Not one but two Marinauts for sale!!

IIRC from posts on this site, the Marinaut hull is designed to better accommodate the larger motors which all of us have now.
 
South of Heaven":1tsz4h8i said:
I can't believe that the guy actually wrote "better than a C Dory 22" in the ad title. Kinda juvenile....
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I know, I saw that line and didn't appreciate it either. Fact is, the Cape Cruiser (now the 23 Venture) back in 2006 was designed to improve the features on the CD-22 that some felt were lacking. The Marinaut took the same philosophy in designing their boat.

Despite all the "improvements", I still think the CD-22 has the nicest lines of any of the boats. Aesthically, the Marinaut doesn't come close to a CD-22. Better boats, meaning updated improvements, possibly? Better looking, no way. I still love our 22. My $.02.

Peter
 
"... the guy actually wrote "better than a C Dory 22" in the ad title."
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I saw that too, and admit, it sort of raise some hackle.

Better? Maybe in that buyers eye, but then why is he selling it. Many of our C-Dory owners have had their boats for much longer, so we probably aren't to unenthused about them. And often time a 22 gets sold only to move up toe 25.

The Marinaut was built with considerable input from the C-Brats, the Cape Cruiser was built by some Ex C-Dory factory guys that had some good ideas. The C-Dory is still the prettiest, most salty, and favorite boat on the water. (JMHO and I am not biased......very much :D

P.S. And it's easy to prove the M-boat is not better: It is not configured to be able to put twin Outboards on it. :!:

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Boats are a compromise and which one is "better" is nothing but subjective.

Ya gotta get a tougher skin if someone's ad says their boat is better than yours. :D
 
Huge difference is asking price. The Honda is preferable but not $27000 worth. Solis Ortus appears to be asking new price for a two-owner boat that is four years old.
 
I agree "better" is pretty subjective!

Those saddle tanks are a huge improvement though, getting all that weight off the transom. I think that would be hard to disagree with.

I also like the cutout for the birth allowing more heat up front for sleeping. That was always a problem on a cold night for us. The dinette bed would be blazing hot and the birth would be frigid.

Subjectively, I prefer the forward swept windows. That's just me. Also its kindof a rare boat which gives it a quality that I cant put my finger on.

I sure enjoyed climbing on them at Les's shop but never had the opportunity to ride in one. The 2013 for 52k doesn't seem that terrible of a deal to me.
 
Hi - I think that the third boat mentioned is actually the 2nd one I noted. The link to EQ does not show a listing or info. I have no skin in the Marinaut vs C-22 or 23 comparisons other than I cannot afford the difference in price. When Les was around he talked to me about an access design in the stern for those like my wife that cannot hike a gunnel. One of the reasons he liked the single motor idea with an swim platform on one side accessed from the cockpit and a possible kicker on the off side. I do have one vote, I much prefer the square vs the round window.
Bob Jarrard
 
The original Marinaut, with Dave, running some sea trials in Sequim Bay.

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I always have liked the forward raked windows, and actually thought these were not raked enough to eliminate the glare on the inside (the purpose of the rake in the first place.)

The round windows, look "nautical" but don't do much for visibility from inside, so I agree, square windows for me, (Unless it's on a 57 T-Bird.)

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From inside the original Marinaut.
Added the pix in case there some reading here who need some catch up.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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I think the real choice at these prices are whether you'd have one of these or a 25. Personally, I'd go big, but the Marinauts are super nice boats, and seem to have a lot of the benefits of the CD22.

The saddle tanks were pointed out as a benefit, but I seem to recall older 1980s CD22s having saddle tanks installed. I wonder why they transitioned away. There is a bit of wasted space in the cockpit flare, and I think some tightly fit saddle tanks could take up very little footprint, and live under the gunnel compartment. It might cause issues if one tank got fouled and you had to run completely off one side, creating more of a list as you go. But the current tanks sort of do that already.
 
hardee":2m7mfs1u said:
I always have liked the forward raked windows, and actually thought these were not raked enough to eliminate the glare on the inside (the purpose of the rake in the first place.)
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I have always loved the look of a forward raked windshield. They do eliminate glare and are invaluable for night cruising. Their design also claims to be more seaworthy. In heavy seas if you take large green over the pilothouse the weight of the water coming down on an aft raked windshield can result in it landing in your lap! :shock:

Six years ago going too fast in a following sea with the bow trimmed down too far I stuffed it - took green over the top and the thing that shocked me the most was the weight of it coming down on my head - so I can see how the weight of a larger wave could take out a windshield.

