Looking for advice/suggestions

We use our 22 Cruiser both for commuting to a cabin on Decatur Island in the San Juans and some cruising. It's about 16nm from Twin Bridges Marina to our dock and we've never had a problem with weather causing a significant change in plans. Of course, if the wind is blowing 30+ knots, we may wait a day to go up, but it's not a big deal for us. If it's really stormy, we don't need to go. Ours is powered by a single Honda BF90D. This engine is a great match for the boat and has no problem pushing the boat with 6 people, 2 Golden Retrievers, and gear for the weekend. We prefer the cruiser version to the angler. It's nice to be able to put all six people inside in a pinch (if it's raining or cold) and there is still plenty of space in the cockpit for our gear, which we normally pack in large plastic bins.

Good luck with your decision. Go ride on a lot of different boats and figure out what works best for you, then enjoy it!
 
Hey 416,

I mighta' figured there was more in your arsenal than just the .416. Thanks for the pics. I think I'm outgunned!

20dauntless,

Good point about getting more people inside. On these warm summer days we have been getting in endless procession hereabouts, it's easy to forget the more typical October - April fare that makes being out in an open boat rather punishing.
 
Sounds like you are leaning every so sparingly towards the 22 Cruiser.

"Avoid incrementalism, go directly to the 22 and be done with it. There is a reason this boat has been their best seller. Also there are more pre-owned 22's to chose from.....Yes, I am an unapologetic, opinionated 22 Cruiser owner."

Milehog said that, and he is probably the only direct, unopinionated, honest and not too outspoken C-Brat on this site. The rest of us are just plain fanatical. OH well maybe not all of us, some are just understated. :wink

Now that you have the size and style nailed down, it shouldn't be hard at all to decide on twin power. Look at where you are running, and (like me, not a mechanic), and that it may be emergency transportation, do you want to rely on a 9 or 15 kicker at 6-8 knots. The kicker for my 22 is a 40 and it can be either starboard or port, :thup :thup but so far, I've never had to run on a single. I will at some time repower to 50's that are fuel injected, (no more carbs) and that would be plenty of both power and fuel economy. (And yes, they do cost more than one at the OB shop, but if you are running and/or relying on a kicker, it will require service too, :disgust so there are still 2 OB's on the bill. AND, I don't believe there is more fuel expense. The single vs twin debate goes on, and on and on and ...... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

Harvey
SleepyC

Of course, this is al my most humble opinion and as such is submitted for your consideration in some very serious matters. :oops:

Oh, and by the way, welcome to the D-Brat community. Your posts have been fascinating. Do hope to get to See you at Naniamo CBGT.

Harvey
SleepyC
 
Hardee,

Thank you too - as well as all the other wonderful C-Brats - for your ideas. Hard to quarrel with the twin power notion. Very comforting to know that if one is out, the other will get you home - or at least to safety. A kicker might keep you off the rocks, but maybe not in a worst case scenario.

I am pressing to get out to the Nanaimo CBGT. Won't have a hard time persuading my wife to come along. She wants a boat more than I do, I think. She's pretty dauntless. She's game to use our open boat go to places and in conditions that make me balk. But she already has visions of the expanded horizons a C-Dory would bring.

She went off this morning to "book club". A group of women on these islands have formed said club, and once a month or so they spend a day at the home of one of the members. The home they are visiting today is on North Rendezvous Island. That means she drives the 10 miles of rough road to Surge Narrows. I have mentioned that road before. Most of it cannot be called a "gravel" road. It's a collection of fist-sized and larger rocks, with lots of not-so-tire friendly sharp contours, and a generous scattering potholes where the rock cover is thin and the mud had been washed away. No department of highways here to fix it up. Once at Surge, she and the rest of the scholarly group (some 20 in number today, rumour has it - a number I find surprisingly large) climb into various watercraft mustered at the government dock and head up Whiterock Pass to get to the Rendezvous Islands. In an hour or so, they'll be heading home. This is actually her first attendance at book club, so I am eagerly awaiting the full report. I want to know how many really showed up, from just what islands, by what manner of watercraft.

There's a pretty stiff NW breeze blowing at the moment (always nice as the sun starts to weaken late in the day; the wind will keep the batteries full), and the trip back down Whiterock Pass should be OK. BUT, if we had our C-Dory, I could take her there and fetch her home via Sutil Channel and Drew Passage, a shorter and easier trip. But with just our open boat, she's better off doing it by the arduous route I have described. Would that I could step in the breech and magnanimously offer water transportation to some of the book club members who live on the east side of our island, but alas, I'll have to wait.

