Outfitting a C-22 Cruiser for a long trip in the NWT/Canada
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Dear Chris,
Kalkaska is about 62 km from where I live. Hope you have a heated place to do your work. If you want an older 4.5 hp two stroke kicker I will loan you one. I will launch my boat in April if you are still about and want a ride. Send me a private email, maybe I can offer some other assistance or at least good wishes.
Mark
Kalkaska is about 62 km from where I live. Hope you have a heated place to do your work. If you want an older 4.5 hp two stroke kicker I will loan you one. I will launch my boat in April if you are still about and want a ride. Send me a private email, maybe I can offer some other assistance or at least good wishes.
Mark
Chris,
A couple of thoughts on the sat weather/sat phone. If you are considering XM's satellite delivery for weather, I don't think it will work that far north reliably if at all. You might specifically ask XM about coverage at the latitudes where you will be. On the sat phone side, Globalstar has had some significant satellite constellation problems that has cut service reliability in Alaska to where it is barely tolerable. Supposedly this will be fixed in the next couple of months, but if you intend to spend a fair amount of time above 60 degrees north, I would go with Iridium. It costs more to buy and own, but will work better that far north.
A couple of thoughts on the sat weather/sat phone. If you are considering XM's satellite delivery for weather, I don't think it will work that far north reliably if at all. You might specifically ask XM about coverage at the latitudes where you will be. On the sat phone side, Globalstar has had some significant satellite constellation problems that has cut service reliability in Alaska to where it is barely tolerable. Supposedly this will be fixed in the next couple of months, but if you intend to spend a fair amount of time above 60 degrees north, I would go with Iridium. It costs more to buy and own, but will work better that far north.
Chris and Tom
We purchased our Sat phone in 2002. Don't know if systems are the same now, but then Globalstar used satellites that were much lower in orbit and so had limited range to the far north. No time delay when talking on Globalstar as there is with Iriduim due to the low orbit. Unless there has been a change Iriduim is the only way to go if traveling above or in vicinity of arctic circle. Have XM, haven't been that far north with it yet.
No ideas on roof rack and sure hope I never need one. Like I said if I could make the Mokai work without roof rack I would do without the canvas back. The canvas back is nothing but a pain to us, but I know most people think differently.
Jay
We purchased our Sat phone in 2002. Don't know if systems are the same now, but then Globalstar used satellites that were much lower in orbit and so had limited range to the far north. No time delay when talking on Globalstar as there is with Iriduim due to the low orbit. Unless there has been a change Iriduim is the only way to go if traveling above or in vicinity of arctic circle. Have XM, haven't been that far north with it yet.
No ideas on roof rack and sure hope I never need one. Like I said if I could make the Mokai work without roof rack I would do without the canvas back. The canvas back is nothing but a pain to us, but I know most people think differently.
Jay
Jay and Chris,
Globalstar's limitations in the north are two fold. The maximum inclination of their satellite orbits is right at 60 degrees meaning in their orbits they are never over any part the earth above (or in the southern hemisphere below) 60 degrees latitude. Iridium on the otherhand has satellites in multiple inclinations including some polar orbits. The biggest difference is how they handle calls. All Iridium calls are relayed from satellite to satellite until they get to a single gateway earth station in the US. Globalstar uses multiple gateways and doesn't relay from satellite to satellite but from the phone to the satellite to a gateway. If the satellite can't access a gateway then the phone won't work. Last summer Globalstar turned up a gateway in Wasilla, AK, and that significantly improved service in the southern part of Alaska because the satellites phones could see also could see a gateway. Then a few satellites failed and Globalstar became unreliable in the parts of Alaska south of Fairbanks. In a perfect world Iridium costs twice as much as Globalstar and has virtually worldwide coverage and GlobalStar only covers most continents (Antarctic is left out for sure) and near shore areas but cost half as much.
