New method for folding trailer tongue.

thataway

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There is an old sailer's adage, " never start a voyage on a Friday"--which Marie reminded me of after the accident. We were very careful to follow this adage when cruising--never thought it would mean towing a C Dory!

We were bounding along some of Mississippi's I10, and I commented on the radio to Marie (I was towing the C dory behind the RV, and Marie was following with the Yukon.) about how the C Dory seemed to be bouncing a lot. She said her car was also. About 10 miles down the road some kind lady in a small pickup truck started waving at me. I couldn't hear what she was yelling about, but asked Marie if all looked OK--Yep, looks fine. I better pull over. I pulled onto the shoulder, and all looked OK, until I came to the trailer tongue!

It was bent at a 45 degree just in front of the winch post, the front jack stand was less than a half an inch off the ground, and as was the front of the trailer frame! Call to our USAA RV towing service--and within 5 minutes she had me on a conference call with "Make" at Marine Supply in Gulf Port MS. He said he could fix the trailer, or sell me another if I wanted. Now towing was a different story!

The flat bed arrived. A lot of drama, trying to pick up the trailer high enough to skid the tongue on the flat bed truck....with my holding a 4 x 4 on end, and his picking up the trailer, we were able to lift the foot of the jack and onto a piece of teflon. As he winched the boat trailer onto the truck--it became obvious that the tailer tires were wider apart than the bed of the truck, even after he pulled the side rails off.

Lots of "plan B's" failed. Finally he brought the "stinger" out, and put a ball hitch on it. I waived any resonsibility if the boat went flying, and I said I would follow closely, and if he heard 5 blasts of the air horn to stop! It was 11.5 miles on the roughest roads Gulf Port MS had to offer, and the trailer was dragging on the bumps.

There could fix the trailer, but we all agreed hat it would be far better to have a tandem axel trailer. So, for $2100 and I also bought 5 new tires, extra bearings etc. and ended up with a 7500 lb capacity trailer, which has slicks (means an extra strap and a chain forward), and looks like it was made for a C dory--and it is aluminum, plus the tongue is much shorter, and the winch post is inside of the "V" where the aluminum side channels come together. Mike and his crew worked for 4 hours, until 7PM getting us on the road again!

Photos of the folded trailer tongue later. There was no corrosion or sign of any damage. I guess the moral is --don't leave on a Friday, and watch out for MS roads! (I cannot say too many bad things because Ms. Marie is a born and bred Mississippi girl! )
 
Bob-

What a story!

Glad it worked out, and you're both OK.

Sounds like a nice new trailer.

Any other ideas about a cause?

First thing I thought about when you described it was a backing up jackknife scenario. Easy to do with a big motorhome, of course.

Have a great trip, Friday and all!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Geez, what a day! Glad it has all worked out in the end. That cyclical up/down on I-10 (or similar) always worries me - visions of the Tacoma bridge collapse in science class videos dance through my head.

Should be a pleasure towing the rest of the way with the new trailer - you deserve it after this day.

Sunbeam
 
Interesting, to say the least.

During our trips across country I have noticed constant thump-thump-thump of concrete Interstates in areas of Louisiana and Mississippi. Sounds like your problem was more than that!

We will (ALL) be interested to see the pictures.

I'm a little confused as to your final solution. Did you repair your existing trailer or buy a new one? I can't remember if you had a single or tandem axle to begin with. Then again, $2100 sort of sounds like you bought a 7500#, aluminum tandem axle replacement. (I haven't trailer-shopped in a long time, but $2100 sounds like a good deal.)

ON EDIT: I just reread, and sounds like you have a new trailer; good decision!

Anxious to hear more details.

Best,
Casey&Mary
 
Sunbeam":76hp8m5x said:
Geez, what a day! Glad it has all worked out in the end. That cyclical up/down on I-10 (or similar) always worries me - visions of the Tacoma bridge collapse in science class videos dance through my head.
Sunbeam
Now, that is a frightening image, for sure. Here is the video, a mix of color footage and grainy black and white. The exciting conclusion begins about 3 minutes in.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw

Bob's old trailer tongue should be redubbed Galloping Gertie!
 
AstoriaDave":14trqdae said:
Here is the video...

Thanks for posting the link. As you can imagine, we were studying oscillation, wave form, frequency, etc.

I didn't remember quite a bit of the intro - or perhaps never saw the whole thing (with the titles). So now you know what's running through my head when towing on the roads (such as I-10) with those endless "waves" (and then of course you see vehicles not towing that are just breezing along, not affected in the same way at all).

Heck of a way to go from single to tandem!

