Pain free insulation solution

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Since the doctors won't let me have sharp objects most of the time, I've been looking for a different approach to providing some insulation and noise dampening to the cabin other than cutting and fitting hull linner. I happened upon this outfit that produces a insulating paint for marine applications, looks like a winner. A factory Rep is going to come by the school next week with some samples, I let ya'll know how it goes. http://www.mascoat.com/Marine.htm
try this link- http://www.mascoat.com/marine.php?PHPSE ... 454b1625c3
 
Ken- Great idea! :idea What a labor saver and a more permanent solution ! :thup Not that anyone around here ever looks for an easy way out so they could finally get out of the boat and actually go fishing or cruising!!! :smiled

But I know your real plan :wink: : This stuff requires a real masking job and afterward a real clean up, so we all know what your students will be doing for a semester project this Spring! :disgust

Pity the one that draws the short straw and has to go inside and do the spraying! :shock: At least when he comes out he's be all insulated up for the hot summer you guys are going to inherit from Southern California! :teeth

This sounds like a great factory option that could be applied efficiently before the interior is painted with Zolatone. Once you get it done (if you do), you ought to post some photos here and be sure the factory is aware of it.

In fact, you ought to let the company demonstrate applying the product on your boat at the factory for all to see! (Wishful Thinking???)

Keep us posted..........Joe
 
Ken - testing on a single boat may not be sufficient so make sure the school buys enough so Cheers can participate in the test program, too.
 
Well Mongo is impressed... to-be-sure!! :teeth (and so am I :) ) One reason I went the way of Marine Carpet was a weight issue. I'd do it! :!: then in most places, I'd go over it with the same (carpet or wood) aesthetics are just as important as the insulation itself... then again (and again :lol: ) : exactly how butt-fleabag-ugly is the stuff!! (:shock:) (:?: )

Ken, where in tarnation did you stumble across this stuff ... :disgust
 
You guys, where's your ethics....ya gots me thinking now, a little extra credit project in industrial coatings :) naw. As it turns out, the Rep's folks live just up the hill from the school and he was just happening to be in town to visit them.
I'm curious to have a look see at the stuff, I don't imagine it would look much different than the glass on there now. I aim to slather some under the V-berth cushion and the lower half of the cabin and see how it works before I'd get to nuts with it, I'll keep ya's posted.

I found the stuff just searching on the net, I was thinking somebody out there must make a paint that is thicker and has some insulating qualities..bingo

It's hard to beat a good carpet job for that quality motor yacht finish but we get to much salmon muck flying around in the cabin. It wouldn't take us long to have it looking pretty ratty
 
Ken,

Looks to me like you need to spray that stuff on. Will any type equipment work or do you need something special that will work on a high viscosity material.

Tim
 
they also say that the product is readilly applied with a brush or roller :) I gots compressors and spray equipment to loan on a limited basis if we should end up having a painting party someday
 
Very interesting..... Man, I think I would have loved to have tried this in the "cathedral" of my 16' open back cruiser.... I loved that boat, but at around the 3K+ rpm range, even that 50 hp Honda 4 stroke got a bit loud... simply due to the "backscreen" or "cathedral" of the covered area. Keep us posted. How much insulation factor per coat?? Might be good to 1st coat the interior of some work coolers prior to adding the bulk insulation... to further protect the wood... like a fishbox on the back of a charter boat...? Wonder how slick it is when wet? Cost per gallon? This stuff looks like it has a some potential..
 
I don't know how long this stuffs been on the market... but now me thinks; all the aluminum boat manufacturers are going to be upping the ante Big TIme with this. Think about it... :xseek
 
I read it pretty quick Ken, but it looked as if 'Glass Boats need to be primed first?
I'm very interested in this stuff for any boat...