On the sat radio area, you might consider Sirius rather than XM. I am reasonably sure it works in Haines Junction and points south (my son's experience) however they don't offer any marine weather services. Sirius also uses a different approach than XM. XM uses geostationary satellites so in the far north the elevation angle is pretty low (11 degrees in Anchorage). Sirius uses 3 satellites in an elliptical orbit that results in the lowest elevation angle in Anchorage of 56 degrees. They have a really nice graphic that shows their satellite ground traces at this URL: (http://home.comcast.net/~mjlb/images/gl ... iusbig.gif)
Globalstar's limitations in the north are two fold. The maximum inclination of their satellite orbits is right at 60 degrees meaning in their orbits they are never over any part the earth above (or in the southern hemisphere below) 60 degrees latitude. Iridium on the otherhand has satellites in multiple inclinations including some polar orbits. The biggest difference is how they handle calls. All Iridium calls are relayed from satellite to satellite until they get to a single gateway earth station in the US. Globalstar uses multiple gateways and doesn't relay from satellite to satellite but from the phone to the satellite to a gateway. If the satellite can't access a gateway then the phone won't work. Last summer Globalstar turned up a gateway in Wasilla, AK, and that significantly improved service in the southern part of Alaska because the satellites phones could see also could see a gateway. Then a few satellites failed and Globalstar became unreliable in the parts of Alaska south of Fairbanks. In a perfect world Iridium costs twice as much as Globalstar and has virtually worldwide coverage and GlobalStar only covers most continents (Antarctic is left out for sure) and near shore areas but cost half as much.
On the sat radio area, you might consider Sirius rather than XM. I am reasonably sure it works in Haines Junction and points south (my son's experience) however they don't offer any marine weather services. Sirius also uses a different approach than XM. XM uses geostationary satellites so in the far north the elevation angle is pretty low (11 degrees in Anchorage). Sirius uses 3 satellites in an elliptical orbit that results in the lowest elevation angle in Anchorage of 56 degrees. They have a really nice graphic that shows their satellite ground traces at this URL: (http://home.comcast.net/~mjlb/images/gl ... iusbig.gif)
Here's a link from Raymarine's site regarding the Sirius radio weather set up...
http://www.raymarine.com/raymarine/Prod ... ct_id=3455
http://www.raymarine.com/raymarine/Prod ... ct_id=3455
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@Not For Hire, tpbrady, Hunkydory, JamesTXSD
As for weather, we will use a VHF weather sat receiver.
With the system we can receive the NOAA weather satellites LIFE.
http://store.xaxero.com/cubecart/index. ... roductId=8
We also have a weatherstation on board.
http://www.vaisala.com/businessareas/in ... lti-sensor
So no need for Sirius or XM.
I have a lot experience with interpreting weather sat pictures (I served in the German Navy on SSS Gorch Fock, D-185 LÜTJENS )
http://www.gorchfock.de/gofo/FMPro?-DB= ... 3008&-find
http://www.marine.de/02DB070000000001/C ... G010INFODE
The camper back is very important for us because of all the bugs in the NWT.
For 6-7 month in a little boat like the c-22, i think any spare room will be nice ( bug -proof ! )
We have 2 Iridium phones, one with an extra outside antenna.
I had globalstar on the yukon river and it was useless above circle and near the bering sea :crook
Hey Mark, would be fun to meet (I like your Anti-poop barrier board) :thup
Thank all for the help
Regards Chris
@Not For Hire, tpbrady, Hunkydory, JamesTXSD
As for weather, we will use a VHF weather sat receiver.
With the system we can receive the NOAA weather satellites LIFE.
http://store.xaxero.com/cubecart/index. ... roductId=8
We also have a weatherstation on board.
http://www.vaisala.com/businessareas/in ... lti-sensor
So no need for Sirius or XM.
I have a lot experience with interpreting weather sat pictures (I served in the German Navy on SSS Gorch Fock, D-185 LÜTJENS )
http://www.gorchfock.de/gofo/FMPro?-DB= ... 3008&-find
http://www.marine.de/02DB070000000001/C ... G010INFODE
The camper back is very important for us because of all the bugs in the NWT.
For 6-7 month in a little boat like the c-22, i think any spare room will be nice ( bug -proof ! )
We have 2 Iridium phones, one with an extra outside antenna.
I had globalstar on the yukon river and it was useless above circle and near the bering sea :crook
Hey Mark, would be fun to meet (I like your Anti-poop barrier board) :thup
Thank all for the help
Regards Chris
