuss only things that are at least tangentially boat related, and avoid political or religious discussions. So, know that you are welcome here, as all are welcome.
Hey Butch,
Like Marty said, "you don't have to go". We are really a pretty tolerant group, however there are some disadvantages to bad timing, and I think that's where you landed, at least partially. I have been watching this thread, because I have my own opinion about Christmas. I spent my time in service for my country, fought for at least my rights to express my opinions, and belive each of us are intitled to do the same. I think we benefit from our contact with each other in some way or another. I have a very good friend who had a stroke at a very young age and for a time, the wires were really crossed up. Logic was often times gone, and memory was scattered, it's much better now after many years, but there were many embarrassing and sad times along the way. So, healing can be had, and growth can happen.
Like others here on the C-Brat site, I love to talk C-Dory and boating, and related. Come Christmas, I bet you will see some Merry Christmas's floating around on the site. There are probably some folks here who have Christmas lites on there boats, even they may not belive like you or I. I'm OK with that, it's their right. If they come to my house, they will hear "Merry Christmas", but when I go to their house they can say whatever they like. Here on the Brat site, those opinions are kept pretty low key. Now if you go knocking my boat though, the feathers will come up.
So for what ever your reason, to bring up the question, I wish you health and peace, because it is the season.
Harvey
SleepyC :moon
Like Marty said, "you don't have to go". We are really a pretty tolerant group, however there are some disadvantages to bad timing, and I think that's where you landed, at least partially. I have been watching this thread, because I have my own opinion about Christmas. I spent my time in service for my country, fought for at least my rights to express my opinions, and belive each of us are intitled to do the same. I think we benefit from our contact with each other in some way or another. I have a very good friend who had a stroke at a very young age and for a time, the wires were really crossed up. Logic was often times gone, and memory was scattered, it's much better now after many years, but there were many embarrassing and sad times along the way. So, healing can be had, and growth can happen.
Like others here on the C-Brat site, I love to talk C-Dory and boating, and related. Come Christmas, I bet you will see some Merry Christmas's floating around on the site. There are probably some folks here who have Christmas lites on there boats, even they may not belive like you or I. I'm OK with that, it's their right. If they come to my house, they will hear "Merry Christmas", but when I go to their house they can say whatever they like. Here on the Brat site, those opinions are kept pretty low key. Now if you go knocking my boat though, the feathers will come up.
So for what ever your reason, to bring up the question, I wish you health and peace, because it is the season.
Harvey
SleepyC :moon
Butch,
I wasn't going to comment, but I decided to say a couple of things. I am a new member to this site and also a new C-dory owner. I was very excited when I ordered my boat and I discovered the brats and I thought "wow what a great site". Then almost immediately i ended up in a political debate. Next thing I know I have offended some people and some people have offended me. Harsh words are flying and instead of talking about my new boat or asking the old pro's about theirs , I am arguing friggin politics. I got angry and decided to forget the brat site existed.
Well I calmed down and stopped making posts and instead just started to read old topics and posts. I recognized some of the names of the people I had argued with and found myself agreeing with their opinions on other issues. I even learned quite a few things from these very same people.
I decided that for me some topics are a no no. Many of us have strong convictions and opinions. I figure if I am going to argue on this site then it will have to be about boats.
I truly believe that this site brings tremendous enjoyment for a lot of people( me included) We know that it can be risky to start bringing in other kinds of non related topics, particularly religion and politics. Butch...the way I see it is..many people don't want to take the risk of diminishing the value of this site.
Speaking only for myself.. I would encourage you to reconsider, like I did.
regards
Ryder
I wasn't going to comment, but I decided to say a couple of things. I am a new member to this site and also a new C-dory owner. I was very excited when I ordered my boat and I discovered the brats and I thought "wow what a great site". Then almost immediately i ended up in a political debate. Next thing I know I have offended some people and some people have offended me. Harsh words are flying and instead of talking about my new boat or asking the old pro's about theirs , I am arguing friggin politics. I got angry and decided to forget the brat site existed.
Well I calmed down and stopped making posts and instead just started to read old topics and posts. I recognized some of the names of the people I had argued with and found myself agreeing with their opinions on other issues. I even learned quite a few things from these very same people.
I decided that for me some topics are a no no. Many of us have strong convictions and opinions. I figure if I am going to argue on this site then it will have to be about boats.
I truly believe that this site brings tremendous enjoyment for a lot of people( me included) We know that it can be risky to start bringing in other kinds of non related topics, particularly religion and politics. Butch...the way I see it is..many people don't want to take the risk of diminishing the value of this site.
Speaking only for myself.. I would encourage you to reconsider, like I did.
regards
Ryder
To All Have a Blessed Christmas. Found this interesting, and timely for this post, even if it was from my Mother-In-Law.....