So let me know if you see a stellar deal on a 22 with twin power, fuel injectors and, of course, a long list of other accoutrements such as downriggers, pot pullers, stoves and a dazzling array of state-of-the art electronics.
 
Castaway, since you live in a particularly remote area, you should investigate to see which brands of outboards the locals use and service. Some repair shops will only work on certain brands. I have noticed that Yamahas are very popular in Canada. So if you should run across a boat with E-Tec engines, for example, could you get them serviced?

Warren
 
Castaway,
Keep watching that lower right hand corner on the home page, and the forums. When the super good deals come, they don't last long. Right now there is a pretty good deal on the 22 Cruiser out of Port townsend, WA, and it's pretty close considering, but it has a single and a kicker.

Good luck, and if there is anything I can do from here to help please don't hesitate to contact me, (a PM Private Message) works well.

Hope to see you in Naniamo,

Harvey
SleepyC
 
Castaway,

You have proven to us all that you are no "Hole in the Ocean".

Brathood is something you have embraced and probably can't shake, just like the rest of us.

Thank you for sparking what has become one of the better threads lately!

The best of luck finding your own 22 with twins, you will never regret it.

Dan
 
I would go with either a 19 foot or 22 foot Angler. The Angler has more cockpit room for provisions. HOWEVER! One problem with C-Dory's is there is no floor on 22 foot and smaller. Your standing on the inside of the hull. No raised, skuppered floor. Therefore you will have wet feet from rain or heavy spray. On my 22 foot cruiser the rain water settles against the bulkhead of the cabin because it's a Dory the stern is higher then midships. My C-Dory is older with the bilge pump up against the transom, useless unless I take on Loads of water, like sink. Some of the newer C-Dorys have blidge pumps up against the bulkhead, under feet. I'm not sure how they work. If your boat is to be in the water all the time you need to concider this. I have a mooring and have to bail mine out after good rains. C-Dory's BIGGEST FLAW!
 
I noticed someone suggested a boat lift. Not practical where you are I believe because you have high tidal differences. I had a boat lift in Maryland that was great but we only had a two foot tide. I would love to have one here in Maine but we have a ten foot tide and icebergs in the winter.
 
Castaway,

I agree with the choice of a 22. As for cruiser vs. angler personally I would go with a cruiser but... while they are harder to find you might be able to get an angler for less money since they are considered less desirable by some folks (not as well set up for cruising hence the name :? ). The point about a wet cockpit is worth thinking about but in my 2006 22 cruiser it is extremely rare to get any water into the cockpit. Many people with the older boats put dri-deck or something similar down on the cockpit floor to avoid the problem. You might also think about "canvas" for your boat, a fabric cover for the cockpit with clear visquine windows. There are several designs that you can see in photos on this site. It is entirely possible to cruise with that up all the time giving you another large covered pretty dry area for stuff. I'm not sure just when the two bilge pump option became available and think it ended with the 2007 models. I have two pumps, one under the transom well and a second in a small well under a step at the stern of the cabin. A slot in the cabin wall allows cockpit water to feed that pump but as I said water almost never comes into the cockpit. I like the redundancy.
 
rcwass":367oeybd said:
One problem with C-Dorys is there is no floor on 22 foot and smaller. Your standing on the inside of the hull. No raised, skuppered floor.

Products such as Dri-Dek help keep your feet dry.
http://www.dri-dek.com/
Our boat came with enough Dri-Dek to cover the cabin sole and cockpit.
Currently we are just using the Dri-Dek that was in the cabin on the foreward part of the cockpit and our feet bare staying dry.
 
CASTAWAY: You OK Man?

No post since your post about tak'n da women to the women gig...? :mrgreen:

Hope one of them have not read this link and thought you thought they could not make it on their own.... and staked you out to that windmill thing or have you covering the solor panel gizmo.

My bet, is there was wine envolved at the book club...and more than likely, it may have been like some fishing trips, where the poles never get taken out...

Make a post man.... let us know you are still on the island and healthy.

Byrdman... wishing I could just see that island.... sounds like a very neat place....
 
rcwass,
If you keep your boat in a wet slip with no roof or on a mooring ball, I would recommend having a cockpit cover made up out of sunbrella. A simple sloping design from the rear of the cabin roof to the outer edges of the gunwales will divert rain outside. Many folks have pics in their albums, so poke around a bit and have a look. Should not be terribly expensive and will keep your cockpit clean as well.

Personally, I love the non self bailing deck. Feels like one is in a bathtub with high sides and it makes you feel safe.

Have a look in our "Projects" album at the pics of the new bildge pump location I made. Pump locations have changed a couple times over the years. I installed one under the cabin door, but I'm also going to put one back aft at the transom.