If ya think of it, ask if they are up here... :!: (AK)
 
OK, here's the skinney. The stuff loves to stick on fiberglass with no need for priming. It doesn't look bad, it's just kind of a bland, off white surface that wouldn't be any more slicker than most other surfaces. It can be brushed or rolled but the Rep strongly suggested spraying as it is much easier and does a better job of covering. Overspray is will not be near the problem as is with paints because the stuff is thicker and bonded to itself. Two coats would be about a 40 mil thick and have about a R11 insulation value...or..equal to about a two inch thick chunk of insulation. It was recomended, for cleaning ease, to paint over the top (or carpet) of the product.

He also left me some of this stuff to try http://www.mascoat.com/dB.htm

Me thinks a coat of the db stuff on the floor and up a bit on the side of the hull and the rest of the motoryacht gets the insulation treatment.

I have a quart of the db and a couple of quarts of the insulation, expermentation and pictures to follow.

He was verrrry receptive to giving us a price break. If interested, PM me
 
Awesome! I'm ready to rip-out my lower portions of carpeting if the stuff really does cut sound!! If it bonds well, it ain't gonna trap moisture under it either :thup

Always in search of better sleep (on my noisy C-Dory---LOL :lol: ) Greg :wink:
 
he had a teflon coated griddle with half of it coated ~ 1/8 thick with the stuff, it was stuck on there pretty durn good. When the griddle was plugged in and cranked up to 500 degrees the stuff started to come unstuck from the griddle, you could lay your hand on the stuff and it was just warm. When it cooled it stuck and became one with the griddle.

There where some tests done to a fancy research ship that Nichols Marine built out of 1/4 aluminum and it cut the noise by 15 decibels....did I mention that the stuff is UPSable

I'm jazzed, I hope i don't get the boat so quiet and comfy that I risk falling asleep at the wheel :)
 
Ken --
We sure appreciate your doing the research on this db and thermal insulation material. Keep us posted when you apply to your boat and what you think of the stuff. Looks good.
 
Wellll, I know I should be fishing but. I got tired of playing with my little chunk of test glass and went to slathering in the boat today.

Sound deadener or DeltaTdb - This stuff has about the same consistency and looks as aluminum roof sealer. For some reason I chickened out on trying to spray the stuff so I brushed on two thin layers in strategic locations. I did under the galley, back in the ice box hole and under the port, front seat. The stuff brushed on with no fuss or muss, it dried quick into a ugly black, hard surface. When/if I go for the total boat job I'll give spraying a try up in the rode locker.

Insulation - Once the db dried, I sprayed a coat of the insulation over the top. In spite of the manufactures info, this stuff doesn't brush on for beans, BUT, using a sandblasting gun with about a 3/16 orifice, the stuff sprays out in a real controllable, nice manner. The stuff comes out of the gun in about a two inch pattern with about no overspray, ya can really put the stuff where you want it. I had some second thoughts about spraying stuff around in the boat, but not now, if this stuff proves out I'm covering everything.

The boss stuck her nose in the boat when I was about done and wondered what was up, I told her to look under the sink....she didn't notice anything different..BINGO..that was was I was after, a quieter, warmer boat with no big visual impact. A person should paint or carpet over the insulation after it dries, I'm going to try some Krylon Plastic paint.
Later
 
Nice! I am definately interested.
Let me know what you expect the overall cost to be. Mine may be slightly less as I have an Angler with less cabin space.
I would also be interested in a group purchase and equipment rental/loan program.

What would it take to form an extra credit line? :lol:
 
Hey Ray, let me get done trashing my boat and I'll have a better idea how much goo it takes. If the stuff works out good then I'll post the salesguy's e-mail address and he'll sell it to ya at the special low C-Dory owners group price (which aint much more than a gallon of good house paint). I'm not to keen on loaning out my equipment however, if a group of C-Nuts wanted to get together for a sprayer meeting, I'd be game
 
Ken, I think I'd rather have you on the handle end anyway. How many half racks of Northern brew would that run me? :roll: :lol: :mrgreen: :beer :beer :cocktail :teeth
 
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