New 22s heavier?

I wish I had a better trailer......A lot of dealers rigged these boats with a 3500 pound single axle trailer which is really inadequate for the load being asked to carry. Of course, this was because the factory used to advertise a 3500 pound boat, which is very optimistic as everyone knows. I have a single axle trailer and was going through bearings and tires because of the load. It now has a 6000 pound axle under it and load range "E" tires to help. A tandem would be awesome, but I will probably never find one where I live. A lot of folks have the old single axle trailers and I guess its a miracle they have gone down the road pretty well (except for Bob's). How much does a nice new EZ Loader tandem cost now I wonder?
 
We have had the (DUCK)1999 c-dory cruiser 22 with a 410 lb suzuki 90 hp and a 950 lb single axcel trailer the boat ,trailer and engine weighed in at 3800lb so if we deduct the 1500lb for trailer ,engine,and batteries we get 2300lb for boat this was with 1/2 gas 18gallon tanks and no water . I think the newer 05 and onward c-22's have a rear fiberglass floor also most brats put on a windlass and have lots of stuff for boat camping cruising .i know some of the brats that have 5000lb c-22's

My cc-23 weighs in at 5000-5200lb with a f115Yamaha (400lb) and a 1200lb alum trailer The boat was supposed to be 2900-3000lb which sounds right if you add the 1200lb trailer and 400lb engine and 3000lb boat you get 4600lb then add fuel ,water ,batteries windlass etc etc etc .my cc-23 could climb a lot higher.We usually use our boat for day trips very few overnight so our weight is a little light we pull the cc=23 witha Toyota Sequia v-8 6800lb tow rating .
 
A few years back I purchased a custom made bunk tandem axle trailer with pure electric brakes for my Searay 268 Sundancer. Painted metal. Think the price was right around $6000. For someone that does a lot of trailering, the price was worth it. Colby
 
I had a 2007 22ft. with one of the first glass interiors. With a 90 e-tec and a galvanized tandem axle trailer and empty tanks it hit the scale at 4160 lbs. the tow vehicle then was a 2011 ford ranger 4x4 which I also weighted at the same time was also 4160 lbs. The combination worked well together but I did prefer my F 150 supercrew for longer towing.
G.W.
 
Sunbeam says:
but... I don't totally understand wanting the tow vehicle to be heavier than the load. I mean, in a way I do, because mass is good. But on the other hand something like a 1-ton dually diesel truck is a super capable towing machine, and I would think it would often be towing a load heavier than it is.
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Yes, often folks tow heavier loads than the truck. I had my first experience with this when I worked in the High Sierra, driving a tractor (with three driving axles) towing an 80,000 lb D8 cat mostly off road, and up and down some very steep grades. Of course that load drove very slowly.

I have driven some boats which weighed more than the truck--the TomCat being one. All is well as long as you are pulling, level, and no serious cross winds. Once the load is pushing, or swaying, you do notice the difference.

All too often people who own trucks totally ignore the manufacture's instructions, that over a certain load limit, that either a weight distribution hitch (preferably with anti sway bay), or a 5th wheel or similar hitch where the weight is over the rear truck axle is required over a certain weight!!

For example my Yukon has a sticker: weight carrying hitch up to 5,000 lbs, and tongue weight to 600 lbs. Up to 10,000 lbs, and 1000 lbs tongue weight requires a weight distribution hitch. I found that with my Ford Diesl Excursion (heavier than the Yukon), a weight distribution hitch improved the towing characteristics. Same with going to E/H brakes on the C Dory 22 trailer.

Although a lot depend on suspension, factory and after market anti sway/shocks, air bags, etc, the heavier the truck, the less sway, and "Tail wag the dog" there is. Just my observations from towing trailers for over 60 years.

We of the C Dory world often do overload our trailers, and the vehicles we are towing with. Not many accidents, probably because we are a group of fairly careful drivers. But I have seen some bad wrecks because of trailer instability.
 
Well I just spotted this thread and to weigh in [another bad pun] on this discussion I would say many manufacturers have no idea what their product weighs in the trim it used with.
Yes the boats are alot heavier than catalog weight .
Many manufacturers that supply trailers dont tow and undersize their trailers to make more or save money .And they hitch up [the last bad pun , I promise] to trailers mfgs ratings that are made as minimal as possible. Pick one. A good example is a certain trailerable Tug Mfg. They cheaped out on their trailers until there were failures and then just barely made them adequate . I saw that coming and we added 20-30% more capacity for our custom aluminum trailers.
The weight information that owners have is the best . Real life numbers .Real experience.
You can get a heavy single axle trailer [6k axle], or a tandem for a 22 C Dory. I prefer tandem as there are twice the brakes and the ability to drive on 3 if you need to for safety. Way easier tire changes as well .
As far as tow vehicles go, 5k is kinda light for the towing you describe . It could work with electric over hydraulic brakes , but will put some wear on the vehicle if doing the hills . On the flats , it would be ok but for extensive towing , If I had a choice I would want at least 6500.
Marc
 
While I tow my CD22 with a Highlander spec'd for 5000 lbs towing, I tend to agree with Marc. That being said, it can be done, but preventative maintenance and care in towing makes it work. I am aware of the extra stress put on my Highlander towing up against it's max towing weight. But I also change Transmission and axle fluids annually, and only tow at 55-60mph. I have simple all electric brakes on the trailer, and maintain those as well. Most of my towing around here is relatively flat. However, the last two years has also involved long distance towing over the Rockies and in higher temps (100+). If it weren't for gas guzzling (costs), or if I was towing all the time, I'd opt for a much larger vehicle. (Like the Ford Excursion that my Highlander replaced). But just as the C-Dory is some what of a very versatile boat, I have found the Highlander to be a very versatile vehicle. :-) I suspect some of us have maxed out the capabilities of our C-Dorys too. :-) Colby
 
While researching boats, one of the benefits cited for the C-Dory is the vast knowledge available on this site and the helpful and friendly people here willing to share their knowledge and experience with someone like myself. I really appreciate everyone taking their time to so carefully and thoroughly answer my questions.

I am pretty much stuck with my current tow vehicle I think, partly because I like it so much. At least I know that I need to keep heavy gear to a minimum and only carry what I really need. I also have some good information now regarding what to look for in the trailer I use to tow my boat, once I am fortunate enough to acquire one...

Most of my trips will be across fairly flat ground, the longest being a twelve hour trip to the Keys however. I do go to a lake on the NC/SC border that involves going over some fairly steep hills, but that trip is not a long one. Hopefully, I can keep everything light enough and have a good enough trailer to make it safely.

Thank all of you.
 
I used to tow my 22 with an Isuzu Trooper. It did the job OK but I did wind up adding air springs to help support the rear end. You might want to do the same to your highlander. On the trooper, I had them installed by a shop. A couple of years ago, I installed a set on my Tundra. It was pretty easy to do.
 
Roger, I actually looked into adding "air" lifts to the highlander. But no such critter exists, at least not within a relatively reasonable price. I do have some other "helper" bushings in the coil springs that help somewhat. Still "squats" more than I would like. Some have mentioned weight distribution hitches, but I'm of the old school that says they really aren't made for boat trailers! Anyway, for now the squat is livable. I just don't tow much/far at night, knowing that my headlights are going to be aimed high in those times. ;-) Colby
 
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