Rick
 
Wet feet? Not on our 22. We have floor boards. I remember someone on the site crafting hand-made floor boards out of wood. Either way, there are alternatives to having wet feet and standing in a curved cockpit.

And Harvey, in respect to preferring twins, we're doing just fine with a single and a kicker. We've actually used the kicker in a quasi-emergency situation (where we had to use it to get back to the dock +5 miles away) and it worked out just fine. Plus there's the argument that you don't have to pay twice as much for servicing two engines.

We love the 22 Cruiser and think it's the perfect size for us. You need to decide what works for you.

Welcome to C-Brat land, where everyone has an opinion and is not shy about voicing it. :wink
 
Yes, I now have canvas on my boat when on the mooring. This helps about 90% of the time. When I get heavy, wind blown rain, I still get water in the cockpit. That's not the issue. The issue is that is something to concider up front before you buy. My canvas is for storage and no cruising. Cruising canvas, with windows, is much more expensive.

I also like my cruiser but sometimes I need more cockpit area and if I were to carry provisions I'd want more cockpit area and want them dry. My cruiser was great for little ones. Safe! High gunnels. And they liked the dinette. Kept them from gettin bored with games and coloring.
 
Hi Milehog and rcwass,
I don't know if it could be an option, but our 22 cruiser has a false deck in the cockpit, so that it really does drain back to the stern bilge sump. The cabin floor is truly the hull interior, so you can see the contrast in structure, curvature and floor height between the two places. I've always wondered why some older boats had the bilge inside the cabin at the door sill, and now I know. Marc from Wefings' might know about the floor, because NoddyBleu was their Miami boat show model in 2007 (she's the boat in that video review clip somewhere in the Brat files.)
One other source of bilge water to look out for is from the locker lids on the stern quarters. Ours obviously are not rated for horizontal installation, so they can admit rain water to the bilge sump, even when the camper canvas is up.
Rod
 
Not to hijack the thread but, apropos the lazarette covers, I had water intrusion into the portside lazarette and stopped it by putting soft rubber weatherstripping with adhesive backing into the channel that the top fits into. Stops all water thus far, couple of bucks for the fix and the "D'" shaped weatherstripping compresses enough so the top fits easily.
 
Here I had my back turned for a couple of days and some honorable members of the loyal and benevolent order of C-Brats breathed new life into what I had thought was a moribund thread!

You all have provided lots more valuable insights and points to mull over, including such sensible things as ensuring that any outboard I might purchase can be serviced locally and other practical matters such as keeping one's fett (and powder) dry.

The idea of a boat lift has been mentioned, and I must say that's an idea I really like, but, as also mentioned, the tides here probably make it a bit of a tricky proposition. I am attracted to the idea because the boat won't be used everyday and, when sitting in the ocean, the bottom of the hull seems to be the place that marine life and and plants find irresistible for colonization. Here's what local tides look like at the moment:

Whaletown Bay, British Columbia (2)
50.1000° N, 125.0500° W

2009-07-23 01:28 PDT 3.25 meters Low Tide
2009-07-23 05:37 PDT Sunrise
2009-07-23 06:10 PDT 4.45 meters High Tide
2009-07-23 07:51 PDT Moonrise
2009-07-23 13:16 PDT 0.23 meters Low Tide
2009-07-23 20:32 PDT 5.15 meters High Tide
2009-07-23 21:15 PDT Sunset
2009-07-23 22:00 PDT Moonset
2009-07-24 02:19 PDT 2.88 meters Low Tide
2009-07-24 05:38 PDT Sunrise
2009-07-24 07:15 PDT 4.30 meters High Tide
2009-07-24 09:17 PDT Moonrise
2009-07-24 14:01 PDT 0.63 meters Low Tide
2009-07-24 21:06 PDT 5.10 meters High Tide
2009-07-24 21:13 PDT Sunset
2009-07-24 22:18 PDT Moonset


Byrdman, that's for your concern for my welfare! I think you have sensed that the women who find life on these remote isles to their liking are a different breed and it's possible to find oneself staked to the windmill tower in a nanosecond on account of any perceived slights. Actually, lashed to the windmill might come across as a show of leniency if one of us men should even hint that any of the women are less than competent at the helm. Keel hauling would more likely be the punishment.

As for said rendezvous of the gals at N. Rendezvous Island, I am advised that 15 showed up. The details of what transpired on that long day (my wife arrived home around 8 p.m.) remain rather murky. I dare say there's an oath of secrecy to which all club members adhere, so there's little utility in pressing for particulars.

