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2006
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22 Cruiser
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Still waiting to get my 2006 CD 22 Cruiser.

Just wondering what kind of performance to expect from the Honda 9.9.

How slow can I troll without loading the motor up? How fast will the boat go with just the 9.9 (600 pounds of cargo)?

I know, I know. Silly questions. On the other hand I am getting anxious to get the boat & have nothing else to think about! :lol:
 
I just bought the nissan 9.8 and have ran it onlly one day so Iam not sure about top speed I got to 5 mph for ashort time. I could troll as slow as .01 mphbut that was with a lot of wind and current. on a lake with no wind would be the best place to try it out.
 
Al, how fast do you want to go with your kicker? I'm assuming it's not your only source of power. :lol:

With only a couple of caveats, I don't think you will have any problems with your Honda 10 on your 22 CD.

I have a CD25 which is quite a bit heavier. I'm running a Honda 15 kicker(150 main)on a bracket.

My 15 gives 2 or 3 knots at 1/4 throttle, and a measured 5 knots at 1/2 throttle, with the main engine down for use as a rudder. Aside from doubling the turning radius, that works fine. Raising the main increased speed, but I didn't measure it.

I don't know what top speed would be, but probably not over 6 or 7 knots at best.

The key to getting good performance out of a kicker is the same as for the main, only many people forget to do it. Choose the right PROP.

Some small engines are delivered with a general purpose prop intended for use on inflatables and small runabouts. Those props are completely unsuited for kicker use on a cruiser.

Make sure that your kicker has a prop with a low enough pitch to allow it to turn sufficient RPM so that it is not lugging at trolling speeds and you should have no problem with it loading up.

As far as speed, Im guessing that it should power your 22 about as well as my 15 does on my 25.
 
Al":110wimpp said:
Still waiting to get my 2006 CD 22 Cruiser.

Just wondering what kind of performance to expect from the Honda 9.9.

How slow can I troll without loading the motor up?
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Dead idle. However that's really, really slow and most folks have to add some power to get a good trolling speed.

How fast will the boat go with just the 9.9 (600 pounds of cargo)?
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It will take it to hull speed (5.5 knots) with any amount of load on board. It may push just a little faster then that in reality but then the bow starts to climb the bow wave and it takes a lot more power to go faster (it's not an efficient mode).

Honda has a 6.5" pitch symetrical blade prop to fit the 9.9 but I'd try the standard prop first to see how you like it; most folks don't feel they need to change it once they try it out.
 
Al- Mine has a 9.9 kicker that trolls down to .5 mph. Top speed with the 9.9 is about 7-8mph if memory serves. I think you will like the little Honda. Its pretty quiet and doesn't stink. You can look in my photo album to see one on the rear of a 22'. My only beef with it is that one of the spark plugs is very difficult to get at. Doable but difficult.

Chris Bulovsky
Washburn Wi
 
Thanks to everyone for their replies.

As of now I am planning to pick the boat up next Thurday, the 30th. Then a lot of my questions will be answered.

Ok, I confess... After next Thursday I will probably have a LOT more questions!

Actually I get teased by my friends about my never ending questions, but how else is an old man like me supposed to learn anything? :mrgreen:
 
I have a 22 cruiser will i be able to get any headway using a 4hp suzi or similar powerplant I want an eng for both my inflatable and the 22 what is the smallest eng you cna use on a cd-22
 
jennykatz-

It all depends on what kind of conditions you boat in.

I have a 42 lb thrust electric trolling motor mounted on the main engine anti-ventilation plate that equals about 2/3 rds of one hp. It drives my CD-22 from 0-2 mph, but that's all I want it for, trolling in freshwater lakes. It will also take me home on Lake Shasta, but would be a joke in the ocean as a back up motor.

Your proposed four is about 1/2 of the 8-10 hp usually recommended for a kicker for use in conditions up to moderately rough water.

Because of how drag increases exponentially with speed, you'll probably be able to get about 5 mph or so out of it at full throttle in smooth water.

The hull is driven very easily at displacement speeds up to about 6-7 mph when it hits a "wall' of resistance and starts pushing a serious wake and trying to climb up on plane. Even 10-15 hp will only get you about 8 mph or so.

So can you live with about 5 mph max. speed? Will you need the kicker as a trolling and/or slow speed motor, or do you need a motor capable of taking you safely home in a storm after the main dies? Are there strong currents where you boat?

There's not too much difference between 5 and 8 mph unless you're caught in strong currents, encounter big swells and/or chop (where the larger motors lose less speed), or have a squall or waterspout after your tail!

Joe.
 
Jennykatz, it can be done. The biggest problem I have run into in the past with trying to run an engine as both a kicker and power for a dinghy regards shaft length.

Optimum shaft length for a kicker is 20". (long shaft) A dinghy or inflatable works best with a 15' shaft.(short shaft)

You can get by with a long shaft on a dinghy, though. It will be more cumbersome and shallow water operation will be compromised a bit, but it is workable.

Just don't try to use a short shaft as a kicker. The bigger boat's transom will block the free flow of water to the prop. It will cavitate and move the boat poorly if at all. (don't ask me how I know :oops: )
 
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