Regards, Rob
 
All of my work boats have forward raked windshields, but it's frustrating to me that none of our electronics are mounted up and forward in that vast space for such things. I love having my screens up and forward. They don't block your view and you can see them and access them easily.

Can't win 'em all!
 
"better then a c-dory 22" I saw that and I agree, always have. I was able to drive both the first 23Cc and the first Marinauts. I think both have better hull designs and run thru the chop better. I think that both plane faster and better then a 22. better fuel economy. Both boat are improvements over the cd22. that DOES NOT MAKE THE CD22 a bad boat.

As far as looks, windows and which way they slant or what shape they are?, that part is all objective. the heart wants what the heart wants. I see a lot of really bad colors and paint /carpet combos when I am showing homes and I will tell you what I tell my clients when they turn up their noise at other peoples choices. " No one picked that out because they hated it" For some one that was the dream house.

Same for boats. Some one loves it that way no matter how bad it looks. I mean they sell carvers dont they?
 
Kushtaka":3o2mbyq1 said:
All of my work boats have forward raked windshields, but it's frustrating to me that none of our electronics are mounted up and forward in that vast space for such things. I love having my screens up and forward. They don't block your view and you can see them and access them easily.

Can't win 'em all!
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That's another great reason for the forward raked windshields. My electronics are all mounted up above, well except for the MFD, so I can see their screens without looking down.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Kushtaka":7cc5n610 said:
I think the real choice at these prices are whether you'd have one of these or a 25. Personally, I'd go big, but the Marinauts are super nice boats, and seem to have a lot of the benefits of the CD22.

The saddle tanks were pointed out as a benefit, but I seem to recall older 1980s CD22s having saddle tanks installed. I wonder why they transitioned away.
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I'm not aware that the factory ever offered saddle tanks in any of the C-Dory 22' boats. I put saddle tanks in the '84 Classic/Angler we owned, but it was an owner installed upgrade. I put a 20 gallon tank under each gunnel and retained the 12 gallon under the motorwell tank for a 52 gallon total. It provided good range with a single 90 HP 2 stroke engine. We often fished 60+ miles offshore from Cabo San Lucas, Mexico. Yellowfin Tuna, Dorado and Striped Marlin. Good times in the early 2000's.
 
My understanding of the history is that Ben Toland (of the C-Dory Tolands) designed both the Cape Cruiser/Venture and the Marinaut.

The Cape cruiser was an improvement in hull design over the then approx 25 yr old C-Dory 22 design.

When the Reynolds won the lawsuit over the design of the Cape Cruiser, Ben decided that his next design would look different from the C-Dory/Cape Cruiser boats. So the Marinaut looks quite different, with forward leaning windshield, and a round window.

My understanding is that Ben learned from each boat and improved the next design. I have operated the Cape Cruiser 23 and it is definitely better in a seaway than my CD 22 was.
 
Having had a cd-22 and having the cc-23 venture as stated here the cc-23 has a much improved ride over the cd -22 .That is attained by about 800lb's plus a little sharper entry and a 7 degree deadrise vs. 3 degrees or so .
But the cd-22 has more storage in cabin area .Also it looks much better in IMHO . The reason we sold our cd-22 was I liked the fiberglass finish in the cabin and the bigger cockpit area .
I have never had the pleasure of driving a maurinet 21 but looking at photos it seems to have a deeper deadrise and entry then either the cc-23 or cd -22 .
I've always wondered why cd-22 or cc-23 didn't put a little more deadrise in the stern more like the old Pursuits .

Anyway if they can get 50-78k for these boats more power to them .It will make our boats that much more valuable
 
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