Byrdman
Letter from Jesus about Christmas
Dear Children,
It has come to my attention that many of you are upset that folks are taking My name out of the season. Maybe you've forgotten that I wasn't actually born during this time of the year and that it was some of your edecessors who decided to celebrate My birthday on what was actually a time of pagan festival. Although I do appreciate being remembered anytime.
How I personally feel about this celebration can probably be most easily understood by those of you who have been blessed with children of your own. I don't care what you call the day. If you want to celebrate My birth, just GET ALONG AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
Now, having said that let Me go on. If it bothers you that the town in which you live doesn't allow a scene depicting My birth, then just get rid of a couple of Santas and snowmen and put in a small Nativity scene
on your own front lawn. If all My followers did that there wouldn't be any need for such a scene on the town square because there would be many of them all around town.
Stop worrying about the fact that people are calling the tree a holiday tree, instead of a Christmas tree. It was I who made all trees. You can remember Me anytime you see any tree. Decorate a grape vine if you wish: I actually spoke of that one in a teaching, explaining who I am in relation to you and what each of our tasks were. If you have forgotten that one, look up John 15: 1 - 8.
If you want to give Me a present in remembrance of My birth here is my wish list. Choose something from it:
1. Instead of writing protest letters objecting to the way My birthday is being celebrated, write letters of love and hope to soldiers away from home. They are terribly
afraid and lonely this time of year. I know, they tell Me all the time.
2. Visit someone in a nursing home. You don't have to know them personally. They just need to know that someone cares about them.
3. Instead of writing George complaining about the wording on the cards his staff sent out this year, why don't you write and tell him that you'll be praying for
him and his family this year. Then follow up. It will be nice hearing from you again.
4. Instead of giving your children a lot of gifts you can't afford and they don't need, spend time with them. Tell them the story of My birth, and why I came to live with you down here. Hold them in your arms and remind them that I love them.
5. Pick someone that has hurt you in the past and forgive him or her.
6. Did you know that someone in your town will attempt to take their own life this season because they feel so alone and hopeless? Since you don't know who that person is, try giving everyone you meet a warm smile; it could make the difference.
7. Instead of nit picking about what the retailer in your town calls the holiday, be patient with the people who work there. Give them a warm smile and a kind word. Even if they aren't allowed to wish you a "Merry Christmas" that doesn't keep you from wishing them one. Then stop
shopping there on Sunday. If the store didn't make so much money on that day they'd close and let their employees spend the day at home with their families.
8. If you really want to make a difference, support a missionary-- especially one who takes My love and Good News to those who have never heard My name.
9. Here's a good one. There are individuals and whole families in your town who not only will have no
"Christmas" tree, but neither will they have any presents to give or receive. If you don't know them,
buy some food and a few gifts and give them to the Salvation Army or some other charity which believes
in Me and they will make the delivery for you.
10. Finally, if you want to make a statement about your belief in and loyalty to Me, then behave like a
Christian. Don't do things in secret that you wouldn't do in My presence. Let people know by your actions that you are one of mine.
Don't forget; I am God and can take care of Myself. Just love Me and do what I have told you to do. I'll
take care of all the rest. Check out the list above and get to work; time is short. I'll help you, but the ball is
now in your court. And do have a most blessed Christmas with all those whom you love, and
remember :
I LOVE YOU,
JESUS
Byrdman
Letter from Jesus about Christmas
Dear Children,
It has come to my attention that many of you are upset that folks are taking My name out of the season. Maybe you've forgotten that I wasn't actually born during this time of the year and that it was some of your edecessors who decided to celebrate My birthday on what was actually a time of pagan festival. Although I do appreciate being remembered anytime.
How I personally feel about this celebration can probably be most easily understood by those of you who have been blessed with children of your own. I don't care what you call the day. If you want to celebrate My birth, just GET ALONG AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
Now, having said that let Me go on. If it bothers you that the town in which you live doesn't allow a scene depicting My birth, then just get rid of a couple of Santas and snowmen and put in a small Nativity scene
on your own front lawn. If all My followers did that there wouldn't be any need for such a scene on the town square because there would be many of them all around town.
Stop worrying about the fact that people are calling the tree a holiday tree, instead of a Christmas tree. It was I who made all trees. You can remember Me anytime you see any tree. Decorate a grape vine if you wish: I actually spoke of that one in a teaching, explaining who I am in relation to you and what each of our tasks were. If you have forgotten that one, look up John 15: 1 - 8.
If you want to give Me a present in remembrance of My birth here is my wish list. Choose something from it:
1. Instead of writing protest letters objecting to the way My birthday is being celebrated, write letters of love and hope to soldiers away from home. They are terribly
afraid and lonely this time of year. I know, they tell Me all the time.