Sunbeam
 
I always find it interesting that the collective "we" really worry about the left to right sway that all trailers sometimes encounter. But for me, the bigger worry is the up and down oscillations that tear up everything from hitches, frames, and the trailer. I have broken mine a number of times here and there from it. Never have I heard of what happened to Bob - wow.....I really wish I could find a tandem trailer for 2100 bucks - that's good fortune! Glad you are back on the road.
 
T.R. Bauer":2m596b4k said:
II really wish I could find a tandem trailer for 2100 bucks - that's good fortune!

I read it as the "upgrade price" above what insurance or trade-in would have covered for the old single-axle trailer (but if there's a tandem for that price... wow). Guess we'll find out when Thataway gets a chance to check back in. Will be very interesting to see photos of the "folding" tongue.
 
The $2100 plus the broken trailer, was for a used trailer, which had some repairs done on it--It appears to be in fairly good condition--bearings are running cool, but I want to double check the grease (was told it just had the bearings re greased.)

I have nothing but good things to say about the USAA road service. Progressive adjuster in Panama City was a bit puzzled why he was assigned the case, since the trailer was in Gulfport MS. He did call me this am, and said it had been turned over to an adjuster in Gulfport, who would probably call me on Monday. I have not idea what Progressive's take will be on the old trailer. It will be what it is..and If they re-imburse me some, that is all to the good. There was not rust, or corrosion. As the tow truck raised the tongue up and down a few times the metal was breaking along the top and sides. I think the metal was thinner than what I saw in the repair 3 x 4" Galvanized square tubing at the trailer shop.. My trailer seemed to be about 1/8" thick--the replacement and what is on the new trailer is closer to 3/16 to 1/4" wall thickness The old tailer was a "Load Rite". The new one is a Sport Trail, which got some good reviews on The Hull Truth.

I towed it with the Yukon to the RV park last night, and since we were going to get the RV serviced at Speedco, I towed it about 100 miles on the freeway. The Yukon got 11.8 mpg along the 100 mile or so tow. The RV got about 7.5 mpg for the next 200 miles we ran today. There were a lot of up and downs, on the concrete sections of I 10., and the trailer rode well. Ot our 3rd stop, I noted that one of the side bunk boards was loose, and 2 lag bolts had vibrated out. I unbolted the side boards, and put them in the truck. This evening I found a Home Depot, and got some SS bolts, some epoxy filler which we used to put new 3/8 x 1.5" lag screws The epoxy will have set up by tomorrow, and we should have resolved that problem. One think I like about the guide ons is that the aft one is a a piece of 2" PVC pipe slipped over the square tubing which holds the side bunk boards in place. Other guide-ons have been just the PVC pipe, or over aluminum tubing which bent easily. These will roll, if the boat pushes against them. (we found this out, as the "new" trailer was pushed under the boat. Is it turns out, the max beam of the C Dory was had about 2" clearance from the bunk standoffs--the bunk boards are down further on the hull, where the beam is less, and there is about 3" on each side clearance. Hopefully tomorrow will bring some photos.
 
I can't help but ask, what kind of brakes on that new used trailer? :-) Glad it all turned out well in the end. Sometime I'll have to share my story with you about USAA Insurance. The short of it was, they not only refused to pay out on a claim, but reneged paying a engineer that they hired. In the end I took my business elsewhere and have no problem badmouthing them any chance I get! (The rest of the story involved a ceiling collapse in my home, and the engineer they finally agreed to hire provided them with a report indicating that some coverage should have been provided. They decided to accuse him of not doing the work, confusing his work with their own 3rd party adjuster that simply came out, measured outside square footage of the house and took a few pictures inside of the damage, which was hidden behind a tarp that I had placed to keep the cold December air and insulation out of the house...) Colby
 
It makes my hind-end pucker, thinking about what could have happened had that bent tongue busted loose! :shock: So glad to hear that you two are OK, and you were able to get a pretty quick resolution with the trailer.

Wishing you safe travels,
Jim
 
"Never start a voyage on a Friday" brings to mind another adage: Never have
surgery on a friday or just after a holiday.

I don't want to explain this one...

Aye.
 
I had to get to a place with good wi fi, and mail the photos on the i phone so I could post them.

Here is a side view of the rig:

photo_trailer_4.jpg

Front view:

photo.jpg

Detail of the tongue bend--note that at the top there is some metal broken. Good point, jim, if that had sheared, the safety chains would be of no value--I think I will run cables or chains from the frame, and attach to the hitch also on the new trailer:

photo_1.jpg

Finally the boat hoisted up to transfer the new trailer under after the old is pulled out. I would have used something more substantial than the two jack stands, but they were doing the job, and I had checked to be sure they had insurance before they did this!

trailer_photo_4_jpg.jpg

I'll grab a photo of the new trailer for comparison, and get it up sometime later this PM or in the AM--before we leave.