But, on the topic of N. Rendezvous Island, I did a bit of online research in advance of my wife's departure and turned up a property for sale there. 12.1 acres with 415 feet of oceanfront with what looks to be quite a serviceable dwelling on the lot. All for 149,000 northern pesos. Strikes me as pretty reasonable. Also strikes me that it should be in the hands of a C-Brat. Here's the link: http://www.bcoceanfront.com/show_listing.php?id=139. What say you C-Brats? C'mon! Don't be pusillanimous! It costs less than the price of a locally-made tin boat. Move into the neighborhood!

I pause to note that the description of the property includes this carefully-worded sentence: "The owners indicate that there is a natural spring located on the top NE corner of the property." I take that to mean: "I've never seen it; I'm not sure it's there; caveat emptor." But, if true, that spring is like gold. I looked into having a well drilled here. I'm partial to drilled wells. I have become a bit less partial after being told that it'll cost a minimum of $6,500 to get a drill rig here from Quadra Island and $10,000 to drill a hole, with no guarantee of H2O. And that 10 grand does not include a pump and all the paraphernalia and time charges to get the water (if any) flowing.

Now you'd think I'd have got set up with water before breaking ground. Pretty trite to say that's the way it's done. That's what I did before building my last island house. But this time, I thought if I ignored the issue, it would take care of itself. It didn't. So, after months without water, scrounging from our rain barrel, our pond, seasonal creeks, etc., I spent a couple of grand and got a well dug with a backhoe. Not real deep, even by shallow well standards. Seven rings (14 feet). Dug down to bedrock. Lots of water, but rather opaque and less than aromatic. We don't drink it. It's gravity feed to an 1100- gallon tank in a shed near the house. Gravity seems different here. Because we are remote and have no police or government presence, even the law of gravity appears able to enjoy an anarchical holiday. Can't seem to maintain a siphon action for long, despite the fact that the tank is probably 75 feet lower than the well. But as difficulties with living in a place like this goes, that's a mere bagatelle.

Another islander was here yesterday, helping me pump water from the well into the tank. We dropped a line down and reckoned that the maximum water depth - if the well is full to the top - would be 5 rings, or 10 feet. It seems that there's about 4 feet of muck in the bottom, that probably sloughed in when the rings were being set. He suggested we pump it dry and climb down and muck it out, then scrub the sides. He was firmly of the view (and he has far more shallow well experience than I) that it will run clear much sooner if that job gets done. I have heard it can take a year or 2 before a shallow well will begin to run clear. This is to be Saturday's project.

Further on this well business (and what it has to do with C-Dorys is anyone's guess), is the fact that about 20 years ago I was bushwhacking around here and came across an old well. That was before any land around here was subdivided and the road was extended this far south on the island. When the whole well topic first came up, I thought about that well and went looking, but could not find it again. I didn't try too hard because I figured it was quite a ways north of our land anyway. I got to talking about it to a neighbor a few miles up the road. Next time I saw here, she said her husband recalled that well from years ago and he knew where to find it. He came down and we went off into the bush together. We had just about given up, when damned if he didn't find it. No cover on it or anything. Chock a block full of crystal clear and cold water. Amazing! It's probably about another 500 feet from the well we dug and that much further from the house. It's in the middle of a circle of old growth cedars. We are going to see what we can make of the well we dug, but I am keeping the new-found well as a backup. One of these days I have to get out there and see if I can determine if it's on our land or not. I know where our corner posts are, but there's a lot of forest and rough terrain between, so it's hard to keep a straight line. I know it's damn close to the boundary, but right now I can't say on which side of the line it falls.

Last when we were at Surge Narrows market day, an island old-timer told me that perhaps I would not mention to my wife that a horse fell down a well down this way about 25 years ago. By that time we had already tasted the well water, and it did not taste too horsey. Didn't taste much like cougar, wolf or deer or any other of the local fauna either. The guy who actually knew where to find it assured me the well we found was not the horse well. Anyway, I am undeterred. Let's say the horse that fell in was black in color. I might just start bottling that well water and call it "Black Horse Pure Spring Water" and start shipping it around the world.

Thank you again C-Brats. What a great place this is! There’s a wealth of experience here. I have done a lot of reading on this board and I have seen a broad range of common and not-so-common problems addressed and info shared. A wonderful resource. And some plain good reading. I have enjoyed the stories of those who have shared their adventures and experiences, including some great photos.
 
On the subject of boat lifts - a few of us in the land of big tides use these:
http://www.airdock.com/
I've had one for probably six years or so, and have been very pleased with it. It's not totally without its own maintenance issues, however. About every other year I wade in at minus tides and pull off a few tons of mussels and barnacles, and I think this winter I'm probably going to break down and haul it out and give it a thorough cleaning and repaint it with the bottom paint made for inflatables. That helped for a while when I originally dropped it in.
 
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