Need right size kicker motor for 22' C-dory

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RHawkins

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I have a 1983 22' Cdory with a 75h main motor and would like to know what size kicker motor is recommended for trolling and as a back-up motor to get off the ocean. Thanks, RHawkins
 
I have a 1987 Angler. I run a 70 HP Tohatsu, and a 9.9 Nissan (Tohatsu) kicker. I use it for trolling, but can do about six Nautical Miles Per hour on it.

I'd proably get a Honda four stroke if I was going to buy a new one right now. Generating some electricity would be nice.
 
I use a 7.5 Honda 4 stroke on mine and it will kick it along about 7 knots easily enough. Of course my 22' dory is the old original flat bottom too,that might make a difference.
 
Ditto what the others said. I have a 9.9 Yamaha and it's brought me home several times now at about 6 knots. It might do more but I haven't tried.
 
Just because the Suzukis are new to C-Dory (so not many installed) doesn't mean they should be overlooked!
The 9.9's are great, and for only $2-300 more you can have the 15hp. This is a great time to buy as the 2005 orders are being paid for right now.
Also, ask the dealer if he has any leftover 2003's. A kicker is a great investment and this is a great time of year to get a deal.
Good luck!
Fair Winds...
 
We have the 2005 J90 Johnson (a white suzuki), and discovered that the 9 hp Johnson does not fit on the transom. So, rather than add an extended outboard bracket, we switched to the 9.9 Honda - it is a little smaller. I sure like the EFI and large alternator on the J90, starting the Honda is not as easy...

mac
 
Hi - I have a Honda 9.9 along side my Honda 90. It is a snug fit and must be angled just so to tip it up. But it will push the 22 at 6 mph if it must and will troll all day on a sip of fuel. My only regret is that I did not opt for the duel throttle and while I can steer from the helm with the connecter bar attached, I am forced to go outside to change the throttle setting each time I turn into or away from the tide.

All in all, I'm very happy with the setup though.

Dan
 
Mac,
I had forgotten that you had the Johnson 90.
After the Langley event and 2weeks cruising I came home and tried to flush the J90 with the earmuff attachment. I started the motor and no Telltale. After about 20 seconds I turned it off, checked the attachment and water flow and tried again. Still no telltail!

I thne did the flush with the hose connection on the motor and water came out everywhere including the telltail.

Have you used the earmuffs for flushing?

Thanks,
Steve
SeaSpray
 
Hi Steve -

I've flushed the J90 with an old set of ear muffs - worked fine (telltale)with the motor running. I've also flushed with the hose port - worked fine without the motor running. For some reason, I thought you aren't supposed to run the motor with the hose port....that's why I used the muffs

I've also had the J90 go into SLOW (3k rpm) twice when out cruising- think it was due to overheating when kelp fouled the intake. I just changed the oil and filter (a little late since I had 40 hours instead of the 10 - bet you are in the same fix).

mac
 
I have an 80 H.P. yamaha with the newer hull. I wanted a kicker for trolling and auxillary power for quiet, efficient, nature trip cruising on long river trips. I love the outdoors and feel cooped up stuck in the cabin at the helm on nice days. I shopped and found that a yamaha 15H.P. is only ten pounds heavier than the 8HP. The engine cover is almost the exact deminsion of the 2" tall cardboard box that a 24 pack of sodas come in. Using the box as a template, I held it between the main and lazarret. Thinking it would fit I ordered an engine shipped from Florida. They don't charge sales tax for shipping out of state. Even after shipping, no-tax saved even more money. I found a left over model that was a couple hundred cheaper than the 8HP. ($1000 cheaper than local marine dealer).

I wanted to steer the kicker independant from the main engine. I wanted rope start for simplicity. For $35 I added the charging rectifier for keeping batteries topped off and emergency generator/charging. It fits like a glove on the transom. Has throttle lock as well as steering lock. I usually sit on the starboard lazarret and steer with my left foot. She is whisper quiet and strong. Really moves the boat with authority. A hair above idle gets four knots effortlessly with the stock prop. No cavitation at any speed. But the four blade power prop would push even better. Not yet broke in but a full throttle run throws a serious bow wave. I do have to lift the tiller handle for a full turn but it will power spin the boat right around in it's own length. Much tighter than the main engine. I recommend the 15HP. Like insurance, If ya need it it's there. If ya don't need it, don't twist the throttle so much... I couldn't be happier and glad I super sized. Don't forget the smaller motor works much harder in wind, currents and tides. I mounted mine on the starboard. Same side as two batteries. I don't notice much list that others have mentioned. My boats heavy with 3/4 ply floors, two people, two large dogs, two coolers, action packer and loads of camping gear.
 