Colby, I am answering your question in a PM. As for USAA, I have always had excellent service--been a member since 1967, when I was on active duty in the Army. I had called USAA the day Ivan hit, and arranged for an adjuster to come to my home ASAP--got on the list early! He arrived within a couple of days, and cut me a check for $20,000 on the spot--there were some later adjustments, and I got that check in a week. Several RV robberies and again, cut checks on the spot--a hand gun was stolen, and within a week my local fire arms dealer had a replacement sent.

On the other hand, one of my neighbors who had been a JAG Navy Captain, had the same adjustor and got basically nothing on his house, but did collect full damage on the content. The house as a total loss, BUT, the Jag officer did not have flood insurance. The storm surge filled the house--vs a tree fell on it. So you never know.
 
I wonder if the trailer tongue was corroded on the inside. On a sailboat trailer I had a situation where there was no drain hole in the tongue and the inside was corroded. I caught it before failure. I went to scrape off some peeling paint and the putty knife went right through the side of the square tube.

Tony
 
Regarding USAA, glad you've been happy with them. I suspect it had a lot to do with timing with me also. They were going thru some heavy losses with several large hurricanes a season before.... It was over the Christmas holidays, and I think I was working with part time temporary help on the other end of the phone line...
Ouch on the boat. Looks like it came thru unscathed fortunately. Guess lesson learned for all of us here, not a bad idea to check the trailer frame closely as well when doing a "walk around". As I look into the best route to drive out to Arizona soon, I've heard I10 between OKC and Tucumcari is the pitts. Most the sites I've looked at stay stick with Hwy 54 from Wichita! I think a lot of our interstates are in dire need of repair. Wonder where all the road and gas taxes are going???
 
Really interesting to see it. The base of the winch stand on my trailer looks similar, except the "back leg" U-bolt attaches to the center beam behind where it has branched into 3 beams. So the flat part of the winch stand base is over the "root" of the branching part. Seems like that might spread the stress more. I wonder if a single axle "bounces" more in the case of this type of oscillation?

Scary how the chains would only have been attached to the little stump of frame, had it actually broken off.

Glad it was "all's well that ends well"!
 
I 10 runs from Jacksonville Fl to Los Angeles. There is one stretch, I 12, thru Louisiana which cuts off New Orleans. I 10 goes thru Orange, Houston, San Antonio and the to El Paso in Texas.. In New Mexico, La Crus, in Az it is Tuscon and Phoenix. I 40 goes between OKC and Tucumcari. We have occasionally taken this in the past, going up from Amarillo, TX, but do not at this point because of the altitude in NM and AZ and my heart disease. The route West from Pensacola to Los Angeles is only 4 miles different if we go thru Dallas, or Houston--Thru Dallas, we avoid that bad stretch along MS, and LA.

No visual inspection would have caught this failure, before it happened, unless one stopped right after the time of the ups and downs. For those who ask, there is absolutely no rust or corrosion on the inside of the tubing. It is hot dip galvanized inside of the tubing. I suspect that there was a resonance set up between the trailer and the road, with the dips, and it was of the right frequency to cause failure. The bow was visibly going up and down as I watched it in the TV monitor (the camera is mounted near the top of the RV, so it is higher than the cabin top.) I had tilted it down to observed the hitch earlier, just to be sure during this time and about 10 minutes before we pulled over. We had not stopped to do a second walk around which we normally do at 2 hours. I had stopped about half an hour into the trip, and were we broke down was a little over an hour and a half from home, so it was not time for the second walk around. I do have temp sensors and pressure monitors in the valve stems, and these were normal. (LCD read out of the RV 6 wheels and the trailer/toad 2 to 4 tires all on the same monitor. )

I suspect if the trailer had been hitting the ground Marie would have noticed it, since she was driving the Yukon about 100 feet behind the boat trailer. ( It only hit the ground late in the stage where the tow truck was pulling into the parking lot. ) She did not notice anything different, even when I called her on the radio just before I pulled over. I think it gradually collapsed, since I was watching the bow rail and cabin top about every 10 minutes in the monitor, it did not appear abnormal, but I had not tilted to look down on the hitch--again, not sure if it would have shown up when looking from directly down, except for normal flex. Now we have Marie pull along side the trailer every half an hour to double check the running gear, and I tilt the camera down there also.

So what do you do after 6 hours driving the RV across half of Texas? Have dinner in a Dance Hall built in 1929, then go for an hours drive along the back roads in the Hill Country of Texas. I suspect this farm road was one I took in 1957 driving from Calif. to Baylor Med in Houston in 1957-1961, before the freeway was complete thru all of this country.

Here is a photo of "Thisaway" on the new trailer:

New_trailer.jpg
 
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