2. Visit someone in a nursing home. You don't have to know them personally. They just need to know that someone cares about them.
3. Instead of writing George complaining about the wording on the cards his staff sent out this year, why don't you write and tell him that you'll be praying for
him and his family this year. Then follow up. It will be nice hearing from you again.
4. Instead of giving your children a lot of gifts you can't afford and they don't need, spend time with them. Tell them the story of My birth, and why I came to live with you down here. Hold them in your arms and remind them that I love them.
5. Pick someone that has hurt you in the past and forgive him or her.
6. Did you know that someone in your town will attempt to take their own life this season because they feel so alone and hopeless? Since you don't know who that person is, try giving everyone you meet a warm smile; it could make the difference.
7. Instead of nit picking about what the retailer in your town calls the holiday, be patient with the people who work there. Give them a warm smile and a kind word. Even if they aren't allowed to wish you a "Merry Christmas" that doesn't keep you from wishing them one. Then stop
shopping there on Sunday. If the store didn't make so much money on that day they'd close and let their employees spend the day at home with their families.
8. If you really want to make a difference, support a missionary-- especially one who takes My love and Good News to those who have never heard My name.
9. Here's a good one. There are individuals and whole families in your town who not only will have no
"Christmas" tree, but neither will they have any presents to give or receive. If you don't know them,
buy some food and a few gifts and give them to the Salvation Army or some other charity which believes
in Me and they will make the delivery for you.
10. Finally, if you want to make a statement about your belief in and loyalty to Me, then behave like a
Christian. Don't do things in secret that you wouldn't do in My presence. Let people know by your actions that you are one of mine.
Don't forget; I am God and can take care of Myself. Just love Me and do what I have told you to do. I'll
take care of all the rest. Check out the list above and get to work; time is short. I'll help you, but the ball is
now in your court. And do have a most blessed Christmas with all those whom you love, and
remember :
I LOVE YOU,
JESUS
Hi Folks,
I hope I do not disturb anybody, but POLITICALLY CORRECT is a term developed by a bunch of Commies who don't want us to talk about the truth. When I was a college professor, you could never say what you believed because somebody would take you to task that it was not politically correct. To all of them BS.
As for Christmas, we in America have been celebrating Christmas for years. We do not expect anybody who does not believe in Christmas to make a fuss like in Lexington Massachusetts where the a Manger was declared illegal. If somebody of another religion wants to do their thing, so be it. I won't care, but don't mess with my beliefs.
Merry Christmas everybody,
Fred Heap
PS: Happy Holidays to the rest of you..
I hope I do not disturb anybody, but POLITICALLY CORRECT is a term developed by a bunch of Commies who don't want us to talk about the truth. When I was a college professor, you could never say what you believed because somebody would take you to task that it was not politically correct. To all of them BS.
As for Christmas, we in America have been celebrating Christmas for years. We do not expect anybody who does not believe in Christmas to make a fuss like in Lexington Massachusetts where the a Manger was declared illegal. If somebody of another religion wants to do their thing, so be it. I won't care, but don't mess with my beliefs.
Merry Christmas everybody,
Fred Heap
PS: Happy Holidays to the rest of you..
hardee (Harvey), Ryder, and others-
Thanks so much for your help in moderating the tone of this thread, and cushioning the impact of my overly zealous efforts to quell any discussion of controversial political and religious topics.
We fought too hard to allow that type of exchange to rock our collective boat again. It's really too bad that those types of discussions turn negative so easily.
Ironically, Mike and Bill added the "That's Life" Forum when we became so comfortable with each other a year or so ago that the discussion of any topic beyond boating seemed reasonable and safe. Recent experience has proven that there are limits to this assumption.
Thanks to Byrdman for his post, a very sincere and valuable contribution. It's religious source is not an issue, it's good advice for anyone.
I hope all my fellow C-Brats can join together keeping our site the best boating community on the internet and that this thread, or my participation in it, has not been to big a bump in the road.
Sincerely,
Joe. :thup
Thanks so much for your help in moderating the tone of this thread, and cushioning the impact of my overly zealous efforts to quell any discussion of controversial political and religious topics.
We fought too hard to allow that type of exchange to rock our collective boat again. It's really too bad that those types of discussions turn negative so easily.
Ironically, Mike and Bill added the "That's Life" Forum when we became so comfortable with each other a year or so ago that the discussion of any topic beyond boating seemed reasonable and safe. Recent experience has proven that there are limits to this assumption.
Thanks to Byrdman for his post, a very sincere and valuable contribution. It's religious source is not an issue, it's good advice for anyone.
I hope all my fellow C-Brats can join together keeping our site the best boating community on the internet and that this thread, or my participation in it, has not been to big a bump in the road.
Sincerely,
Joe. :thup