Johnsons are not Suzukis. They have a wider (and "white-er" ) bodies.

The Suzuki 15hp is the same wt and shape as the Suzuki 9.9hp. For a couple hundred bucks you can get 50% more horsepower.
One consideration some people have is if the 'kicker' is doing double duty powering an inflatable dingy, in which case there may be a Hp limit to your needs.
Just a thought.
Fair Winds...
 
About Suzuki's: the boat shop in Fairbanks won't work on them. In fact no boat dealer in town will service them because, as they say, service support is poor. They had a hard time getting parts and tech info from Suzuki. I've been told that Suzuki makes a great outboard, though. The jet that I have runs just great.

Has anyone else run into this problem with Suzuki's?
Thanks
Pat
 
Dear Pat,
Maybe its an Alaska thing. As a dealer, most things get here next day, 2 days max. They have distibution centers in PA, Atlanta, and Brea, CA. Service is a big deal for Suzuki.
Quick example from New Hampshire. Our distributer is in PA, but if they don't have the part, it gets shipped Next Day Air from whichever warehouse has it... at no additional cost.
We brag about service and speed. Sorry you're not getting the same response.
I'll be forwarding your remarks to our Tech Rep (I know, he's an East Coast guy, but he'll know the guy that knows the guy...).
Best of luck.
Fair Winds...
 
Hi New Guy,

I was hoping I'd get a response to this one. When I bring back the 22' Angler, I will have three Suzuki outboards here in Fairbanks. The closest dealer is about 350 miles away!

You may be right about it being an Alaska thing, though. We are a small market.

It would be great if Suzuki made a connection with someone up here to sell and service their motors.

Pat
 
Dear Pat,
I'll keep you posted. If you want to PM me with your E-mail, I'll see if I can get somebody to contact you, although I don't mind being the go-between.
I'm feeling the same pain you must feel when you hear somebody complain about a C-Dory or bad dealer service. It HAPPENS, but its not the norm. The Suzuki owners are ALMOST as loyal as the C-Brats to their product. I'm glad you're keeping the faith, although it seems you are being tested in the great white north.
Take Care!
 
New Guy":2uotscme said:
Johnsons are not Suzukis. They have a wider (and "white-er" ) bodies..
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Hi New Guy,
Since I can't see your name posted in your profile, I guess I'll refer to you as "New Guy"....although I think that most of us are "older than new" :smilep .
At any rate, when I was researching engines for our new 22', I searched the individual engine manufacturer web sites. When I brought the Suzuki web site up, they had a comparison chart of the various manufacturers. A quote on Suzuki's specification sheet stated that the "Johnson 50 HP engine is manufactured by Suzuki". After deciding on the Johnson, I obtained their specification sheet and the "specs" proved out to be exactly the same as the Suzuki. So even though the Johnson "wears"a "white hat"......'er cowling...it is actually a Suzuki.
 
Dear Dave,
I don't deal with the Johnsons too much, but the last I checked they had a different engine cover/size/profile. I agree that they are the same in wt etc, but the top of it WAS different. I could very well be wrong this year, but they WERE, and I just cringe when somebody says 'my engine doesn't fit... therefore these "other engines" (fill in name here) won't fit either.'
The Mercs are Yamahas, Johnsons built by Suzuki, it makes my head spin! But they aren't always the same and that's a fact.
So, if YOUR rig didn't work, please share the info. If you extrapolate into other brands and decide a Suzuki won't fit -for instance- my boss starts making ME check if its true, and its alot of work. Plus, I don't have every boat at my disposal, or an infinite amount of time to play, etc, etc.
So out of self pity I'm responding. The value of this site is people sharing what they KNOW.
And I KNOW I've gone on too long!
Thanks everybody for your indulgence. I'll update my profile right away. (Plus, you only get away with being the New Guy for so long).
Cheers,
John Cameron
still a new guy
 
I know that some of the manufacturers package other motors with their name. They do this only on some horsepowers, so they can complete their product line. I believe it's Merc that uses Tohatsu's lower HP motors.

Someone mentioned getting a 15hp motor for the kicker. If you are interested in king salmon fishing, or especially sockeye, I would be careful about getting that much hp. Going slow on those fish is key, and even 3kts is often way to fast.
 
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